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Ace 250 Ding Bong Ding Bong

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jasper12

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For those of you that have used one, Is it suppose to Ding and Bong on every Frigin thing.I've been hunting mostly tot lots,"No Problem" but I'm venturing out to some older home sights.I'm hunting in coin mode only with 5 or 6 bars on sensitivity and it Dings & Bongs on just about every piece of metal at least once or twice on everything before it decides to classify it as iron or pull tabs.It just seems to make hunting a lot real slow when you have to stop over every single target to try and ID it.Maybe I just stayed out to long today.DING BONG DING BONG DING BONG GONG GONG GONG .Yes. 6 hours was to long for me.:ranting:
 
or back off on the sens. First, I'd try backing off on the sens. I agree that the "bong,Ding,bong" is annoying but look at it this way, A slot machine makes the same noise!
 
Yeah-for crying out loud-I was air testing a dime at almost 10" with the sens. set at 6! My rule of thumb is #4 is the maximum starting point on sens. and the higher the sens. the SLOWER the sweep, the lower the sens. the Faster the sweep. The Ace ALSO wants to overact if the coil is too close to the ground or target-I just got the BONG! on a chain an hour ago that it hardly gave a sound to when the coil was lifted 1". Garretts have always been like that as long as I can remember-even the instruction manuals say keep the coil a couple of inches above the ground. Myself, I just let it brush the top of the grass. Now R-n-R has the right idea, though. Although I don't have one yet, John-Edmonton and Bill and others say the small sniper coil is an answered prayer to the Ace. And they also say the depth is outstanding for such a small coil. THEN, you can run the sens. to your heart's content. Myself, I would like to see them come out with a 5.75" coil-then I could have better coverage AND performance.:thumbup:
 
Thank you Slingshot and R-n-R.Sorry bout my post up there.I got really frustrated today.Good sound advice you guys.Tommorrow is another day.
 
Not really getting the question. If it dings or bongs, it is ID'ing the object with every
ding or bong you hear. It's instant. Now, if the area is full of targets, sure, it's going
to take a bit longer to weed through them if the targets are all close together.
It does not take repeat hits to ID a stable target. But not all targets are stable
as far as conductivity. IE: rusty nails are a prime example.
The rust is more conductive than the iron of the nail, and often the ID will
bounce around as it's seeing both low and high conductivity on the same
target.
But most all coins are stable, and will not bounce around. They should also
ID correctly the first ding.. Any further dinging will be just to confirm what the
first ding read. I almost always double check the ID just to make sure what I think
it might be.
If the area is busy, it's going to be normal to have to ID them each as you go if
you are using a coil large enough to cover more than one target at a time.
You can also verify the ID when pinpointing. That's handy to tell you if the target
you are fixing to dig is the one you are going for.
IE: say you have two nails a few inches apart, with a coin in between them.
With a big coil, you are likely to ding all of them in quick succession with a
normal "search" swing in ID mode.
In a case like that, I'll pinpoint the one I think is the coin, and when I have it
pinpointed, I'll release the PP button, and go into ID mode, and then give the
coil a slight "twitch". It will then ID the exact coin you have been pinpointing, even
if others are close by in most cases.
As some have mentioned, in busy areas you might want to consider getting a
sniper coil. It will make going through busy areas much quicker as it usually
only sees one target at a time, unless they are super close together.
Pull tabs should never ID as iron. That means some iron must be close by.
Pull tabs will usually ID around the nickel/pull tab area, but will vary with the
size of them. Some larger ones can ID as coins if they are big enough.
Bottle caps can ID funky too sometimes if they start getting rusty. Kind of like
the nails.
 
NM5K, you're correct=It just happens that the Ace gets "hyper" as the sens. goes up. I've had pulltabs at the higher sensitivity(5-7) give the "bong" sound, but return to the regular "boop" when the coil was slowed down or lifted higher. The best way I know to explain it is comparing it to other detectors. With a "high tone" detector, the miscue may sound something like "breeeep"-which most people recognize as a possible false signal and it's not annoying to the ear. But the Ace's "high" tone is represented by a BONG and when it mixes with a false signal it's quite unneerving when the sensitivity is high. Your examples are better than mine, and when I'm in a place where old coins could be, I live with it by slowing the coil down and lifting it when checking signals. Tot lots and schools, I just stick around 3-4. Would love to find a likely place to up my sensitivity just to see what it would find. I was out w/mine about a month ago and ran across another guy with one in a tot lot. He had dug a hole about a foot deep and still hadn't located the target.
 
Set your sensitivity at four and leave it there. Make sure your cable is snug and not flopping around over the top of the coil. Keep the coil at least an inch off the ground and slow down.

Bill
 
Uncle Willy said:
Set your sensitivity at four and leave it there. Make sure your cable is snug and not flopping around over the top of the coil. Keep the coil at least an inch off the ground and slow down.

Bill
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How many times you reckon you've said that?:rofl:
 
OH MY GOD I USED MY NEW USED ACE 25O TODAY AND I GOT THE SAME THING IT KICKED MY ACE ,LOL, THIS LITTLE SO CALLED KIDS MACHINE IS WAY WILD SET THE SINCITIVITY FULL ALL METAL BONG BING DONG .....HARD TO PIN POINT ...SO I SET IT TO LOWER SEN AND COIN OMG WOW DONG BING BONG TARGETS EVERYWHERE TRY TO PIN POINT NOOOOOOO WAY LOSTTTTTTT ,,,HELPPPPPPPPPP
 
WELL I WAS PUSHING DRIVEING THE COIL HARD INTO THE GROND FOR DEPTH AND SWINGING MEDIUM ,,NOT SLOOOOOWWWW I DID DIG A TARGET 6 INCHES FLAT PEICE OF COPPER ..DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK ? SHOULD I SMASH IT OR GIVE IT TO MY DAUGHTER ? OR LET HER SMASH IT LOLOLOLLOLOL:clapping:
 
I've never really noticed the ID of an object changing much with more sensitivity,
but of course you can get more falsing on some grounds.
I was assuming being he didn't have it cranked too high, most were real signals
instead of falsing.
I always run mine pretty hot, but I have pretty mild soil, and I'm used to running it
that way.
I can tell the false signals from the actual targets. The real targets repeat, but
the false chatter won't. I would think it could be possible to get different ID's
if the coil comes from different angles to the tab, or varying the height.
IE: if it was kind of on it's side, and looked thin from one angle, but pretty
wide from the other.
I've had 2-3 targets that I never could find. And you could pinpoint them just as sure
as the world.. Dig, dig, dig, and not find it. And it would still pinpoint in the
same place after digging. Had one in the backyard like that one time.
Kept IDing as a quarter.. Never could find it. Being it pinpointed, I know
something metallic was there. But it might have been a clump of dirty rust or sumtin..
Hard to say.. But that doesn't happen too often. Most times, if I can pinpoint it,
it comes up.. :bouncy:
My soil up at my place in OK is real mild overall. I can run most all of my coils
nearly full blast with little falsing at all. Even the 9x12.. It varies here in Houston.
Some is good, some I have to back it down a hair. Seems to also depend how
much moisture is in the ground too. I always run it as hot as I can according to
the ground. You will know if you need to back it down.. The chatter will start to
get to be too much. :angry: I try to keep it right on the edge of wanting to chatter
if I want max depth.
Unlike many, I start nearly full blast, and go backwards if needed.. Up in OK, I can
usually run it at 7-8. I can usually run the sniper that hot almost anywhere.
Just depends on the ground, how hot the electrical field is in the area, etc..
Sometimes being near power lines, etc can cause chatter if you run too hot.
That may be one reason why I can run so hot up there. I'm out in the sticks away from
power lines, houses, etc.. And the ground seems pretty good.
Running hot is not for everyone.. I don't recommend it to beginners as it can be
frustrating if you can't tell the real signals from chatter. That takes a little practice
training the ear for it. But it can give you a bit more depth once you get the hang of it.
Course, not all places need max depth.. IE: tot lots, etc.. No real need unless you know
some are really sinking deep for some reason. But if I'm out hunting old property
for relics, old coins, I run as hot as I can stand it. I've seen plenty of deep targets
that would show up at 7-8, that would not make a peep with it set at 3-4-5..
It does make a difference when going deep.
 
Like I say, I don't recommend running hot at first.. Crank it down.
BTW, the sensitivity has no effect on the pinpoint mode. Only the ID
mode. The only way to change the sensitivity of the pinpoint mode is to detune.
There are some areas where you just can't run hot.. Even I wouldn't want to do it. lol..
:surrender:
Let your ears tell you where to set it.
 
The other day when I found my large cent I had the sensitivity on mine at 4, I was pulling things out at 6or7 inches, including the coin. And there is a LOT of junk from the last 200+ years in this yard. Yes if I set it at 8 forget it, it went nuts. But you have to learn this machine. I used to think "crank it up to max" I will find everything, NOT the case. It still finds everything it would at a 3-4 sensitivity setting. I don't bother with pinpoint, I do the "X" pinpoint and find my target EVERY time. Practice is key with this and any detector... Heck the other day was the second hunt in my career in the hobby.
 
I CAN tell you what I've found out here in East Texas. My brother built a T-handle out of a car antenna, and left a round weld blob on the end(looks like a BB) so the rod could be pushed into the ground easier. He had found out about trash pits and explained that whenever you found an object the vibrations of the object could be picked up by scraping against the blobbed end of the rod and transmitted to the hollow tee handle and you could sort of "hear" what the object could be. Things like glass,tin, hollow, and solid sounds could be easily distinquished. Well, I took this thing out one day with the Ace and wanted to find out if this thing was just beeping or what. On almost all my schools, there are about a foot down solid pieces of iron and my only guess is that they are castaways from the building process. In fact, I almost have these places memorized, as some of them are closer to the surface and ID as quarters. And at the city park where they installed bark chips recently, apparently the new slides, swings, etc. had ID tags with numbers made of aluminum and are about 6" long. I found one of those and just didn't have the heart to tell the guy who had dug down a foot looking for his target. He, like most people, kept the Ace as high as he could stand. That thing just doesn't beep for nothing! And that's why one of my favorite tricks is lifting the coil -not only to pinpoint easier, but also to let the charasteristics of the Ace work better. And don't fret. Next month there'll be other posts wanting to know "what's wrong with my Ace?"
 
I'd like to thank each and everyone of you for sharing you're Knowledge about the ace.I believe I've learned more from this thread on the ace than researching it the last 6 months.I'll go back to some of these older home sights this weekend and apply some new found Information and knowledge,again Thanks Guys
Pat
 
I dug one of those quarter signals once that pinpointed good and i couldn't find. I kept digging and about 18 inches deep I found a crushed can. Never turned my sensitivity up all the way again. This was freshwater river sand.

blacktoe
 
After all that, get some adjustable headphones and turn the volume down to your comfort level.
 
Another way to determine a big target like that is to raise your coil up about a foot. If you're still getting a signal you can bet it ain't a coin.

Bill
 
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