All metal swing

[crazyman]

Julien, what coils are you using at these sites? Is the main nulling problem mostly from the iron targets or the ground? There's not much you can do about the iron nulls but if it's really bad ground that's causing the nulling auto sens. might work better. I've tested this over and over and you will get better depth and target response in auto than you will trying to break through a ground null in manual. Trying to pick up good targets in a constant null from ground and iron at the same time is hard. The first thing I do at these type of sites is turn iron mask off as my first approach to handle the mineralization. There are some really bad sites where I have had to use iron mask off and auto sens. but most of the time turning iron mask off is sufficient. I don't worry about not finding good targets in iron when turning iron mask off. In this case the BBS Technology still enables the detector to separate ferrous and non ferrous in most situations and with the narrow field of detection with the DD coils I seem to pull more good targets with iron mask off at these sites.

 

[jbow]

I have the 10" Tornado and the 8" coinsearch. We have lots of iron ore in the ground here. In the 19th century there were mines and blast furnaces all over the county. Iron bearing red clay and then of course most good sites are infested with square nails,cut square nails, canslaw, and an assortment of other trash... I used to use AUTO a lot but everyone kept saying how it wasn't as good as manual sens but it is really hard for me to keep any kind of threshold tone in any manual setting above 3:00... usually when I check a target that I find in manual sens, I can still hear it in AUTO sens... so maybe I should use auto more especially if keeping a threshold is so important.

J

 

[adam in cal]

At some site auto is the only thing that has any stability to it. I always run band 2 but have been forced to switch to band one and auto at certian sites.......Rock on, the S-5 Coil is kickin butt.......peace

 

[adam in cal]

Yea silent search is a waste of a knob....the reason the Elite is so much superior to the Gt is beause the elite doesnt have the waste of a knob.and a switch......(Pinpoint Mode is worthless)...........too bad they reversed the switches otherwise the elite woulda woulda been better then the sov XS.......


<<<<<<<<<SOV ELITE AND SOV XS <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

[jbow]

I wondered if you still had that coil. I wish I could get an SEF 8x6 for the SovGT. I mostly still use the 10" Tornado but I have an 8"Coinsearch, I should probably try it more.

I've found a LOT of stuff in AUTO.

J

 

[jbow]

David Keith @ Dixie who is aLOG time Sov user likes to use SS, but he also hunts in AM mode in the woods. He does well, can't argue with results. I think what really made him was whn he found a cache of CS buckles some years back... IIRC.

I'll have to ask him one day why he uses SS, get his reasoning on it.

J

 

[midalake]

I have lots of experience with the sov series detectors in all metal. Every year when I go to Mexico all I hunt in is all metal. You can have a fast sweep speed and not miss a thing, also machine recovery time is fast and many times I can get double rings on a sweep with close targets. I have never reversed many of my targets back to Disc. But with the depth I get I highly doubt that Disc mode would ever do better. I do know for sure that with how deep some of these targets are even to try to get a "ring-up" in Disc would be not possible. Hope this helps.


Dave

 

[Critterhunter]

I wondered if you still had that coil. I wish I could get an SEF 8x6 for the SovGT. I mostly still use the 10" Tornado but I have an 8"Coinsearch, I should probably try it more.

I've found a LOT of stuff in AUTO.

J

I've also found coins in Auto that somehow I've missed with prior machines at spots I've gridded the death out of before. I think that in certain grounds constant hot/cold mineral changes can make a static manual setting a bad thing, either being too high or too low as you move. That's why I think Auto can smooth out the threshold while still getting (in some cases) the same depth as your highest manual setting you can use at a site. In that way I think it acts much like automatic ground tracking, only it's adjusting sensitivity to keep the machine from overloading on the ground minerals/hot rocks as it goes from one extreme to the other.

There was a 4.5x7 Detech coil being made for a short while about a year ago over in the UK for the Sovereign. I remember some guy on here saying he bought the last one of them. Not sure if those are called SEF coils but by the size of it I bet it uses the same coil design? Then there is the 5x10 Joey or the 8.5x11.5 Platypuss. You don't hear much talk about those two coils, and I don't think I've ever heard anybody give a performance report of the 4.5x7. That coil was probably made in such quantities that it's very rare, and I bet if you could get your hands on one it would be worth twice it's price used than it ever sold for new.

 

[element]

a null then a low grunt is iron, a null then threshold returning at the same pitch or lower/higher is worth investigating..

also something to note is the newer sovs GT , maybe the elite aswell the pitch hold will climb and stay there, on the older sovs it can climb and fall..


edit.. didnt realise this topic had gone onto another page. this response was to the last post on the previous page..

 

[jbow]

I just went out in my backyard for a few minutes to a small garden. I have two minnies, one at 11" and one at 7", a quarter, dime, nickel, zinc, and bronze penny all at 7"... bad ground. The 11" minnnie is invisable to everything except the SovereignGT and it is only a very iffy peep to it with a occasional peek at 173. The 7" minnie consistantly reads a higher VDI on every machine... even the Sov but not as much higher on the GT, it reads 176 on the GT instead of 173.

So, I went back there with the GT and turned IM off. I was able to keep a threshold with a higher sens but the highest sens/threshold stable did not give the best signal. The best signal was with the sens maybe one digit (referencing a clock) lower than where I could run it and keep a stable threshold. Between 1:00 and 2:00 I was able to check the null over the 11" minnie and get it to climb to 173. the 7" minnie was llud and clear but the VDI was erratic until I lifted the coil about 3" off the ground, then the VDI became more stable, I had good audio either way. The quarter was loud, clear, and with a correct VDI no matter what, the dime was a bit iffy but I could get a good audio but iffy VDI. The nickel was reading low on the VDI and also iswan't stable it ranged between 110 and 120. The zinc and the bronze were both there and would stop me as I was swinging but were not really easy to ID, the bronze had a better VDI. Of course they all hit good in AM and they pinpointed well.

So... IM off worked very well. Thank you...

One note... when I switched to AUTO... I lost the 7" minnie completely. I also lost it if I lowered the sens to minimum I lost the 7" minne then too.

Thanks!

Julien

 

[crazyman]

It's the same in my ground. With iron mask off I can run my sensitivity higher to 1:00 with no ground nulling but the best response on most targets is also about one digit lower around 2:00. Let me know if your still hitting those cut nails with a 180 on the meter with mask off.

 

[jbow]

I will!

J

 

[ToniSteve]

Great information Crazyman and Julien. Keep us posted!

Thanks a million,
Steve

 

[crazyman]

About you coming over?