All these testers

[Donna(NJ]

Eh,i turn the power on and off i go with the Sov,no fiddling just switch on and go.
As for getting tangled up in headphone wires,ive never once been tangled up in headphone wires in over 40 years of detecting,how long were yours......30 feet?
As for fiddling with settings,its the new technology that has bought that about with hundreds of programs and settings for this,that and the other......most don't even know how these settings affect in ground performance,its mostly hit and hope.
PS,i do have a modern detector too,an xterra pro that i do enjoy using but thats setcup to be switch on and go too.....no need to fidfle with anything.

No 30 foot wire !!!! When you should mount the control box and its moving back and forth, the cables always get in the way.
Im a beach hunter and the sovereign box wasnt water-proof. Had to keep the box up high and many coil wires werent long enough.
Walking near the ocean was always a challenge trying not to get hit buy a wave. The wires were always in the way.

Im very thankful for wireless headphones and coils !!!

HH
Donna(NJ

 

[Odanscoils]

No 30 foot wire !!!! When you should mount the control box and its moving back and forth, the cables always get in the way.
Im a beach hunter and the sovereign box wasnt water-proof. Had to keep the box up high and many coil wires werent long enough.
Walking near the ocean was always a challenge trying not to get hit buy a wave. The wires were always in the way.

Im very thankful for wireless headphones and coils !!!

HH
Donna(NJ

I bagged my box.
Only one wire from the coil to the box.
Just swing the shaft and coil.

Headphones from the box to my head never bothered me.

My only issue was the box in the bag would get in my way digging.
Had a deep hole I set the bag down next to.
I've all but given up on the Sov for overall weight.
Keep it for special hunts.

The Legend and Manticore have replaced it as a primary machine.

 

[Daniel Tn]

A good chunk of the "testers" are nothing more than pretentious pseudo-intellectuals. They like to hear themselves talk. If they spent as much time researching sites and getting new permissions, as they do trying to make themselves sound intelligent and important...they could have a lot more respect with other hunters and fuller display cases of goodies.

 

[bigtim1973]

The biggest problems I have with the testers on YouTube is the so called 3D iron test. Like, how in the world is this even a concept?.....we live in a multi dimensional world and detect stuff in the ground which is also multi dimensional.....so how does a coin above or below a nail become 3 dimensions when you place a coin near a nail on the ground? It just doesn't make sense at all to me.

This to me should be a test in which you show why you would grid an area.

 

[Odanscoils]

The biggest problems I have with the testers on YouTube is the so called 3D iron test. Like, how in the world is this even a concept?.....we live in a multi dimensional world and detect stuff in the ground which is also multi dimensional.....so how does a coin above or below a nail become 3 dimensions when you place a coin near a nail on the ground? It just doesn't make sense at all to me.

This to me should be a test in which you show why you would grid an area.

Never heard of that.
I'm curious too.

 

[vito]

The biggest problems I have with the testers on YouTube is the so called 3D iron test. Like, how in the world is this even a concept?.....we live in a multi dimensional world and detect stuff in the ground which is also multi dimensional.....so how does a coin above or below a nail become 3 dimensions when you place a coin near a nail on the ground? It just doesn't make sense at all to me.

This to me should be a test in which you show why you would grid an area.

Hey @bigtim1973 .

First: You're not selling overpriced accessories that can be used to perform such a test.
Second: You're not a detector manufacturer and you don't want to encourage users of other detector manufacturers to use this accessory to compare performance.
Third: It's human nature to make comparisons.
Look at auto racing, football, baseball, and basketball leagues. And sporting events in general.
It's not about playing healthy sports, it's about being the BEST.
Whether this is beneficial or not. The goals may be honorable, like road safety, but it's just the idiots who want to emulate their idols on the road who ruin everything and claim their victims.
And it's the same here, except there are no "victims" to lament in that sense. (Hooray!)
But the old, non-upgradeable devices are supposed to be left behind.
You can already see the aggressive behavior of some forum users, whom you wouldn't suspect are also sellers. WOW. And it's not just users who get the devices provided by the manufacturer as testers.
Completely different from how it used to be.
Back then, well-known figures who earned their living by prospecting for gold were chosen as testers.
Not like these influencers and social media junkies who would sell their own grandmother for a few clicks.
That's what I love about forums. And as long as my detectors are still locating things, I'm not replacing them with this irreparable junk, for crying out loud.
Just imagine...
For example: Back then, I chose White's because the Eclipse series offered one coil type for many detectors. A great concept for me as someone who's learned to be resource-efficient.
Today: A detector like the Simplex, whose successor models can't even share the same accessories. So if I need a new device, the old coil might not fit anymore. It's no different with ML. Same device name, different operating principles. Not compatible with each other.
That's neither resource-efficient nor logically explainable, except for the manufacturer. Who WILL sell NEW accessories with every device they sell.
Another example might explain what I mean better.
I used to go to a junkyard and get a door switch for the window regulator. Totally simple.
You can still do that today, but now I also have to pay a lot of money to have this used switch activated for my car, which I own, at an authorized repair shop.
It's crazy and it's becoming more and more common; but I digress.

Please excuse this long post.

Tim, I completely agree with you.

 

[JCR TX]

The biggest problems I have with the testers on YouTube is the so called 3D iron test. Like, how in the world is this even a concept?.....we live in a multi dimensional world and detect stuff in the ground which is also multi dimensional.....so how does a coin above or below a nail become 3 dimensions when you place a coin near a nail on the ground? It just doesn't make sense at all to me.

This to me should be a test in which you show why you would grid an area.

A 3D test is where you have the two targets that are separated by both depth and offset, so, X and Y position. Iffy Signals wooden block tests that often gets derided is an above ground example. This is actually a decent test for comparing detectors and coils. No, it’s not real world, it’s not supposed to be. It sets a standardized repeatable base and gives a measure of basic performance. A good tester will follow up with standardized in ground testing. Some detectors will do great in air but poorly in ground if there is any mineralization. Other detectors can perform better in ground than air. This is why it pays to test for yourself in your own hunting ground. Understanding & knowledge applied in the field gets more of the only good targets left, the masked or difficult ones. 3D tests show Unmasking performance.
A 2D test is on same plane targets. Monte’s nail board is an above ground standard 2D test. This type of test is looking at Separation and coil saturation.

 

[woodbutcher]

I'm in the middle of creating my very own AI tester .lol

 

[vito]

A 3D test is where you have the two targets that are separated by both depth and offset, so, X and Y position. Iffy Signals wooden block tests that often gets derided is an above ground example. This is actually a decent test for comparing detectors and coils. No, it’s not real world, it’s not supposed to be. It sets a standardized repeatable base and gives a measure of basic performance. A good tester will follow up with standardized in ground testing. Some detectors will do great in air but poorly in ground if there is any mineralization. Other detectors can perform better in ground than air. This is why it pays to test for yourself in your own hunting ground. Understanding & knowledge applied in the field gets more of the only good targets left, the masked or difficult ones. 3D tests show Unmasking performance.
A 2D test is on same plane targets. Monte’s nail board is an above ground standard 2D test. This type of test is looking at Separation and coil saturation.

I completely understand these tests. And as you correctly pointed out, some detectors perform better in air, others in the ground.
Based on this, I could now make the following claim: A detector that performs well in the ground will have difficulty with a freshly plowed field. (!)
But that's not correct either.
And regarding this 3D test, I question why it's also performed in the air. I don't know of any detectorist that burrows all that material into the ground and waits until a halo forms.
That's the same argument that used to be used in sales pitches: Pieces that have been undisturbed in the ground for a long time can be located better and at greater depths. (?)
That, too, is only partially true.
Monte recreated his nail board test based on a situation he personally encountered in a ghost town.
Nothing more and nothing less; and if a detector didn't pass his test to his satisfaction, it wasn't suitable for THIS (his) type of search.
Everything has its pros and cons. And every treasure hunter has their hunting grounds and preferences.

What I condemn are these statements that if your device can't do this or that, then you absolutely need the XXX. On the other hand, who likes to admit that their old PI is better than the new $16k model?
It's the same phenomenon as back then with the DFX. Without exception, every owner declared that it was deeper than an MXT. lol
Yes, it can do more, is more finely adjustable, has fantastic ground tracking... but it's not deeper than an MXT. Not even in sand. It's all marketing.
However, what's still much more important is: what kind of service can I expect from the manufacturer, how durable is the device, and can it be quickly repaired by an electronics technician?

You see, everyone has their own idea of what makes a good detector.

 

[Odanscoils]

Hey @bigtim1973 .

First: You're not selling overpriced accessories that can be used to perform such a test.
Second: You're not a detector manufacturer and you don't want to encourage users of other detector manufacturers to use this accessory to compare performance.
Third: It's human nature to make comparisons.
Look at auto racing, football, baseball, and basketball leagues. And sporting events in general.
It's not about playing healthy sports, it's about being the BEST.
Whether this is beneficial or not. The goals may be honorable, like road safety, but it's just the idiots who want to emulate their idols on the road who ruin everything and claim their victims.
And it's the same here, except there are no "victims" to lament in that sense. (Hooray!)
But the old, non-upgradeable devices are supposed to be left behind.
You can already see the aggressive behavior of some forum users, whom you wouldn't suspect are also sellers. WOW. And it's not just users who get the devices provided by the manufacturer as testers.
Completely different from how it used to be.
Back then, well-known figures who earned their living by prospecting for gold were chosen as testers.
Not like these influencers and social media junkies who would sell their own grandmother for a few clicks.
That's what I love about forums. And as long as my detectors are still locating things, I'm not replacing them with this irreparable junk, for crying out loud.
Just imagine...
For example: Back then, I chose White's because the Eclipse series offered one coil type for many detectors. A great concept for me as someone who's learned to be resource-efficient.
Today: A detector like the Simplex, whose successor models can't even share the same accessories. So if I need a new device, the old coil might not fit anymore. It's no different with ML. Same device name, different operating principles. Not compatible with each other.
That's neither resource-efficient nor logically explainable, except for the manufacturer. Who WILL sell NEW accessories with every device they sell.
Another example might explain what I mean better.
I used to go to a junkyard and get a door switch for the window regulator. Totally simple.
You can still do that today, but now I also have to pay a lot of money to have this used switch activated for my car, which I own, at an authorized repair shop.
It's crazy and it's becoming more and more common; but I digress.

Please excuse this long post.

Tim, I completely agree with you.

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Eggszakly.
I like the way you think.

Greed and the mighty buck.

It seems all that matters.

We don't want you using your old coil on our newer machine. Ungh

Loved my White's for that.

And car parts.
Oh boy don't get me started.

And now the courts up holding we can't maintain our own vehicles.
Not even auto shops will be allowed data to make repairs.

NUTTS !!!

 

[Odanscoils]

I'm in the middle of creating my very own AI tester .lol

Yup
We need a tester to CK durability with an Ax.

I'd pay to see that.


Cars too.

 

[Odanscoils]

A 3D test is where you have the two targets that are separated by both depth and offset, so, X and Y position. Iffy Signals wooden block tests that often gets derided is an above ground example. This is actually a decent test for comparing detectors and coils. No, it’s not real world, it’s not supposed to be. It sets a standardized repeatable base and gives a measure of basic performance. A good tester will follow up with standardized in ground testing. Some detectors will do great in air but poorly in ground if there is any mineralization. Other detectors can perform better in ground than air. This is why it pays to test for yourself in your own hunting ground. Understanding & knowledge applied in the field gets more of the only good targets left, the masked or difficult ones. 3D tests show Unmasking performance.
A 2D test is on same plane targets. Monte’s nail board is an above ground standard 2D test. This type of test is looking at Separation and coil saturation.

Thanks
I didn't see that.

 

[Nauti]

I just got permission to search this........just need one of the latest detectors for best results i reckon.

 

[vito]

What I forgot to mention...
Back when I was asked to test a machine, there was a mountain of paperwork involved. It wasn't just a matter of ticking a few boxes in spreadsheets or making a video.
The testing procedure alone was described in detail, and you had to wade through a stack of papers beforehand.
Then you had to work through the spreadsheets and document your experiences. This was also where you could note any potential improvements.
Well, times change. Thanks to microcomputers and increasingly affordable memory, devices today are like bananas - they ripen at the customer's expense.
A manufacturer today simply throws the hardware together and releases it.
If something doesn't work properly, no problem, we'll fix it in the next update.
The majority of customers want larger numbers on the display? No problem.

That would have been unthinkable back then, and the manufacturers would have gone out of business.

Happy Hunting & Have Fun