Bottle Caps and Pull Tabs! How can I better recognize them?

[Gator Gold 1]

Hello- I am a new XP user and find myself digging an obscene amount of pull tabs and bottle caps. The numbers range from 71-89 and I'm concerned that I will miss valuable coins if I notch these numbers out. Is there a technique I can use with the machine or coil that will help me better determine these junk targets before I dig them? I understand nothing is full proof, however I believe there must be a better method. Thank you in advance!

 

[sprchng]

You can do the frequency change thing for bottlecaps and look for a change in VDI as long as you haven't done the "normalization " thing with the tones... it works the majority of the time.
For pull tabs and canslaw you can pray the rumored V4 update addresses it or just learn to live with it. Those targets are tough with all detectors and learning to recognize the "round sound" on the Deus will help to some degree but it's that VDI thing that is the Achilles Heel of the Deus....as a matter of fact , it's an entire foot.

 

[Gator Gold 1]

Thank you. Do I shift frequencies within the same program? What am I looking for when I shift frequencies and what frequencies do I shift to?

 

[beepsilver]

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?83,2203593,page=1
Read this thread...some advice on bottlecaps.

 

[Gator Gold 1]

That's excellent information! Will any of those programs you outlined need to be adjusted given that I have the most recent update on my XP?

 

[Welgund]

Raise your coil while sweeping the target if the vdi goes down its likely trash if it stays consistent while your raising it it's likely a good target.

 

[beepsilver]

That's excellent information! Will any of those programs you outlined need to be adjusted given that I have the most recent update on my XP?

If you're referring to the settings I mentioned in that post (link above), then no, those settings were created using version 3.2 (the latest version). Just keep in mind that the soil/environment in your area may differ from mine, so minor tweaks may be necessary (I doubt this however, as the settings are not "hot," meaning the settings are not meant to hear a dime at 12 inches with the 11 inch coil). For that, you'd need reactivity of 0 and a higher Sens and TX settings, which are not advisable in trashy conditions. The only thing that's changed for me since then, is I mostly run disc at 1 or 2 now...it's a challenge (for me) to hit collocated targets with higher disc--listen for yourself to the differences between disc 0, 1 & 2 in an area with nails/nail bits...you won't believe how much gets filtered even in this small range of disc settings. However, if you're new to the Deus, cutting filters this way will likely confuse you until you've had some time to understand what the machine is telling you. When I first started, I watched videos & read a lot, but I still thought everything sounded good beneath the coil until I learned what the machine was telling me, and after digging a lot of trash/iron, but it was valuable information nonetheless.

This won't help you much with sniffing out collocated targets, but if you go to a new park or school with a lot of clad, you'll very quickly get experience learning good from bad targets....this will speed up your education exponentially. Before long, you'll be ferreting out silver next to a nail at depth.

Good luck!

 

[Bigtwin]

@beepsilver....thank you for the time and effort you give in explaining the Deus. I've yet to purchase but reading/watching everything I can and your posts will be valuable to me too. I'm using a friends F75 until the new Deus coil is announced/released.

 

[Gator Gold 1]

I really appreciate your detailed response. Thank you for taking the time.

 

[Metal Magnet]

do others have luck with pulling the coil away from the target, toward you? bottlecaps seem to give off a broken/iron/grunting quality to me. i'm still fooled at times. you will definitely increase your skill with time.

 

[psyvad]

I pull the coil backwards while sweeping/wiggling over the target and the target ID "almost always" drops on bottle caps.

For pull tabs and pop tops, "sometimes" they will give a fuzzy/scratchy sound and sometimes they won't. If you're looking for gold or platinum rings, you'll be digging pull tabs.

 

[Digger 45]

Dragging back on the coil works very good for me, when coming off the cap it will buzz and when you come off a coin the sound will just stop clean and no other noises. I don't know if this is normal but while dragging back the tone will start to lower before the grunt.

As far as digging pull tabs i have found no way to see that the target is a pull tab or a ring, just have to dig them. I have found pull tabs from the fifties to the seventies on the scale.

 

[Sleepyjim]

Nice help there Beep!

Jim

 

[Foiled]

Coil raising works for me on caps, I went to a cap and tab infested park today and dug every cap for practice, I got them right every time except one, I guess because that cap was folded in half and made a nice coin sound.
Every cap I dug up started at 94-96 and when I lifted the coil the all went down in the high 80s. I got four quarters, one silver and knew every time the difference between caps and quarters. Tabs, I knew every time that it was going to be a square tab but I dig them anyway because all the rings I've found have come in around the 60s. Beaver tails keep tricking me, usually 88 and I know better but I just keep digging them. Zincs were always 85, copper pennies were all 90-91 and dimes were all 93. I hit a 9" dime and the signal and ID never changed when raising the coil. I was using the Deep program with GB on tracking and ground notched the whole bar, I don't even know what that does but I tried it. Good luck, it just takes practice and then you forget so you have to practice more and forget and practice.....

 

[smkunder]

Great tips, bottle caps I think cause the most frustration with this machine for sure.

 

[amberjack]

yeah it likes them beer caps that's for sure.. I use both lift and pull back I think lift is better but those rusted ones that are deep as in a few inches they get hard to ID but working on that..

AJ