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Cleaning Indian Heads

timwied

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Kinda hit the jackpot in the last month. In a 28 day period I found 10 Indian Heads in 28 days, ranging from 1863 to 1907. One I found is this old crusty 1902 Indian Head Penny. [attachment 324038 IMAG2644.jpg] I thought, what the heck, I've tried several times to clean old crusty Indian's and always ruined them, not that they were worth anything the way they were! I think I've found a way to restore the eye appeal at least. This worked for an 1864 IH that I found, it too wasn't worth much the way it was.
This particular 1902 Indian Head was first soaked in Olive Oil for several weeks, I've done this in the past without much change. But this time, I used a regular #2 Pencil. I took the 1902 out of the Olive Oil and rinsed it off with plenty of soap and water. Then dried it (without rubbing it) with a paper towel. I work at a high school so I find hundreds of like new pencils all the time, so I will sharpen 8 - 10 pencils and start (gently) rubbing the coin with the sharpened tip, the graphite seems to get under some of the crust and loosen it, took me 5 -10 minutes to get over the front and back. The back was worse than the front, couldn't really see much of anything, I'll post it later on this forum, but I'm at my limit on pics here. Going over it once, then rubbing it with plenty of soap, barely touching it between my fingers, rinsing under running water, then more soap and just barely touching it with soft bristled tooth brush, then rinsing again and drying it with paper towel. Careful not to rub too hard, because a tooth brush will indeed scratch a coin if looked at through a microscope. This is how it turned out after the first time over[attachment 324039 IMAG2649.jpg]. Second time[attachment 324040 IMAG2662.jpg]. Third time. [attachment 324041 IMAG2667.jpg]
Then I looked at my picture and could see where I still needed to touch up some more, always make sure your pencils are very sharp, that's why I had 10 pencils handy. I also use an electric sharpener, saves lots of time sharpening. First couple of times you will use all of them going over both sides once. The color in these last pics are more true of color, the first four didn't pick up on the green because of the background color and lighting. Here is the fifth time over. [attachment 324042 IMAG2684.jpg]
The last time over it I again used my picture on my phone to see where I needed to get some more, with a very sharp pencil you can gently clean out the small letters and numbers, like the O and A. Does a pretty decent job. Here is my final time over it. [attachment 324043 IMAG2698.jpg] Notice, this still leaves the green patina on it but removes almost all the crusties, Careful with the edges because you can push too hard and chip off some of the patina there, if you look closely you can see some here, Be sure to practice on lot's of coins that aren't worth much even if they were in great shape, before you start on an 1877 Indian Head! That's on my Bucket list next!!! Now, I'm going to take it in to my coin dealer and ask him to tell me if it has been cleaned, I can't see any scratches under 10x magnification, not saying there isn't any. But now when I show it to someone, they will say WOW, that's really cool! Before they would look at a crusty Indian Head and say something like, that's cool, but doesn't seem worth my time to go out to dig one up.
 
This is the back before I started. [attachment 324045 IMAG2647.jpg]

This is after the first time, [attachment 324046 IMAG2653.jpg] It cleaned up really nice, you could see the crust flaking off the surface, thought I was ruining it at that point. But who wants one that looks like that?

This is the final time over it and closer to actual color. [attachment 324047 IMAG2699.jpg]

I also cleaned an 1871 that couldn't even tell which side was which, it took about 10 times over before I could even see the date, after about 40 times over it and 4 -5 hours invested it finally looks pretty good!
 
I have ordered 7 oz of Renaissance Wax to coat the ones I've cleaned up, that is what museums use to protect their stuff, so it should be good enough for me.
 
Awesome post! Thanks for all the great info on cleaning. Do you think you could get the same results on a really crusty nickel?
 
????Does this technique work on Wheaties or old Nickels ???
 
Thanks for the post. Nice info there on your procedure. I haven't tried Ren wax on coins but I make ink pens out of used brass rifle casings. I rub a coat of Ren wax on all of my bullet pens that I make . Great product, you will like it.
 
Fantastic job of cleaning the IH !!! I WILL remember this cleaning tip ! Now all I have to do is find a coin......
 
WOW!!! That's looks amazing!!
Great tip for sure.
Thanks for sharing :)
 
of Indian Heads I've been trying to clean. Tried electrolysis with my fancy smancy current regulated power supply. As I later found out electrolysis is not recommended for copper. Then I tried repeatedly heating and cooling, some of the gunk came off. I pretty much gave up but I'll dig them out again and try your method. Last week I bought a cartoon of #2 pencils, and I have a kick butt Panasonic pencil sharpener.

The ground were I mainly hunt is very kind to copper, I have found a lot of beautiful high quality IHs, these are out of the ground with only a Hydrogen peroxide bath.
[attachment 324122 1900IH.jpg][attachment 324123 2012-10-28a.jpg]



But a couple years ago I hunted a main street tear out in a small town. I was finding a dozen IHs a day, but many came from under concrete and were terribly crusty.

Ground will be freezing here next week, then I'll have plenty of to sharpen my pencils.

Thanks for the information.

Chris(SoCenWI)
 
I haven't tried anything except IH's yet. One IH I found is an 1863 which has 18% nickel I do believe. It is very crusty and I've gone over it several times, it isn't getting much better, I think I may have over done it on that one! Some IH's seem to be too bad to do anything with, but in that case, my feeling is "what do I have to loose"? Nickel doesn't seem to do very good underground? I found an 1883 V nickel when I was a kid ust laying on top of the ground in our chicken pen that is really crusted, I haven't dug it out of my collection to try this technique yet. May have to give it a try, it's so bad you have to look under a magnifying glass to see the date. If your IH has bumps on it, it has deteriorated so much it is in to the coin, I have one like that. It wont take off the bumps, but helps the rest of the coin. Hope this helps to make your IH's pleasing to you, mine did. Some turn out better than others.
Here is my 1871 when I found it, front and back looked the same. [attachment 324140 IMAG2573_1.jpg]
Here it is after going over it about 40 times. [attachment 324141 IMAG2620.jpg][attachment 324142 IMAG2626.jpg]
I have some that it is not working on as good as these, these two turned out the best so far. I've only discovered this a couple weeks ago.
 
Haven't tried it yet, but I will.
 
Very nice coins Chris! Love it when I find one that's easy to make look good, heck I even like it when it's hard to clean! I'd rather find an IH than 10 dollars in clad!
 
This is my 1864 (Bronze) before I discovered the pencil trick. I had soaked it in Olive Oil for about 3 weeks, washed it with soap and water and very gently with a toothbrush several times, this is as good as I could get it! [attachment 324145 IMAG2348.jpg]

Then I tried the pencil trick, here is how it turned out after about 6 times over with a sharp pencil!! This was my first experience! I wish I had thought about taking pictures after each time, but never thought it would turn out this good! I could probably go over it one more time up next to the T's in States. But I'm not going to push my luck, it looks good enough to me! [attachment 324146 IMAG2380.jpg]
 
zippy4zz said:
Awesome post! Thanks for all the great info on cleaning. Do you think you could get the same results on a really crusty nickel?

Don't know, seems some turn out better than others, my opinion is what do you have to loose? Post some before and after pics!!!
 
I think it may depend on what kind of crust material is on the coin. I see some progress, and will keep trying, but might be more work than its worth.

Chris
 
After first time trying a number 2 pencil i got mixed results. It wont correct pitting corrosion or remove hardened sap etc.I wore some disposable latex gloves the second time as the graphite was very messy. I must of misread something as i also went out and bought some # 6 and #8 pencils. They are of course harder. I dont know if the graphite makes a difference but seems to give it a lubrication factor so to speak. Im not sure im getting greater results necessarily as i would with a toothpick but will say the pencils are easier to hold and renewable in the sense that you can sharpen them, adding a renewed point.
 
Those look good. I put my Indian Heads in a rock tumbler with aquarium gravel.
 
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