deep silver with GTI 2500

[deepnails]

Hi Marcomo, My first unit came from kellyco in 2000 and only cost $699, my secound unit, { I traded my first a mistake } came from Jerry's treasure den. The dealer whom sent it in is my freinds employer a car dealer from Oneonta NY named Mark. He started a dealership for his daughter and is very inexpirienced at detecting also he is a big internet fan and believed Garretts weren't as good as say tesoro or minelab. As for motives, simple I am a kind and sensitive person and I thought it was time to share some of my expirience. I've been detecting since 1972,{ ten years old }. I started with a Garrets BFO with a dual coil eight and 3.5 inch, then in 1975 I moved to the then top of the line coinmaster V. In the mid seventies many parks in my area were considered to be worked out, this was when I learned to operate my TR detector more efficently than most people, as I learned to scrub and keep the tuning knob at the maximum level possible I began to recover silver dimes to the six inch mark and halves and quarters at eight to ten inches. On my best day I recovered 156 wheat pennies alone along with two halves about twenty silver quarters and about eighty silver dimes, that day I also found a Indian head penny with a gold chain, along with the coins I recovered probably five hundred or so pulltabs. Now you are probably already thinking no one can dig this many targets in one day, well with a TR you can, TR's give perfect pinpointing and perfect depth . Also I was a master with my knife and wasted no time after recieving my signal on average I could retrieve a target in ten seconds or so as most targets were shallow and I was in excellent physical condition. About the depth reading I oviously was wrong I just assumed it was inches as it corrosponded to the actual depth and on targets that had no audio in pinpoint the depth notches would dance up and down. Now I must say I don't use this fishing technique very much as it takes a lot of work, I only use it were there is a high concentration of coins and from expirience I know exactly were they are. The fairgrounds I learned this at I've detected since I was ten and I know the soil and garbage type under every square foot of the forty or so acres, I know where to fish and were not to. For instance a cellar hole is a place I wouldn't want to fish unless there were some very valuble recoverys in the past. I did just use this tecnique in a cellar hole here in Little falls because I recovered two bust half cents, five bust cents one 1812 and 1822 large cents, and two buckles among the other relics, an untouched site were a revolutionary war veteran lived after the war. So I went fishing and what did I turn up? Two of the rarest and most unique finds of my life, I'm not sure what their monatary value is but to me they are very special- a 1824 pewter large cent and what appears to be a die cast or reverse immpresion pewter large cent. I will post pictures of these shortly and hopefully some will know something about these as I haven't taken them in for appraisal yet. Thats all for now, Thank you everyone and I wish you the best of luck in your next hunt, Darryl.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

Try that all metal that ID's as its as deep as anything on the market..Actually dug a 13 inch barber dime with a dead on dime meter reading. A bit noisy as it picks up everything but another way to get deep silver with an ID...Sorry Charlie 2500 is the only Garrett that has this feature...

 

[marcomo]

I've enjoyed your posts, Darryl, and appreciate your insights.

Now that you've found this forum, don't be a stranger.

 

[deepnails]

Hi Dan-Pa and Marcomo and everyone else, Thank you for your kind welcome Marcomo! Dan you are correct I have used all metal with the volume turned almost off and I just watch the meter. This is similar to using the pinpoint method I described. The all metal hunting can be exhausting but I have had succsess this way searching in heavy concentrations of iron. Any time the conductivity jumped up I would dig, lots of nails but some beautiful coins also and some well below the nails. Thank you everybody and have a nice day, Darryl.

 

[prospector 55]

Ya really I would like to see your display also mine only goes to 12 inches, but my BH 505 will only detect to 27 and 37/32 of an inch with the turbo charger installed and only if my coil is freshly waxed by a guild of vegetarian carpenters and then blessed by an uncircumsized rabi!!!

 

[prospector 55]

uke:I feel light headed Oh there it is I forgot to put on my tin foil lined hat to reflect all of those stray sattelite waves bouncing around my detector unit

 

[Gene]

Thanks for posting this Darryl. I have read everything here and found it to be
very interesting. I don't have a GTI2500 but will try your technique with my
CXIII. Will have to wait until the weather cools some though as I don't hunt
in this extreme heat we are having. Thanks again for posting and good
hunting to you Darryl.

 

[metalhead]

Try that all metal that ID's as its as deep as anything on the market..Actually dug a 13 inch barber dime with a dead on dime meter reading. A bit noisy as it picks up everything but another way to get deep silver with an ID...Sorry Charlie 2500 is the only Garrett that has this feature...

CX has it too, Dan. (FYI) Happy Hunting

 

[roseon3rd]

Hey Darryl,

I went to an 1890 house yesterday afternoon and made up my mind that I was going to hunt by applying your technique....no matter what. On my 8th target I got a single bleep and it was showing quarter at 7 inches but the darn sizing thing was showing a large target. I thought crap, another old brass bolt or large nail. I stuck my shovel in the dirt and cut a nice 8 inch plug, peeled it back and then started removing the dirt. Then I noticed what I was sure was some kind of silver coin. I stopped digging and went and got my camera so I could photo it as it layed. (no special reason, I just like to catalog my finds that way) I then reached in and pulled out a super nice 1898 Barber quarter! Dang sure did! I was tickled to death! ( I usually don't dig anything over coin size...makes me wonder how many silver coins I've passed over!) Me and a couple others have hunted that place hard 5 times and pulled a couple hunderd clad coins and approximately 15 wheaties from that yard but never any silver! Yesterday was different. Thanks for your post about the GTI 2500. I'm stoked and can't wait to swing that Garrett 12.5 coil again!

Curt aka roseon3rd

 

[Gene]

Gotta like that Curt. A really great coin using a new technique.
This could be one of your favorite techniques before long I am
thinking. You sure didn't have to wait very long to see it work.
Nice going and I hope you get many, many more.

 

[marcomo]

OK, Darryl I responded to one of your posts on the "get this BS on the White's forum" thread. Since it really belongs here, I'm reposting.

The reason most detectorist don't find coins under one foot is because they go to a site and listen for solid beeps and look at the meter. I do just the opposite, when I go to a site looking for old coins and relics I listen for tiny almost indescernable beeps and can't look at the meter because all of my concentration is being used to see exaclty where the loop was when the fringe signal is emmitted, I then drop my detector and dig.

Darryl, I'm a little bit confused now.

I thought your technique which you explained before was to watch for brief high conductivity blips on your meter where no audio is emitted, but now you're saying you listen for tiny beeps of audio and don't look at the meter?

Also don't you think it's possible that on the 30" quarter you dug - the signal that caused you to dig might have been from a different metallic object?

When you're digging in an area that had a lot of activity in the old days (like your fairground) and you dig a two and a half foot crater, it would be quite possible to pull an old coin even though the detector was actually iron falsing or reacting to some other more shallow metal instead of the coin.

That seems like a lot more logical explanation than a 30" coin signal, no matter how slight, on a VLF detector.

 

[cwilk]

8 inches is within range of the 2500 for the right target using normal technique. A silver quarter oriented parallel to the ground will give a pretty good signal if the soil is moist. Oddly on my 2500 with the 12.5 inch coil deep silver usually indicates quite a bit shallower than it actually is no matter how I pinpoint and often as size A. So far this year I,m finding lots of dimes and very few quarters. Hopefully, I dig a few deep silver quarters to see how they react.

BTW, very nice coin. I got a 1902 about 10 days ago. One of my favorite finds so far this year. I'm still waiting to break the 1900 silver barrier with my 2500.

Chris

 

[bearkat4160]

Great thread this one, smart people here on the Garrett forum.

 

[deepnails]

Hi Marcomo, When I fish I swing my coil over the exact same ground perhaps five or six passes then move forward slightly or go over the same ground from a different direction. Then when I recieve a signal, an ever so slight signal, one which is very quick and above iron I dig. Then I use pinpoint and this is when I rely on the GTA not the audio. I just tested my GTI yesterday with my friend just to check the actual height at which the gta will register in pinpoint. We dropped a clad qaurter on the ground, { 10 X 14 }, the audio in zero at sensitivity nine stopped giving a signal at around twelve inches, In pinpoint the gta registered nine at about waist high well over twenty four inches. Everyone should test their own 2500, wave your coil over a coin at about fourteen inches just above the height where the audio is lost then use pinpoint at a height of say twenty inches and watch the GTA it will correctly identify the target at remarkable depths. In order to take advantage of this feature in the field it takes practice. After getting a slight questionable beep you can pinpoint where you thought the beep came from but in order to be accurate you must first clear your GTA and you must bring the coil in from a direction with no targets. This may take numerous trys. Now if you pinpoint the suspected target area and no audio is heard but the GTA goes above Iron then you either have a tiny target or an ultra deep target. This does take a lot of practice. I was just reviewing this technique with my friend yesterday and we dug a small lead bullet at about sixteen inches, my friend would never have even looked at this target because the first audio signal only beeped once and was almost unhearable, Then I used pinpoint and at first it read a conductivity of seven after digging about ten inches of soil the GTA settled in on two and thats were it stayed, all the while there was no audio signal. Usally I wouldn,t dig this deep for a two but I was demonstrating and reviewing for myself after all of the interest on this site. I believe why we recieve the first tiny signal is because I wave the coil over the exact same spot for five or so sweeps so the auto ground balance achieves a perfect balance then you move slightly forward and even though the ground minerals are the same a very deep target probably appears as a slight change in mineralization to the detector and thus the single quick weak response, as you try to repeat this signal the detector will balance it out. Of course I am not an engineer and this is purely a guess. So if you just test your GTA for your self you will see it can detect well over twenty inches. As far as just digging anywhere and finding silver, well if it were that easy we wouldn't even need a detector, Also you can use you pinpoint for the one quick but solid ding say ten to sixteen inch silver to tell if it was a square nail or a coin and this way eliminate a lot of unessicary digging. Whenever your detector makes any noise there is a reason. In order to achieve depths that others don't achieve while using the same equipment you must be willing to dig the fringe noises emmitted by your machine. Oh also we found a twelve or so inch indian head penny and about a ten wheat these were both with solid signals here in a little falls park which of course is considered cleaned. See you all later and good luck!, Darryl

 

[deepnails]

HI, Marcomo, yes sometimes I do hunt in all metal and just watch the meter. Just another way to hunt with the GTI, bye, Darryl.

 

[Old Katz]

That sounds really exciting!

I live in the mid-west. We have a few areas that once had old buildings and a rail road that no longer runs.
I suppose that counts as a ghost town. It's all farm land now. If what you say is true, that 2500 might
recover some deep silver coins if any is there. So this only works with silver? Has the 2500 picked up other targets
deeper than 12in?

Katz

 

[Old Katz]

Just a thought: If many of you fellow metal detectionist can verfy this, then it's worth an artical for the Treasure Hunter
magazines, and worth my investing in the Garrett 2500. I'll wait to buy while the jury makes up it's mind.-)
Katz

 

[marcomo]

As Garrett's top of the line, I have no doubts the 2500 is a fine machine.

But if this thread is the basis for anybody's purchase, I wouldn't be surprised if that person (or persons) was disappointed.

Darryl seems very sincere about what he's saying and he may be totally correct, or he may perceive what he says to be totally correct.

But I'm still not 100% convinced that the "30 inch" technique isn't just a ploy to sell someone's excess GTI 2500's, especially with rumors swirling about Garrett coming out with a new top of the line unit which would no doubt put a serious dent in the value of anyone's remaining 2500 inventory.

I hope that this is a valid technique, and that several longtime 2500 owners who already love the machine will be able to test this technique and profit from it.

 

[Uncle Willy]

Yeah you might have passed over some deep nuggies.

Bill

 

[Uncle Willy]

I sent the info to Garrett's engineers and they said, " no way." And a few at Garrett tried the technique with no success but that doesn't mean that this fellow hasn't discovered something the engineers overlooked.

Bill