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E-Trac and V3i - Some head to head videos on deeper targets.

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earthmansurfer

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(Deeper in my soil and measured with a tape measure!) Each Video is only 3 minutes and edited. Settings given as well as Coins VDI readings out of ground. Longer swings are kind of hard as the ground is a bit trashy in places, but I did it where possible. I hope to improve on these videos so Comments appreciated.

Thx,
Albert

PS - I realize these are both high end machines. I did this comparison because I had concerns about running machines in my soil - iron mineralization very high at between 1% - 3%. It has seemed very hard in the past to get past 6" or 7" in my soil on coin size targets with great machines.

I recommend you go full screen and in 480 on youtube. Really watch the screens and catch the sounds.


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KRsECH_TNE[/video]


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQzguuy65hg[/video]


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDDANJ5LCs[/video]
 
Great video's! Looks like the ETrac is whipping butt to me. Keep the ETrac and sell the boat paddle with the boat. Nice video's
 
Come on guys. No harsh words here or they might close the thread. Thanks for the comments though.

Next time I will get the V3i's recovery faster.

But yes, clearly the E-Trac performs quick and you can decide much quicker. The 2D screen coupled with two VDI numbers really assist on deeper targets. There is a clear advantage on iffy targets when you have another plane of reference.

Thx,
Albert
 
I bet if you had not known where the targets were before hand you would have probably went right by them with the V3i. What you have shown is about the results I got with the V3i too. Thanks for the videos.
 
Albert,

Your findings mirrored mine. I found the V3i to be maddeningly inconsistent in terms of target response.

Just curious if you checked any of the targets with the 8000. I have used one and found it to be a great little detector.

Bill
 
I was torn between which detector to get. My good friend and hunting partner uses a V3i and is very successful with it, because he has used White's for the past 10 years or so. However, I chose the E-Trac after posting the question on my youtube channel and got so many positive responses about the E-Trac. I also took a second to note that most of the channels I was subscribed to were E-Trac users. That kind of made me feel like I went the right direction......and I couldn't be happier with it.
 
I have an MXT Pro. Can't wait to get my ETrac and check it against the MXT. I hope to post a similar video of my MXT vs the ETrac. I've been on the ETrac site for about 6 months now checking the posts and it seems the ETrac kicks butt against most other detectors. I've heard on the MXT site that I'm not finding silver, because I'm not passing my coil over silver? Having just watched the V3i and the signals it produces....I can see why I'd pass on some similar signals with my MXT and never even dig it ....or possibly not even detect it. My MXT is a great unit, and I've found some nice stuff, but it seems only shallow coins. I only have the stock coil on it though. So I wonder if I'm missing targets because of that??
Great videos! Hope I can help others out as well. I know I'll need help with my new ETrac once I get it.......sometime in the near future!
 
Bill - I would have walked past the first two targets for sure. 6" - 7" in my ground seems where the V3i has problems getting through the iron mineralization (I think).

Other Bill (;-) - I haven't checked the targets with the Omega. I also had problems getting past 6" in this ground but the Omega has a low frequency, so I would be shocked if it hit 7" but again, I used it a lot and did't find coins past 6".

Goes4Ever - Yes. The V3i is a different animal. Again, I think it's my soil as others do find deep coins with the V3i. The sounds of the E-Trac really make sense to me. I'm not at all worried about passing up a deep coin, even with Recovery Fast ON (ok, just a little, but I'm careful ;-)

Guys - Thanks for all your comments. The E-Trac is incredible. I think I might be able to hit a quarter sized silver coin at a foot in this ground, really. As you can see, I'm within a couple of inches of it's max right now, I mean I'm maxed at 30 sensitivity and it is an ok signal at 8". So, 10" on that size coin might be the limit. I do think the V3i is a good machine, but it's a tougher animal to tame. And I really think what we were seeing here was the iron mineralization at work. I am curious if those of you who had trouble getting depth from your V3i also had iron mineralization?

I look forward to more experiences here.

Thanks again,
Albert
 
These were the same results I got when I owned a v3i. It just did not give consistent target id and also had trouble keeping it running stable. I always left hunting spots wondering what I missed with it. Absolutely no regrets switching over to the e-trac
 
Just like the DFX, on deeper targets it seems to suffer on coins. Great video, thanks for your help! Keep up the good work.
 
I'm new to metal detecting and trying to learn the the features of the v3i, (This is my first detector) I have watched with great interest and appreciation
earthsufers69 video's and comments on both the v3i and E-Trac. My Question is? in your comparison shouldn't you have tried going to a higher filter with the v3i? This is all so confusing but living in Green Bay Wi.I will have 3 months before the ground thaws to study.
 
R-Chi said:
I'm new to metal detecting and trying to learn the the features of the v3i, (This is my first detector) I have watched with great interest and appreciation
earthsufers69 video's and comments on both the v3i and E-Trac. My Question is? in your comparison shouldn't you have tried going to a higher filter with the v3i? This is all so confusing but living in Green Bay Wi.I will have 3 months before the ground thaws to study.
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Maybe you didn't watch all the videos (or maybe I edited that out but I know I mentioned it at the end of one video) - I tried the 5 band, 5 high, and 7.5 & 10 band and they weren't any better. This is the problem I've had with the V3i. I know everyone means well but there are soooo many combinations. I hear: try this filter, lower the sensitivity, run more sensitivity, use one frequency, don't run correlate, etc.

You know what, if I didn't have an E-Trac to first find the coins, how would I even know? AND I have tested with buried coins. See where I'm going? I'm not upset (this is a post so you can't tell) but it's awfully hard to solve this problem without another machine. Now answer me this, what happens when I go to a different site or maybe right after a rain when conditions change? Do I need to bring the E-Trac to first find the coins so I can set my V3i up right? I'm serious here. Burying a coin and finding a buried coin give two different responses for the most part. With all the variables how can you really get the optimal settings in a new place? I use the ground probe extensively, I bury test coins, I have a test garden, I make videos and listen to the feedback. How much work does it take? (in my ground)

I do think, am pretty convinced that this is an iron mineralization issue and am a bit perplexed that since White's claims the V3i to be a true multifrequency unit (combining frequencies) how come it too doesn't see through the iron mineralization?

Thanks again for the comments guys, always appreciated,
Albert
 
Albert, I realize this is the e-trac forum but I'll give it a go anyway. I believe 3 freq ruins depth on that machine. There is one setting I find interesting, the ground track offset setting. I have not seen anyone on the internet give a good response for its purpose and why the setting has such a big span -100to +100. This setting alone may be one of the keys to help that particular detector improve in your soil. Something else too, the tracking speed I feel should be run at least 40 if not higher in mineralized soil. Since I got my etrac I have basically keyholed my v3i, for obvious reasons such as ones you stated. I hope you keep the videos coming because I watch them and I may learn something. In any case, I don't believe the detector in question will ever capture a deep target as well as the etrac.
 
The V3i has a DD coil. That would be dangerous to not use one in my soil!
 
I personally like this post. please continue with posting....
 
Albert: Thank you for your reply, As I stated I am new to metal detecting and was hoping you missed trying a higher filter. It seems I have the same problem here with (mineralization), I have no problem finding a large nail at 10" but the deepest silvers I have found were about 5 to maybe 6" deep so I figure if there are nails and other trash 10" deep there must be good targets I'm missing.
Again, Thank you for sharing your time.
Robert
 
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