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E trac or Vision

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Thunter

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was gonna buy an e trac this weekend til I started reading about whites new vision. Still leaning toward the e trac but would like more feed back. Have always ran a whites machine
 
I'm trying to choose between these detectors as well.

Several people in the Vision forum asked for a comparison b/w the two, and the posts were promptly removed by a moderator and a sticky was posted that comparisons will not be tolerated. Based on that experience, I'm going for the e-trac.

If the Vision were as good as its advocates claim, comparison with the competition would be encouraged rather than suppressed.

There are two explanations I can think of.

#1: Since White's licenses Minelab's technology, White's doesn't want to direclty harm minelab's e-trac sales by claims of the Vision's superiority.
#2: The Vision doesn't perform as well as the e-trac, and comparison is hence discouraged by White's.
 
I Have an E-Trac that paid for itself the hard way in less than 30 days......It ANT being replaced by anything... !

I have an SE that i picked up very reasonable that really cuts down on the parts count as far as packing a back up....... which i hope I never need ....but it to is no slouch... when it comes to cleaning up a place either.........

I will say that I have A vision that the new whites may have a niche that ANT nobody filling.......But it is to soon to say and it is a nice machine with some hot Dog features.......so competition is good ...I have already seen some things I like and some I do not.... BUT it is the best Whites I have ever seen ......So...l will have to wait and see.......I agree about the site... TOO heavy handed.......everybody puts their pants on one leg at a time....

one it did not like my coke or slag samples........did hit on em..
two will have to test some more .........in time these may not be an issue.....but for now the potential looks good for the ID

I guess in the end it really is the operator.......Or buy My new Book ....."Use the Shovel Stupid" $19.95 :razz:

Anyway why not buy both before..... Our Dear President restores the economy......he will be happy that you stimulating the detector market.....the prices may never be this low again after HYPER Inflation

Happy Trails
jimpugh
 
censorship, special interests, and the like...it makes me sick! There should be one officially recognized language only in the US-ENGLISH-...and the ability to express one's opinion without fear of reprisal..why not have a forum specifically for that like it was suggested to keep it from taking over the Vision forum for example. I hardly buy anything these days, especially electronics, before I read reviews by other users who are often much bigger 'philes than me and know the ins and outs of a new device way better...that's one of the beauties of the internet these days and the biggest fears of the manufacturers but it is our right to be informed-Caveat Emptor :)
 
I hear tell that its just a DFX with more bells and whistles,and its tone is annoying .This is from people that are using it . the depth and target separating don't come close to the ET or the SE. before I drop that kind of money I'll give it more time in the field to see how it does
 
I guess that folks will just have to post their comparisons over here instead.:poke::lol: Both machines have their appeal, so I don't think that either company should feel threatened by a comparison. At the end of the day it's going to come down to the effectiveness of the operator anyway. If it came down to price, over here in Oz the E-Trac retail between AUD $1700-$1800. I suspect when the Vision finally lands here, the local Whites dealer is going to have to charge around AUD$2600 with out the headphones. (My best guess.) With the Aussie dollar @70c US, plus freight(around $100) and 10% GST (local sales tax) he'd be hard pressed to get it under that figure.
I'd suspect that the vision would behave pretty close to the DFX /XLT but with more visual information. So I think it would be possible to guesstimate how well it will perform.
It's great to see detector performance improving with some great innovators on the cutting edge.
Mick Evans.
 
E-Trac! No Vision? No E-Trac? No wait, I heard there was a new machine that instead of tones it just TELLS you exactly what is under the coil (Of course you can program different voice options, sexy sounding lady or man, mother-in-law voice... not the most popular.. etc.)! For example, "It's a 1916 D Mercury dime 12" deep in VG condition! Shall I get it for you moseng?" And instead of a pinpoint button you just answer yes and the the super electromagnet built in sucks it out of the ground and puts it in your hand! :yikes:

Ok, sarcasm aside, who knows? I guess it all depends on what works best for you! Of course in this case you would have to spend $3K and get them both to find out! :)
 
Don't know much about the Vision yet but I have big pile of old coins I have found with the E-Trac from mostly pounded sites.It performs spectacular for me at my sites,Ray.
 
texastreasures said:
There are two explanations I can think of.

#1: Since White's licenses Minelab's technology, White's doesn't want to direclty harm minelab's e-trac sales by claims of the Vision's superiority.
#2: The Vision doesn't perform as well as the e-trac, and comparison is hence discouraged by White's.
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There is no truth to either of these. I have personally asked Larry to lift the ban on comparison discussions, because I think they should take place, and need to. I'm confident that Vision will perform extremely well against any competition.

- Carl@White's
 
i bought an e-trac and i've owned quite a few whites and every other brand made over the last 40 years and after i tried minelab detectors never looked back.Now the vision comes along right after the e-trac and it has a lot of fancy features but do you want to find things or watch color TV,LOL! They are tools that we need for our hobby and the main tool is our detector and our brain and all the fancy stuff is great but as soon as the depth increases the fancy stuff doesn't work, then it's up to what your detector and brain is telling you, the vision is having a delayed response so after you pass a target it sounds off that's what people are saying who tried it so how well will that work in trash,it's trying to show you so many things at once it's having a hard time doing what it's supposed to do find targets,And it still boils down to one thing the operator ! I'm sure the vision is a great machine and with the right person operating it will find stuff but I also think the explorer or e-trac will do better with a person with less experience and I still think the minelabs will go deeper with the right person operating them and i think they will separate goodies from trash better but that's my opinion.I have a DFX here and an e-trac and explorer 2 and I haven't had much experience with the e-trac it had to go back to kellyco because the screen had a scratch in it but it will be back monday so next week i will put some time on it.I have used the dfx and explorer and the explorer is deeper and i think the vision is a dfx with an added frequency and color display,well i'm sure we will hear enough about the vision in the next month or so from people like us not whites dealers who want to sell them to make a conclusion but as far as I'm concerned minelab RULES! Take care happy hunting Ron
 
I have only been on the forum for a short while but WOW facts really get skewed here and lots of blurted statements are taken as factual. Yeah the V forum sponsors appear a little bit defensive and have removed mine and other posts about comparisons. Don't make more out of it than it is. Yes some Minlab technology patent expired and whites was able to use more of the Minlab technology in the Vision...that is called competition and shouldn't be a big surprise as lots of products improve that way. There is some great information and operation displays showing up on the forums and I am reading everything I can about the functions, likes, dislikes and performances of both machines that I can on the forums. If you don't know which one to get then I suggest you get neither. Hardly any dealers have the V in yet so you ll have to wait to buy it anyway. In the meantime put pressure on the Guys who do have Visions and E tracs to show you more of the machines and how different they are from each other...who knows you might find out you'd rather keep the machine you already have!
 
utahshovelhead said:
I have only been on the forum for a short while but WOW facts really get skewed here and lots of blurted statements are taken as factual. Yeah the V forum sponsors appear a little bit defensive and have removed mine and other posts about comparisons. Don't make more out of it than it is. Yes some Minlab technology patent expired and whites was able to use more of the Minlab technology in the Vision...that is called competition and shouldn't be a big surprise as lots of products improve that way. There is some great information and operation displays showing up on the forums and I am reading everything I can about the functions, likes, dislikes and performances of both machines that I can on the forums. If you don't know which one to get then I suggest you get neither. Hardly any dealers have the V in yet so you ll have to wait to buy it anyway. In the meantime put pressure on the Guys who do have Visions and E tracs to show you more of the machines and how different they are from each other...who knows you might find out you'd rather keep the machine you already have!
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Your right we should be able to express our opinions ! Afterall we are the people that buy and use them and if you listen to the dealers and there reps we get what they want us to hear to sell their machines.PS Do you have a shovelhead? I have a twin cam Ron
 
That's a very healthy way to have the forum. It just human nature way to try and understand a new machine from a known set of reference points. Nothing more and nothing less.
Mick Evans.
 
I had the Vision on order and decided to hold off for now. My e-trac has found many silver coins in areas where we have hunted hard and I like it very well. Just was going to give the vision a try, but after seeing how guys get kicked of the V forum for asking a few question ,well I will wait. In my opinion they are hurting Whites sales a little bit. What does asking and comparing hurt. One time I got a signal with my brand A and a buddy had a more expensive detector, brand B. He could not get a good signal and we dug and it was a barber quarter. Same thing happened another time with same 2 brands but different operator other than myself. It turned out it was a barber dime. Now is that comparing or learning????? Vision police should lighten up a bit in my opinion..
 
"who knows you might find out you'd rather keep the machine you already have!"

Best thing I seen posted in awhile :)
 
Schwein! Ve know vere you lif, und ve haf vays to make you talk...and to shutten up ze mouth!

For anyone who needs it spelled out, think about the name of the forum "Findmall". It's a site about finding things but also note the mall part. Who sponsors the forums? Those who make the beepers (and sell them). Thus, they do not like to see anything that could be considered a dig at their merchandise as they feel this hurts sales.

But honestly everyone has their own opinion no matter what the forum police do. I may think detector A is great and wouldn't part with it, and you may think detector B is better and that detector A sucks and so do I. My opinion is hey that's your right, more power to you. But apparently the sponsors feel very threatened by anything like that for some reason. I see it as just being life.

And as a side note, it gets you to thinking you ought to be questioning any detector reviews you read in a magazine. Who sponsors the magazine? Sure you pay for it, but by and large, it's sponsored by the advertising of the detector makers. If they are threatened by us talking about their machines on a forum on the internet, imagine their reaction if a reviewer were to honestly come right out and say "This machine is a piece of garbage don't waste your money on it". Have you ever once seen such a review on any machine, or for that matter can you recall even seeing any true criticism of any machine? I can't. Just food for thought here. And frankly no one was even saying things like that, they were just comparing machines. I guess if these guys are so threatened by that, maybe they'd love Red China as they know how to deal with anyone who dares to speak his mind. Might want to check it out guys; your friendly minder will be sure you never see anything you shouldn't and in time you'll train yourself to think the party line :) Hey that works in corporate America too by the way.

Have fun all.
 
I have both. I have hunted the XLT, DFX, Explorer, and Explorer II, ETrac (and now the Vision). Which is best really comes down to 2 things, what type of hunting you are doing and personal preference. Hunting with a Minelab and hunting with a Whites is completely different, even with all of the customizations of each. Not to get into a Ford/Chevy type of debate here it is more like car vs truck. There are times a car is a better fit and there are times a truck is better. Some people like cars, some like trucks. Both will handle day to day travel.
The Vision so far seems very neat, there is a ton of customization with the unit. I really feel (this is MY opinion) that the Whites machines are easier to pick up and detect with for someone who has no experience. The Minelabs take a bit more knowledge or learning at first for someone to feel comfortable with it. Now for a beginner I think the Vision may have an edge, as a newbie will have less chance of being frustrated with the unit. Don't get me wrong the Etrac can be a turn on and go detector, I just feel that the Whites with it's intuitive displays is a bit more user friendly and less intimidating to a non technical person (btw I am a techie). Now once you are past the crawling phase with either detector they really are both good. I have more time on my Etrac as I just purchased the Whites but I believe the Vision can hold its own. It is much more customizable than any previous Whites'. It does seem to have more bells and whistles that the ETrac. That is not saying they are all needed or good bells and whistles, more things to be able to change can be a major problem for a lot of people. I really need to spend more time on it using it in different environments before I can give anything conclusive on the key factors that most people serious about in this hobby care about. That is depth, target separation, target accuracy and being able to tell targets apart. I think it it still too soon to tell and if I had to make a decision right now on just one.... well I would not want to be in that position :poke:
I think you need to give it more time but remember this.... there are people that are going to swear by the Vision and the people that will swear by the ETrac. The best thing you could do is give both a try if there is a way to do that. You really need to decide for yourself whether your life style.... um I mean hunting style is with a car or a truck.... um I mean Vision or Etrac. Good luck either way, and oh if you are anywhere near southern NJ I would be glad to meet up with you to let you try both out!
 
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