etrac tones

[jonhls]

Ok,I have been an explorer 2 user for 3 years and just swirched to etra.HAve a few questions
!.I am struggling to dermine if i have dime or penny signal by tone...well by number for that matter eirther.Tones are the same and the pennies are coming in at 12-44 dimes in at 12-45.I hate digging all the pennies...am i missing something.
@.Found a nice sterling cross IS definatly sterling hallmarked...rang as 12-38 sounded like an ih
3> was curious what a silver dollar sounded like so i threw 1922 on the ground read a 1-31....can that be right...sure didnt give a dig tone....i will try a half dollar tomorrow.
I am finding pennies indians and nickles with no problem but silver is scarce,im sure i just am not putting coil over it but am curious if the tones are that much different between the 2 machines with both running stock programs...thanx and hh jon

 

[mike - in]

You need to take the top right corner of the discrimination pattern out to get good response and tone on large silver.

 

[EZrider]

Silver dimes will be 12-46 and higher. They will bounce sometimes. The only way they will be lower than 46 is if there is trash close to it. Penney's read 12-45 and lower. When the tone has you stop and take a look. As you circle around the target wiggle your coil over it. If 75% of that circle is 12-45 or lower its more than likely a Penney.

PS New shalpw clad dimes will read 12-45.

EZ

 

[sharpshooter]

Jon, you will not be able to differentiate between copper cents and dimes (silver or clad) with any degree of certainty with the E-Trac. The TDI numbers are just too close. Worn Barber dimes are notorious for reading 12 - 43 or 12 - 44, especially if they're deep. Some copper cents with a nice halo around them will sometimes read 12 - 45; so, you can see the problem with trying to tell the difference.

 

[EZrider]

Jon, you will not be able to differentiate between copper cents and dimes (silver or clad) with any degree of certainty with the E-Trac. The TDI numbers are just too close. Worn Barber dimes are notorious for reading 12 - 43 or 12 - 44, especially if they're deep. Some copper cents with a nice halo around them will sometimes read 12 - 45; so, you can see the problem with trying to tell the difference.

This must be because of location and/or soil. For me its off by one number. 45 and lower is a penny. 46 and higher is a dime. This has been correct 98% of the time for me. Barbers, Mercs and Rosies.

Its really something you get used to over time. And in your area.

 

[sharpshooter]

Jon, you will not be able to differentiate between copper cents and dimes (silver or clad) with any degree of certainty with the E-Trac. The TDI numbers are just too close. Worn Barber dimes are notorious for reading 12 - 43 or 12 - 44, especially if they're deep. Some copper cents with a nice halo around them will sometimes read 12 - 45; so, you can see the problem with trying to tell the difference.

This must be because of location and/or soil. For me its off by one number. 45 and lower is a penny. 46 and higher is a dime. This has been correct 98% of the time for me. Barbers, Mercs and Rosies.

Its really something you get used to over time. And in your area.

I should have added that the numbers I posted are not the norm. But they do happen often enough that you wouldn't want to bypass those targets thinking they are copper cents when a small percentage of those will be silver. At least that's been my experience. The original question was can you tell the difference by tone. I cannot, so I dig them all.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

In our area and soil Sharpshooter is right. I can't tell by sound or #'s 100% of the time either. If I get a nice high tone and a 12-45/46 i do get more excited!! I have dug silver at 12-42 that I would have swore was a wheat or copper. You just NEVER know for sure till you dig it. I have found that sound is WAY more important than the #'s, specially with iron or trash near.

Sharpshooter is "THE MAN" around here. He has definitely put in his time and knows his stuff!

 

[Ray-Mo.]

I find clad dimes at shallower depths can be ID-ed by tone and numbers quite effectively in most of my local soils.Zincs are easier yet to ID for me.Silver dimes are the easiest for me to ID by tone even at depth with very good accuracy.Even when the numbers are off a bit because of depth,on edge positioning or near by trash the tones in( multi tone )are very distinct to my ears.When I hit a silver coin it is like a alarm goes off in my earphones screaming SILVER,SILVER DIG ME!
Two coins close together will sometimes fool me into thinking dime or silver.I can say with complete honesty that I rarely dig silver without calling it right first.Once in a great while I will dig a target thinking it is silver and be fooled but rarely.When I am fooled it is usually by a nice 1"-2" piece of copper tubing or similar copper item.Older Wheaties are easy to tell from silver by both tones and numbers 99% of the time.
Remember that I am using multi-tones in conductive mode for my coin hunting and run my variability at 28-30 and use Sunray Pro Gold phones for my results.This combination works the best for me and puts the silver signals at a very high warble/pitch for my hearing .Some people have better ears for tonal ranges than others with some doing better at the higher end like myself while others do better at the lower pitches and will prefer them.

 

[Jack Flynn]

I find clad dimes at shallower depths can be ID-ed by tone and numbers quite effectively in most of my local soils.Zincs are easier yet to ID for me.Silver dimes are the easiest for me to ID by tone even at depth with very good accuracy.Even when the numbers are off a bit because of depth,on edge positioning or near by trash the tones in( multi tone )are very distinct to my ears.When I hit a silver coin it is like a alarm goes off in my earphones screaming SILVER,SILVER DIG ME!
Two coins close together will sometimes fool me into thinking dime or silver.I can say with complete honesty that I rarely dig silver without calling it right first.Once in a great while I will dig a target thinking it is silver and be fooled but rarely.When I am fooled it is usually by a nice 1"-2" piece of copper tubing or similar copper item.Older Wheaties are easy to tell from silver by both tones and numbers 99% of the time.
Remember that I am using multi-tones in conductive mode for my coin hunting and run my variability at 28-30 and use Sunray Pro Gold phones for my results.This combination works the best for me and puts the silver signals at a very high warble/pitch for my hearing .Some people have better ears for tonal ranges than others with some doing better at the higher end like myself while others do better at the lower pitches and will prefer them.

I think Ray just hit on something that can contribute to some of the pitches not sounding different. Good quality headphones really make a difference. The TID is dead on at 45 co for a dime, 44 for an older penny not a wheat, they'll be 42 and sometimes 43 co. Zincs will just about always bring in a 36- 38 co depending on what shape they are in. A quarter for me is always a 46 co. I get a different tone for each one I can differentiate.

 

[EZrider]

I find clad dimes at shallower depths can be ID-ed by tone and numbers quite effectively in most of my local soils.Zincs are easier yet to ID for me.Silver dimes are the easiest for me to ID by tone even at depth with very good accuracy.Even when the numbers are off a bit because of depth,on edge positioning or near by trash the tones in( multi tone )are very distinct to my ears.When I hit a silver coin it is like a alarm goes off in my earphones screaming SILVER,SILVER DIG ME!
Two coins close together will sometimes fool me into thinking dime or silver.I can say with complete honesty that I rarely dig silver without calling it right first.Once in a great while I will dig a target thinking it is silver and be fooled but rarely.When I am fooled it is usually by a nice 1"-2" piece of copper tubing or similar copper item.Older Wheaties are easy to tell from silver by both tones and numbers 99% of the time.
Remember that I am using multi-tones in conductive mode for my coin hunting and run my variability at 28-30 and use Sunray Pro Gold phones for my results.This combination works the best for me and puts the silver signals at a very high warble/pitch for my hearing .Some people have better ears for tonal ranges than others with some doing better at the higher end like myself while others do better at the lower pitches and will prefer them.

I think Ray just hit on something that can contribute to some of the pitches not sounding different. Good quality headphones really make a difference. The TID is dead on at 45 co for a dime, 44 for an older penny not a wheat, they'll be 42 and sometimes 43 co. Zincs will just about always bring in a 36- 38 co depending on what shape they are in. A quarter for me is always a 46 co. I get a different tone for each one I can differentiate.

I have my Variability at 28 with Grey Ghost ultimates. I too can hear the difference in multi between the two. I couldn't at first but after some time and getting my ears used to it . As far as the numbers go it depends on what settings are turned on. I hunt in Fast off and Trash low, ground difficult if Auto sens is below 21. If i switch Fast to on the ID isn't as accurate. I also found this to be true with the trash setting. Turn them both on and well you get the picture.

Good post Ray. You put it in words that i couldn't.

 

[jonhls]

Well thats good to know,I thought maybe it was just me or my machine.Its going to take me a little getting used to but ill figure it out.thanx jon

 

[terrywl]

I picked up a 28s Merc. Sat in heavy trash that read 12/45 using a 15" WOT and Grey Ghost Ultimates. It was my only coin and it was very deep. Signal disappeared. Scratched it somehow. Still my first silver in months, but back to this topic. There are so many variables with a coin in the ground that I think you need to dig ALL possible coin signals. Your wheat may be a 14D or even the holy grail of wheats. It may be a 58, or a 78 for that matter. I can't tell the difference. By sound or #'s. My point is that unless you are one of the exceptional hunters don't pass by a good signal because it's # is not what you want it to be. IMHO.

 

[ziphius]

You need to take the top right corner of the discrimination pattern out to get good response and tone on large silver.

That's right! The stock coin disc pattern will knock out silver halves! Open up that screen!

 

[EZrider]

This is a great post from the Explorer fourm on here. http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,961959