F75 LDT and 1 Tone ???s

[grumpy]

For using the 1 tone setting and the stock coil on the f75 ltd if the coil would make any difference. The question is what sens? and what program? bp, de, ect? ? I am tending to think the less sounds the less confusion since hearing is so bad.? Hunting mostly school yards and parks for clad and jewelery with LOTS of trash.?
Any opinions greatly appreciated.
Grumpy

 

[jim tn]

I mostly use 3h and 4h tones and the occasional 2f. I feel I get more information with one of the multi tones and don't have to check vdi readings all the time. I seldom use de any more and use bp for most types of hunting. For clad hunting I'll use a sen. of 65 or so, 0 disc. and 3h tones. For my old ears, hits in bp and 0 disc just appear crisper in these settings. If emi is a poblem, then I move disc. to 6 and if necessary, lower sen. even more. If the site has the age for silver, I am in bp, 0 disc. and 90 up sen. Again, in 3h and 4h tones. HH jim tn

 

[grumpy]

Thanks for the info; I have tried the 3x and 4x but with my hearing I get a confusion and have to constantly watch the meter but seems with 1 or 2F it ant to bad. My hearing is sound confusion instead of jus sound loss so I think its actually a mental hearing dis. not just a hearing dis and it causes sounds to be heard but not clearly understood or take a few more mili seconds to sort it out than normal people which makes the multi tones all run together. Hope that is not confusing anyone (like it does me) It took me a long time to find out and figure out it was more than hearing loss.
I also have a problem understanding the sens under 30 and 30 and above? I like the quite and all of 29 but do you lose targets going down to the sens of 29 when you are doing parks and school ground where coins are 5 inches or less as a rule?? newer places.
???
Also wonder about the 6.5 elip coil is it as good as that size is on other machines? It has been a past favorite of mine and plan on one.
Thanks
Grumpy and Happy hunting to all;

 

[jim tn]

Grumpy, I think I know where you are coming from on the tones. As far as the low gain, 29 and under, it will definately hit a 5" deep coin. I have both the 6 1/2" and 5" coils and like the 5" a little better. The 6 1/2" elliptical does, though, cover a little more ground and goes very deep for its size. HH jim tn

 

[tvr]

Grumpy,
I am very used to the 3H tones since that is the same tone set up as the CZ's that I have ... and I hear you on looking for something easy to hear. 2F gives tone information and is still pretty straight forward. I have tried 1 and it just does not seem as expressive as the single tone (so called beep and dig) detectors I have, so I don't really care for the F75LTD single tone.

For mode, I pretty much run BP all the time. Have tried other modes; for school yards and parks and pretty much everywhere, I prefer BP.

I kind of like the 6 inch elliptical coil in the school yards. For me it gets closer to those mesh or rebar reenforced sidewalks than the 5 inch coil does. It works well at the lower sensitivity settings and at higher ones too. As the sensitivity goes up, you have to work just a bit further out from the posts and sidewalk edges.

Both small coils let you really work well in the trash. I run the sensitivity where it isn't too chatty and have found depth to be good even with sensitivity settings well below 30. There is one ball field that I hunt regularly that I used to have to turn the sensitivity down around 10 to handle the EMI near the concession stand. They must have replaced the bad power distribution panel; last time I was there, the limiting factor was not the EMI from the power panel, it was how much of the tiny pieces of aluminum foil I wanted to light up ... sensitivity was now around 45 to 50.
Cheers,
tvr

 

[jbow]

I ran the LTD last week in BP, 1-tone, disc=20, sens around 75-80.... it was very stable and quiet. I was in an old churchyard and dug several wheaties including a 1914 and a 1917 and a coiple from the 1950s. Several rosies and a silverplated earring... a couple of nickels too.

I really liked it running that way. Sometimes I like to run the disc lower but for what you are hunting... 20 is fine. You may miss some small gold but not much. You may get away with running it on 12-15 disc and not miss anything good. You can try gridding an area, hunt it this way then try it in 2F and disc=6, then 1-tone disc=0 for the final check... maybe a 10x10 area. Then you'll know.

J

 

[Low-Boy/LCPM]

Mono tone is the way to go for the best unmasking, in iron..nails. disc about six no higher and sens as high as you can go...BP mode

 

[chuck ky]

does 6 disc. eliminate the iron. if not how can it unmask when the good target and the bad target sound the same. thanks.

 

[jbow]

No it doesn't eliminate all the iron, just some of it. You can go up to 12 or a little higher without missing much. It is according to what and where you are hunting. You may lose a little small gold but you wont lose any buttons, bullets, or coins and you'll still get most jewelry. If I run 1-tone I run 15 to 20 disc, otherwise I get a crick in my neck from constantly watching the screen to see the numbers... if you run 1-tone and disc=6... you may as well run AM.

J

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Like Jim I also mostly use 3, 3h and 4h tones and the occasional 2f.

Unfortunately the funky angle of the F75 LTD makes it difficult to stay glued to the screen when having to rely on the TID vs the tones (which with monotone of 2F tones is a must). I've yet to play around much with the 1/1F tone....might be a good option for demo hunting out here with thick iron though.

 

[chuck ky]

i would still think it would be better to have a tone for the iron so you can decide if you want to dig it or not.

 

[grumpy]

First thanks to all for the information it was very useful to help me work out my personal choices;
Im not sure how many of you guys and ladys are hearing impaired but there are hundreds of types of hearing problems Im sure; I have a hearing problem which is much more a mind thing I think than a ear thing ; Sound confusions is one term used to describe I think for lack of knowledge of what is really wrong. My hearing is generally good to a single sound or calm voice pointing at me; My hearing impossible with lots of sounds coming at me and such but with fast sounds, multi sounds ect I can not seperate anything. If I talk to someone on the phone that talks fast : Forget it. If Im in a crowd and three are talking at once forget that too. I hear them all but can t make out what the sounds are actually. I personally think due to another medical issue I have that it is a mind thing where the mind cant seperate or process some things fast as it used to.. Perhaps even some age thing.
Anyhow to the short point The 2 f is not bad for me but 3x is a little worse (more chirps and such) BUT when I just go to one tone I seem to really get the program going better and have a much more peaceful hunt. The sound does not get anoying or confusing even when sever trash which is what I get most of the time. And the meter haveing to look at it. It makes me no difference which program im in my pitch capability is not good enough to tell much more than a quater from a chunk of iron. all the dif in between is out and those are even iffy. So i always have to concentrate on the numbers.
SO people who are hearing impaired might give it a try and see if Im the only one.?
Thanks for all the info. Really appreciate it
Grumpy

 

[jbow]

I know exactly what you mean. I get confused with a lot of sounds or if someone isn't talking right to me, especially if the TV is on... forget it, you are going to have to repeat yourseld after you have let me know you are talking to me. My wife has a habit of beginning to talk to me as she is coming down the stairs or as she is leaving another room... and I NEVER know what she is saying.

That is probably one reason that the Explorer never made sense to me in conductive sounds/multi-tones.... I could not understand it. I run the E-TRAC in ferrous/2tones and I "get" it. I run the F75/T2 in either 1 tone or 2F if unless there is very few targets.. and then still, what's the use , I find 1 tone is better for me. I was running the F75 LTD in1 tone and disc=20 last week and it was a pleasure tou use and I made some good finds.. at one place. At another place yesterday, it was useless. That, IMO, is the one weakness of the F75 LTD... you go somewhere and it may run like a dream.. somewhere wlse it may drive you mad.

AM is quieter for 1 tone use if you are using low or no disc though. I always notice this when I Fastgrab in AM. I will get many more signals in disc with disc=0 than I will in AM. That is using BP mode.

Julien

 

[grumpy]

Just a little update or report on the subject; Been hunting the past week at one tone, BP and 29 sens with a disc of 24 most of the time. Using stock 11 inch coil and trashy school yard. The results have been very good, finding things I have been over many times with the minelabs and garretts and the sound is much more peaceful. I also find the meter very accurate on this machine when it hits a solid nickel number it is usually a nickel and when it gets above a 58 it is most likely a coin if it stabalizes.
Now one question ; what is the average range of #s on gold rings or is this question ansewerable? I block 24 down but are there may chances of gold jewelry below that number?? all I ever find is taco bell sause down there in the teens??
Thanks
Grumpy

 

[jim tn]

I've found 3 gold rings with my LTD. 1 was a ladies 14k and it locked on 30. Another was a men's 10k band and it bounced a bit between 28 and 32. The last one was a 1940 10k ladies class ring with part of the band broken off. That one read in the lower 60's and it was a good 7" deep. I was hunting a spot that had the age for IH's and older coins, so I dug it. I dig most nickel range tid's that aren't all that bouncy and did qiute well on gold with my regular F 75 just digging the nickel range numbers. I know, though, I am missing small gold by not digging some low to middle and upward 20 range numbers. HH jim tn

 

[marcomo]

I'm with you, Jim. Giving up small gold is a small price to pay for giving up foil...I absoutely hate digging foil.