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First Hunt with my T2 SE

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Wesley

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Well, I went back out to my trusty farm in Hanover County, VA that has produced on every trip out. This being no exception. I took the T2 SE out over my Tejon and Etrac. I balanced the machine and off I went with my uncle who was using his Minelab Explorer. Well, I had to stay twenty yards away to even think about hunting without massive EMI, no kidding! The trash is bad in some areas, but I have pulled relics out of it with my Tejon and Etrac (more so with the Tejon) The T2 drove me crazy even when I turned the sens down to 60. No wires, no electrical devices anywhere. Further out in the field where the ground is much cleaner the T2 SE did better. I started finding Civil War Bullets in the 70-72 range about 5-6 inches deep. Not bad, but not the depth I was hearing about from T2 guys or other forums. Boost Mode was out of the question at this place for some reason, to much interference...AGAIN to electrical devices and no hot rocks, maybe just maybe it was my boots or something I was wearing....never had this problem before so?

I did better in the field than my uncle did with his Explorer, but the depth was not there like I thought. Honestly, my Tejon was and is hitting 7 to 10" depth with ease without interference.

Now to the woods and I took a beating by the Explorer. We got into a spot where we hit a nice pocket of minies. The ground was very nice loam. My uncle was just nailing the relics with some depths up to 10" that the T2 SE could not even hit, even in boost mode. PO'ed, yes very much so. I put the detector down twenty yards away and watch him dig a bullet. This happened five times in an hour. Explorer hit soft but good enough for me to dig and the T2 SE nothing! WOW, what have I done? I got a Minelab in the truck (Etrac)...do I run back a half mile to trade detectors? Well, no I stuck with it. I finally hit a few of my own, but at shallower depth 4-6". What is going on here? This great detector with so much hype and basically a $1000.00 is not even picking up lead at 10" in moist loam? What the H***?

Okay, let me review my hunt in detail. I found eight minies and actually tied my uncle at the end of the day.

1. T2 SE did better in the field than the Explorer (at this site) This is a cultivated soybean field with sandy loam. Depth was good, not great and no better than my Tejon.

2. The weight and balance was great and not a factor with arm fatigue.

3. The Explorer destroyed me in the woods. Even when the Explorer found the relics, the T2 SE would not pick it up no matter what setting I used or sens level I used. 60 to 99 nothing! Boost mode, 1, +1, 2 +2, 3, 4, ect......NOTHING! Then to stand there and watch a minie pop right out at 10".

4. The EMI was crazy at times, but I was told about this and expected nothing less.

5. Using my Garret pin pointer, HAHAHA got to take the headphones off to do this or POP POP POP POP POP is all you hear. Sensitive machine for sure.

6. Seeing is believing and I feel that the Explorer performed better even tho we scored the same amount of relics. No need for pictures of the bullets, seen one seen them all. This was about the T2 SE and its performance against a quality machine in the same environment.

7. Battery life excellent and to watch the Explorer suck battery life like gatorade in the summer. I love that! Nice to have a machine that gets good battery life.

You say, hey first hunt and you need to learn the machine. I get it and I understand that also. Not my first rodeo and how do you say, "this is a awesome machine the best!" when you watch someone dig a relic right in front of that your machine would not even break, pop, or click on? Very hard to give the T2 five stars with that performance. I am not going to give the T2 a bad, do not buy review either. It was very impressive in the field, not the best I've seen but good enough for me. I will be keeping my Etrac and my Tejon. I know that time and use will make things better, maybe so? Experience is always the best teacher. I am just going by what I saw yesterday and that was the Explorer pulling relics right in front of me that the T2 SE could not touch. Just my honest view and opinion!

Thanks!

Wes-N-VA
 
Could be an easy answer, silent EMI masking from the Explorer couses the T2 SE to lose depth. That's right, silent EMI. The multifrequency machines really interfere a lot, and even when you think you're out of range, there is still an effect.
Did your friend turn the explorer off when you double checked his signals or did he just step aside? If he did turn it off, the only explanation is the soil condition. The explorer will go deeper in highly mineralized ground. What did the T2 SE GB at? What was the FE readout?

Thats all I can think off, under good conditions the SE will be able to hit a mini at 10" without a problem.
 
I agree with Brawler. Multi-frequency Minelabs DO interefere with Teknetics/Fishers and Tek/Fishers DO NOT cause problems for the Minelabs.
 
I tried everything and had my uncle even turn off his Explorer. I even turned my T2SE off and re-balanced the machine and went back at it. Still nothing and to hear that whistle from that Minelab just angered me more. I really thought that more guys would chime in on this site? Guess everyone hear, besides you guys and Monte, are just park hunters looking for modern clad coins and other modern stuff? I guess I need to post on the Civil War or Relic site to get some possible answers or honest reviews? I am not throwing the Teknetics brand under the bus, but I am not loyal to one detector either. Like I said, I have an Etrac and Tejon. I have also been the owner of two White's and all the Explorer models as they have come out, each with thier own set of pros and cons. I just gave an honest report from an honest experience. Heck, next time it could be me digging 10" and my uncle trying everything under the moon with his Explorer to try and dig a relic at 10".

59 views and 2 responses, not what I expected from a forum that praises the T2 and the Teknetics brand. Sad!

Respectfully,

Wes
 
Try BP in All Metal when you re getting too much noise, Boost should be quieter in AM than in disc.

J
 
Quick question. Didnt see in your post that you tried a frequency shift to help emi. That seems to help allot. Did you try it?
 
n/t
 
Wes, most of your views are probably from ppl like me that don't own a T2 SE (and quite possibly by ppl that dont even own a teknetics but read the forum anyway) but looked at your thread to see what you had found, then if there was some type of reply re-read to see what else had been commented on, and if I had to guess the majority of the ppl that have a T2 SE are probably at work now so arent available to comment on your post (I work graveyard so I get to see what happens during the day) so please be patient and you'll probably have some other ppl try to help you with your problem. Good luck with finding out what the problem is. Jimmie
 
n/t
 
Wes, If you have not already, I would suggest posting this on Tom Dankowskis forum. I am a relic hunter also, and although I do not own a T2 SE..I do own an Omega and I have dug minies with it down to 9"...and that is with the stock elliptical coil.. T2 SE definetely should do beter than that. It may be possible the detector has a problem. I have recently read a post from a guy with a Fisher F75 LTD who was getting no depth...problem was a bad coil. Just my thoughts. Bill
 
Do you think the coil is bad when it works at the 6" level fairly well? I hope it is not that, but something that did not cross my mind. Thanks!
 
I left my cell phone in the truck because I was told about the interference that could cause. Thanks for the advice!
 
Hey Wesley --

I do not own a T2 SE, I have a Fisher F70 which has alot of similarities; haven't had it for long, but I did a TON of research before I bought and I know many people hunting with F75 LTDs and T2 LTDs. What you are saying is NOT right. Something sounds wrong there. I can't speculate on what, though coil issue sounds possible.

Did you buy it new, or used? If new, I am sure First Texas will take a look at it for you (you would have a 5-year warranty on it). Even if used, I'd call them and plead your case.

One thing you could try is some air testing. I know there are several folks with T2 SEs that would help you to know if your air test results are similar/in the ballpark with theirs. That's not an "end-all" answer, but if you air test significantly less than some others do, it my be a further confirmation that something is wrong with your unit.

With my F70, I can air-test a quarter, running about 80-85 sens., at over 14". Similar air-test distances should be acquired by you with your T2.

Steve
 
using a standard T2 w/11" BiAxial DD coil, fresh set of batteries with less than 15 minutes use, Sensitivity at '80' and Discrimination at the default setting of '10' in '1' Tone ID. I worked near a business with some torn up ground and nearby overhead power lines. It was still stable at a Sensitivity of '80' but too chattery at '85' to '90.'

Depth on a located US 25
 
Some good advice from everyone. To sum it up:

1. Do an air test on standard targets (outdoors and remember to post the settings), can use coins for better cross detector comparisons.
A. If your airtests are on par with others on here it was either bad dirt or EMI.
B. If they are not, then it's the detector.

Pretty basic test, hopefully we can get to the bottom of this. Perhaps your soil hunting conditions are more suited for multi-frequency machines.

Finally, don't want to open up a can of worms with Monte's comments, but having fresh batteries or batteries that have been in the machine for a number of hours doesn't make much of a difference if any in my view, as long as the detector is running it's getting the juice it needs to operate properly, once the voltage threshold falls below a certain line, thats when it tells you, low battery, and you will get reduced performance.
 
Brawler_7 said:
Finally, don't want to open up a can of worms with Monte's comments, but having fresh batteries or batteries that have been in the machine for a number of hours doesn't make much of a difference if any in my view, as long as the detector is running it's getting the juice it needs to operate properly, once the voltage threshold falls below a certain line, thats when it tells you, low battery, and you will get reduced performance.
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I don't think I said anything about batteries or battery power or any such topic. I'm with you, that usually you're not going to have any drastic difference in performance until batteries get weak. Sometimes some makes/models will have a little loss of performance when they are very low, just before any 'warning' suggestion, but for the most part they aren't the cause for concern here.

Anyway, I only replied once to this thread (before this, so I know I didn't bring up batteries.

Monte
 
You mentioned "using a standard T2 w/11" BiAxial DD coil, fresh set of batteries with less than 15 minutes use"

But seems like we both agree on this anyways, so no really point in discussing it further. And I also think that "some makes/models will have a little loss of performance when they are very low", but it's hard to measure and know which ones. My point was just that we can probably rule out batteries as the issue in the poor performance of the T2 in the case above.

Happy hunting
 
Well, the answer here is not the problem. In some areas where the ground is bad or good, Some detectors just do not do well where others do. There is no perfect detector. I have read all the post here on this subject, seems we have a bit of stand off. I have gone and done testing, where another brand of detector and the one I was using where pitted head to head. The other detector found the target and mine would not even hear or see it. But in some cases, dropping my setting down I found the target and in others my detector said trash. Now on the other hand, some targets I found, theirs didn't hear or either. Dirt is not dirt everywhere. You must know your detector and how it works and in your area, then you will know if you are missing anything. But please believe you always miss something.
 
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