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Have you figured out that the T2 has 2 levels of zero discrimination?

Mike Hillis

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This is important to understanding the T2.

Nearly all machines show the iron range as the very first conductive range on the discriminatory scale. Zero discrimination is acceptance of the iron range. There are machines with various degrees of iron acceptance, but the end result is the same; iron acceptance.

On the T2, the iron discriminatory range is 10-40. So a setting of 10 on the T2 is the same as a zero discriminatory setting we are familiar with on all other machines. This is the first zero discrimination level.

Unique to the T2 is the ability to go below iron into the mineral range, which is the 0-9 discriminatory settings. This can be technically considered to be a sub-zero disc range that is totally wide open and very susceptible to outside electrical effects as well as the internal noise of the T2 circuitry itself. This is the second zero discriminatory range. A discrimination setting of 0 on the T2 opens the T2 to receive any and all signals, including it's own circuitry noise. Once you understand this it becomes much easier to set up a stable T2 as regards to electrical interference.

This is how I am achieving stable setups:

With the coil held flat and unmoving on the ground, I select my primary tone id/target processing mode, then turn my sensitivity and discrimination settings both to zero.

I begin raising my sens setting until I start to just hear noise. I find that in my areas that it doesn't take much, usually somewhere around a sens setting of 15-25 before I start picking up electrical interference noise. I adjust my sens setting down a number or two so that the noise is barely coming through and at this point I run through the frequency selections to find the one that works best. I have found that doing the freq check at this level ensures that I am choosing the best one because I'm not overpowering the circuit, which in turn, lets me really hear which one works the best. If you can't tell as you cycle through them, then your sens level it too high and you need to back it down another number.

Once I've selected the quietest frequency, then I raise my discrimination setting to 10 (full iron acceptance or zero discrimination). Now I raise my sensitivity settings until I hear noise again and then back off a number or two until its quiet. I have now set my machine stable as far as electrical interference is concerned.

This easily lets me raise my sensitivity up into the high 70s, low 80's with no noise from electrical interference. Now, if the ground will let me, I can raise my disc up to around 25 and increase my sensitivity into the 90s and still remain stable. Thats IF the ground will let me.

The T2 is so sensitive to small and tiny targets (it is a gold machine after all) that the 'small signal' ground responses may force you to lower your sensitivity lower than required by electrical interference.

Switching to All metal mode, start with sens and hum level both at 0. Then raise the sens until you hear noise. Once you hear noise, raise your hum level until it runs steady and covers the noise. Then raise your sens level again until you hear noise. Then again raise your hum level until it 'hums' steady. I do this until I reach a hum level that I choose not to go beyond. For me, I typically stop when I reach a hum level of +3, which so far allow me to achieve higher sensitivity levels as regards to electrical interference. Then the ground always has the final say as to if I can keep it that high or not.

Remember. Electrical interference is adjusted to with a motionless coil. Ground interference is checked with coil in motion. If your detector is quiet when it is held still, you are not hearing electrical interference.

Hope this helps someone.

HH

Mike
 
And your post has merit however (Unique to the T2 is the ability to go below iron into the mineral range, which is the 0-9 discriminatory settings.) heck an XLT for one you can go down to -95, perhaps I am reading it wrong..In any case surely a nice post relative to setting up....
 
A don't have any experience with the XLT, but I do have experience with the DFX. The nonferrous range is the positive numbers and the iron or ferrous range is the negative numbers. Just the scale they use. So on these two units iron runs -1 to -95. That would correspond to the 10-40 range on the T2.

- 95 would be full iron acceptance on the XLT/DFX which corresponds to a setting of 10 on the T2.

HH
 
Certainly good info Mike as I didn't realize it myself. Keep the good post coming as we all learn and never can know too much about the hobby or for that matter a particuliar unit.....your contributions to the forum are surely appreciated T-2 to me me seems like a user friendly unit, but the more we know about the new kid on the block the more proficient we can be...
 
Hello Mike.

Just read your post, and thought I should draw your attention the probability that the T2 isn't unique in its zero 'below iron' facility.

If you have a White's DFX, and wave a piece of ferrite (size and perm. dependant),at the coil, you will see that it correctly shows minus 94 on its signagraph.
This is as far as any detecting system may go indicatively speaking, into the ferrous quadrant.
As most owners of a DFX know (or XLT), the average iron target generally registers in the minus 65 range on their machine. That is because iron objects have a moderately high degree of conductivity besides their ferro magnetic component.
Whereas, most man-made ferrite has a relatively low conductivity.
The degree of AC conductivity associated with any metals or conductive media is of course related to the frequency of the applied flux.

I haven't got a T2 yet, but had the opportunity to use a friends last night for about an hour. In two hours of detecting we recovered 80 coins. I was impressed how quickly one learned to associated tones for the targets. I found the pin-pointing a breeze. Best depth was about seven inches, in a soil registering a variable 60 range. There was no indication of Fe. The sense was only set to a moderate level.
I really enjoyed the experience.......MattR.UK
 
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Re: Negative numbers on the XLT and DFX are the iron range.
Posted by: Mike Hillis <Send a PM> (IP Logged)
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Date: June 26, 12:37PM
MIKE'S reply...quoted

A don't have any experience with the XLT, but I do have experience with the DFX. The nonferrous range is the positive numbers and the iron or ferrous range is the negative numbers. Just the scale they use. So on these two units iron runs -1 to -95. That would correspond to the 10-40 range on the T2.

- 95 would be full iron acceptance on the XLT/DFX which corresponds to a setting of 10 on the T2.

HH

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Mike, this part of your reply neads reviewing:-

- 95 would be full iron acceptance on the XLT/DFX which corresponds to a setting of 10 on the T2.

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Consider this:-

If the T2 'ferrous range' runs approximately, from 0 to say 45, and the equivalent XLT/DFX is -95 to -1.

This then is approximately a 2 to 1 ratio, DFX to T2

So DFX -95 = 0 T2
DFX -1 = 45 T2

Therefor your T2 10 is approximately equal to -75 DFX. (-95 +[2x10])

Now iron nails for example, read somewhere in the -65 DFX scaling.

That leaves -30 DFX points below 'nails' on the DFX, for any ferrous item with a progressively LOWER conductivity to ferrous ratio.

This -95 to -65 is then similar to the T2 0 > 14 range.

So the DFX or XLT have a similar residual negative range to the T2 (but differently scaled), which can be invoked by a piece of ferrite or very large iron. Ferrite showing in the -94/-95 region.

...................................HH.....MattR.UK
 
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If the T2 'ferrous range' runs approximately, from 0 to say 45, and the equivalent XLT/DFX is -95 to -1.


The iron range of the T2 runs from 10 to 40. Only have a 30 number spread for iron. Once above 40 you are into foil. 41 and 42 targets have all been foil.

When we use the two machines there are some aspects that become apparent.

1. With the T2 you cannot wrap non-ferrous targets around into the mineral and iron ranges. On the DFX you can wrap high conductive targets around into the -95 and -94 range. I did this on a regular basis on conductors as low as clad quarters. I have yet wrapped anything around the scale with the T2 and I've tried.

2. With the T2, I have yet to get large rusty iron to wrap backwards into the high end ferrous range. Someone correct me if it does this, but as of yet it hasn't been my experience. Yes, I can get rusty ferrous to spike but it typically spikes upward from the positive side, not backwards from the negative side.

I also have not yet gotten any target to read below a 10.

So based upon my experience, I find that the 10 to 40 range on the T2 corresponds to the range of -1 through -95 and includes +94/+95 on the DFX.

Now... it might be possible for the +94, +95, -95, -94 mineral range of the DFX to correspond to the T2's 0-9 range. But so far I haven't been able to cause it.

HH

Mike
 
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