Heartbreakers

[ryanchappell]

So what is going on when this happens? So many times I will be at an old junky site. Is there any other kind of old site? I will get a perfect 12-47 vdi reading, pinpoint it a little with the DD coil tip method, and do my "Crazy Ivan" by rotating 90 degrees and reading it from the other angle. It will come up 24-47. I call that the heart breaker, and would usually explain that as a rusty nail that from one direction the profile is making it come up like a coin, but profiling from the other direction it is coming up higher FE. Ok, that is fine sniff sniff, but what about the ones where I keep getting a good signal from the initial direction, but then the detector adjusts for the iron, or other junk somehow, and the E-Trac suddenly decides that wait a minute, it never was a 12-47, it was always a 25-47 or a 35-47.

Anyone else? Anyone understand what is going on? I have about 200 hours on the E-Trac, but I am not a great tone distinguisher, but trying to get better. Often the nails sound pretty good all along, other times I am wishfully following up hoping that there is a coin near an nail that I hear.

 

[mikeothmer]

The best way to deal with that is is dig it and then if it is a nail make sure there are no coins left. After you dug a few you will have a much better guess at the next one. I rely more on the CO # than I do the FE# . The FE# is a help but not a good enough reason not to dig for me. There are too many things that will effect the numbers so if it looks good on the CO# I dig.

 

[grouser]

do you get the good reading in BOTH directions? cuz a nail swept from pointed end to head will give an iron signal and the from head to point a coin signal,,, when swept across the nail it is usually iron both ways,,,, at least this is what I have found on my CZ3D will know more about the Etrac when mine gets here next week hehehehe

 

[ryanchappell]

do you get the good reading in BOTH directions? cuz a nail swept from pointed end to head will give an iron signal and the from head to point a coin signal,,, when swept across the nail it is usually iron both ways,,,, at least this is what I have found on my CZ3D will know more about the Etrac when mine gets here next week hehehehe

A lot of times it does. Sometimes it is only one way. I dig a lot of iffy signals, and dig a lot of nails. Not sure if the successful coin digs are luck or because something was really detected over the average nail. Sometimes it will ID ok, but I guess I should have known from the noisy tone that it was a nail all along. I would probably be better off covering the most ground I can, only digging the sure think I am a coin signals, and then going back and farting around with the iffy stuff, but I like to do the later. Also, the geographic area I am in is pretty much only detectable to 3 inches so if I find an area that has produced old coins, I probably need to keep working it because the coins are close to the surface.

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

If they don't pin point well its almost always iron.

 

[grouser]

nothing wrong with diggin iffy targets,,,, your training your ear and assuring your hunches , clearing trash or finding a surprise !!!! what could be better ?

 

[wvrick]

This is just what I think, maybe right or wrong BUT. I think some targets that are rejected in the blacked out zone when you hit them-the detector is trying to read them and as it crosses across the accepted area you get a good CO's and FE's. If you hit "QuickMask" and sweep the target you can see it crossing where your open "window" would be. This is just how I've looked at it and I may be wrong.