After using my Omega 8000 and the Delta 4000 for a considerable period of time.... I've come to the conclusion that these units are "hot on gold" !! Not natural gold but jewelry type gold... I've found many gold rings and earings and even quite a few gold chains. When I first got my Omega a friend told me.....you can kiss gold goodbye!! He claimed that with the Omega and DeltaI would find lots of silver but won't do well on gold. Not the right frequency ..he said. I promptly ignored his coments and went on to find lots of gold. Why?? Were we not all lead to believe that you need a high 15KHz unit for gold sensitivity? Don't get me wrong...love the Omega and the Delta backup but I'm wondering ...................what makes them "hot on gold" ??
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Bucksport
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My opinion is that way too many get all worked up on operating frequency. If a machine is engineered correctly, it will generally do just fine on silver and gold. These are both general purpose machines. Meaning they will be hot on hold or silver if it finds its way under the coil.
"In general, higher frequencies are better for smaller and lower conductivity stuff, and lower frequencies are better for larger and higher conductivity stuff. Relic hunters are generally looking for stuff that is smaller or lower conductivity than US clad, copper, and silver coinage. However, frequency is not critical, and a 7 kHz machine can be good on relics and a 13 kHz machine can be good on coins. " -Dave J essays.
Many have said the same thing about the F-19 not being good for high conductors like silver and copper with it's 19kHz frequency, but it seems to do very well across the board. I'm new to the Omega and have had the F-19 about a month and they both seem to do well on mid and high conductors. I like them both depending on what type of hunting I'm doing. I only wish the Omega had the same low vis red backlight as the 19.
REVIER
Well-known member
I have found lots of gold with 4 different machines from the 5.9 kHz F2 to the 12 kHz Compadre and into the even higher range F70 and Vaquero.
I have found more of it with the lower frequency F2 simply because I used it for more hours than the others.
Very deep stuff could well act differently, but all of my 30+ gold targets have been at depths of 5" or less...mostly less.
I don't believe in this frequency stuff at all regarding shallow gold because of my experiences.
I believe success finding it has more to due with picking good spots where it might be found and understanding how it behaves so you will actually dig it if you are lucky enough to get your coil over it.
You have come to the same conclusion whether you realize this or not.
I believe I have studied this metal enough that I believe I can find it using just about any detector on the market from the top flagship models down to the lowest end BH or Harbor Freight detectors.
More features on a detector might make it a bit easier, but if I have anything in my hand that indicates there is metal hidden in the soil in my mind I have a better than average chance of finding gold because I learned to understand it so well.
I also love when so called knowledgeable experts tell me I am wasting my time using certain tools or hunting specific sites that they are sure have been totally hunted out.
I have found some of my best targets of all time at pounded sites just like that using tools they feel are inferior so I just laugh and ignore any advice like that.
As a matter of fact situations like this just motivate me even more.
I have found more of it with the lower frequency F2 simply because I used it for more hours than the others.
Very deep stuff could well act differently, but all of my 30+ gold targets have been at depths of 5" or less...mostly less.
I don't believe in this frequency stuff at all regarding shallow gold because of my experiences.
I believe success finding it has more to due with picking good spots where it might be found and understanding how it behaves so you will actually dig it if you are lucky enough to get your coil over it.
You have come to the same conclusion whether you realize this or not.
I believe I have studied this metal enough that I believe I can find it using just about any detector on the market from the top flagship models down to the lowest end BH or Harbor Freight detectors.
More features on a detector might make it a bit easier, but if I have anything in my hand that indicates there is metal hidden in the soil in my mind I have a better than average chance of finding gold because I learned to understand it so well.
I also love when so called knowledgeable experts tell me I am wasting my time using certain tools or hunting specific sites that they are sure have been totally hunted out.
I have found some of my best targets of all time at pounded sites just like that using tools they feel are inferior so I just laugh and ignore any advice like that.
As a matter of fact situations like this just motivate me even more.
I agree with the original premis, we WERE led to believe.. ..... 'higher freq is 'better' for gold'...maybe on nuggets?
Want to really blow your mind? Go over to the Detector Pro site and watch a video 'therover' posted of their new UW with the 12"dd NeL..its a 2.4 freq rig...at about the 6min mark...watch it hit gold rings buried in the wet salt sand up against a CZ21 and a 'Lab ExcalI'..makes a guy rethink all the hoohaw out there about the 'freq' thing for gold jewelry...perhaps on nuggets its different!
a guy called 'Detector Comparisons' has some good youtube vids..
Mud.
Want to really blow your mind? Go over to the Detector Pro site and watch a video 'therover' posted of their new UW with the 12"dd NeL..its a 2.4 freq rig...at about the 6min mark...watch it hit gold rings buried in the wet salt sand up against a CZ21 and a 'Lab ExcalI'..makes a guy rethink all the hoohaw out there about the 'freq' thing for gold jewelry...perhaps on nuggets its different!
a guy called 'Detector Comparisons' has some good youtube vids..
Mud.
My Omega is good on gold jewellery as well...when we are talking frequencies, I would expect a difference between a 3kHz detector (good on deep silver, e.g. X Terra 70/705) and a 70 kHz detector , (good on small/tiny gold, eg. Gold Bug 2). When there are only a few kHz between frequencies on different detectors, I believe it comes down to design/engineering of the machines themselves. With respect to the Omega, why it is good on gold, the best person to ask is Dave J., the designer/engineer. He made a great machine.
ChuckVT
Active member
I agree with what Revier said above. I have been detecting since 1968 and used so many units of all different frequencies and found gold and silver with all of them. Being in the right place to find valuables is the most important thing. I have found lots of silver with high frequency machines and gold with low frequency units. I think the high frequencies definitely let you pick up a tiny gold earring stud a bit better, but when it comes to a regular ring, it is not much of a difference.