I am with Jim Tn and the 5" coil

[WV62]

Last Saturday the last hour of our hunt, I took off the 5x10 coil and put on the 5" coil and found 5 coins, 3 quarters and a couple of pennies on small area that 2 of WV brothers had hunted this same area several times before with larger coils.

Today I went back to a yard that I hunted last week with the 5x10 and hit again today with the F75 and the 5" coil, found 6 coins in a hours hunt, 2 quarters, 2 dimes and 3 pennies. How could I have missed those coins with the 5x10.

Like Jim says it is Laser like.

I will be leaving it on the stick for a while, I got to keep testing it in real world hunts.

Jim Tn, thanks and us WV brothers do pay attention to what you say.

Ron in WV

 

[jim tn]

Thanks Ron, very nice of you to say.

Every time I hunt with it in heavy trash it amazes me. I don't like to be redundant, but it is like a laser in trash. Glad to hear you are finding some stuff. Hot over this way, so hunts are shorter and not quite as fun. HH jim tn

 

[REVIER]

I hunted with the standard 8" coil on my F2 for 18 months and did pretty good.
Then I put my sniper coil on just as a lark and at the very first site I took it to, which I had hit several times in the past and thought I cleaned up well, I found so many more targets that I was shocked.
It was a trashy site near a picnic pavilion and I easily could have missed a few because of masking and just by hitting them from another direction they showed up but not this many.
I took it to a bunch more sites just like it, more open and not so trashy areas and new sites too and the same thing happened over and over, they all came alive again, some seemed like virgin territory that had never been hunted but I knew I had.
I was the same guy, had the same skills, used the same detector and only the coil had changed.
For the next 1.5 years I used that detector the sniper stayed on most of the time except for about 5 hunts using a new 10" coil I had bought for some reason.
Never put the 8" coil on the thing again.
I went on to find a huge amount more with that coil than ever before, more clad, more older coins, definitely more silver and gold.
I won contest after contest at my club's monthly meetings, brought in other stellar jewelry pieces just to show off after the rules said I couldn't enter the best jewelry contests anymore and least three people in that club bought F2's just to see what this thing was all about after seeing my clad counts compared to others and everything else I brought in.

I eventually got a sniper coil for my Vaq and even though I don't use it much I still get it out from time to time and that one has been mounted for the last couple years...still.

On my F70 I love all 3 of my coils but use the 5" sniper the most, even in the worst of my red devil dirt soil this coil found me one of the deepest coins I have found so far here in the south, a V nickel worn as thin as dime from every bit of 7.5-8" deep.
A friend hunting with an E Trac looked the the coin, the hole and the small coil and could hardly believe it, he has never gotten that deep or dug any good target around here ever with any coil near that mark in the bad stuff...ever.
I had to learn new target behavior to hunt deeper in this mineralized red clay and iron infested southern soil to able me to recognize deeper targets that nobody else seems to be able to do but once I did my sniper seeps to go every bit as deep as my big DD, ID's every great target just as good as that big coil and it might sound crazy but might even beat the actual depth of the larger coil as unbelievable as that might seem.
Maybe something about all that power focused through that smaller coil has more punch though power or maybe something else but that is what I seem to be experiencing...and I have a few very deep treasures in my collection to prove that to me.

I love to switch around my coils, keeps down the boredom and each one has its own peculiar skills and superpowers, but if I was forced to give away all the coils I own for every detector in the arsenal and only allowed to keep one I can tell you a sniper coil would be the one I keep every time, no question.

A new world just opened up for you, enjoy the beauty and bounty it holds.

 

[markg]

5" coil is the ticket in heavy trash. Amazing separation and ID to about 6", in fairly good dirt, but add high mineralization, like the red/orange clay dirt of Virginia and the depth reduces quickly.

 

[WV62]

Well it has been an eye opener for me.

Most of the coins were not locking on, the ID was jumpy but if it stayed withing the coin range and didn't jump into the high 90's I was digging. So far none of these coins were all that deep, 3 to 5" range and none were silver, just clad and pennies.

I am hoping that I will hit a silver just to see if it locks on better than this clad.

Now that I am thinking back, Jim post something maybe a year or so back and I put the 5" on and hunted part of a sled run area and found several wheat pennies and a silver dime. I don't think I gave it enough time to get hooked on the 5".

We are getting into the 90's in the mid day around here so mornings and evenings will be getting some hunt time.

Ron in WV

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

Ron, I hunted exclusively with the 5" coil for 2 years no silver...I complained to you that maybe the F 75 was defective. lol

Then last fall I switched to the 10 x 5 Fisher coil. Then started finding Mercury dimes. 4 in one month
Not at all scientific since there was no comparison or test in same area. I do believe there is some depth gained on the 10x5 that does help.
The 10 x 5 also has two hot spots --- at the heal and then the toe. So that doubles your chances for a good hit on deeper coins.

Maybe next time out I will try one on a fixed area then change coils and go back again to see if I missed anything.

I think both are good - I just find more silver dimes with the 10 x 5.

Have Fun

 

[WV62]

Coin Rescue, I remember when you were talking you machine may be not working as it should and you and I were talking and testing. I think I had just got mine back from upgrade.

Well I did find the one silver dime about this time last year with the 5" coil, I am sure the 5x10 is a deeper coil but in the trash it still seems to be on the big side from what I am seeing.

I was also looking at my log sheet and noticed that in Oct of last year I logged in a 5 hour hunt with the 5" coil and didn't find a single coin. So it would seem that you must pick the right tool for the job based on the hunt location and the amount of trash. I may have too many coils and that makes me think I need to try them all. It could be that I need to settle on a couple and just go with the trash level.

I was running max disc in that yard I was telling you about and I didn't get a good feel for the amount of trash, but I did get pulled a lot when in AM pinpoint to roofing nails. So I would guess if I lowered the disc I would hear a lot of low tone iron.

Ron in WV

 

[coin pirate]

We are getting into the 90's in the mid day around here so mornings and evenings will be getting some hunt time.

Ron in WV

Tell me about it, need some shade area for sure, been so humid the past week.

OP
Thanks for the sniper coil report, I plan on getting one after I get a DD coil for my F5, however, I get good separation
from the stock coil I'm currently using, just got through practicing digging pull tabs for my gold ring hunting practice,
and several times I would get multiple jumpy signals, it would always settle down on iron or tabs, but when sweeping
pick up the other signals, I pulled a few coppers and a nickel amongst the tabs and they were the bouncy signal.

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

Coin Rescue, I remember when you were talking you machine may be not working as it should and you and I were talking and testing. I think I had just got mine back from upgrade.

Well I did find the one silver dime about this time last year with the 5" coil, I am sure the 5x10 is a deeper coil but in the trash it still seems to be on the big side from what I am seeing.

I was also looking at my log sheet and noticed that in Oct of last year I logged in a 5 hour hunt with the 5" coil and didn't find a single coin. So it would seem that you must pick the right tool for the job based on the hunt location and the amount of trash. I may have too many coils and that makes me think I need to try them all. It could be that I need to settle on a couple and just go with the trash level.

I was running max disc in that yard I was telling you about and I didn't get a good feel for the amount of trash, but I did get pulled a lot when in AM pinpoint to roofing nails. So I would guess if I lowered the disc I would hear a lot of low tone iron.

Ron in WV

I also think you have to go with what coil you have the most confidence in. Give it your best shot at hunting sites you may only get one chance at.
Next week I am heading back to the 1850 mining camps and will take both coils. The smaller one is better in woods and weeds just for avoiding entanglements. Also scout new areas for past human activity

 

[coin pirate]

even my stock coil picked up a rivet the size of a bb about 4" down

 

[still looking 52]

Don't discount those stock coils, they are factory matched and in ordinary conditions may out perform a lot of these specialty coils.

 

[WV62]

Coin Rescue,

When you were running the 5" what processor or processors were you using?

The reason I ask is my brother air test numbers on his F5 are higher than my F75 DE processor when comparing the two detectors and the 11" DD coils. Now my F75 numbers start to get pretty close to his F5 numbers when I run the BP processor.

So for now I am running the BP processor and after looking back at my air test numbers the 5" DD coil is only a 1/2" less on a dime and 1" less on a quarter than the 11"DD coil in BP.

If I remember right when the F75 first came out it's big claim to fame was the fast processor speed in DE, then the upgrade came along and they added the FA processor which is yet another faster processor than the DE. Now as the processor speed goes up the depth goes down. So I am kind of thinking that the BP processor on the F75 is close to the processor speed of the F5.

These are just my thoughts based on my air test numbers. I know the FA processor is Fast Audio, which I think they shortened the audio by some percent giving the sound on targets better separation, but we all know it seems faster and for sure is not as deep as the DE processor or even close to the BP processor.

Now I am not saying anything bad about any of the F75 processors, the FA is a clad stabbers dream, the DE is a good general purpose processor, and Bp is a good deep running processor, they say slow, but I find it to be just about the right swing speed for me.

Ron in WV

 

[jim tn]

My hunting buddy and I were talking detectors (gee) on our way to a spot this morning and I stated that I firmly believe my first F 75, regular model, in de mode was deeper then the two LTD's i've had and have........and not just marginally deeper, either. HH jim tn

 

[Tinfoil]

You are 100% Correctomundo. Plus the all metal was deeper. Yep you got it right. That LTD upgrade ain't all it is put up to be. I wish I would have not had mine done. It is noisy noisy . All metal not as deep. Boost not as deep and you can't rise it as high off the target as I used to. Hell. it won't even hit a 8" Dime now. I had 2 pages of stuff wrong with mine. Sent it back 2 times for problems after the mod. was done. Still ain't fixed. The fast mode is so noisy and no depth. You can't even use it. Worthless to me. Up grade what a joke. . Junk. I am so happy I still got my old F75. Now for all you guys that have a good up graded machine that is great. Mine is a POS Period. What can I say. How mad due you think I am. . I went from one bad Ass LTD to a modded piece of Crap. I would not have done it if I knew how it was going to turn out. So for you guys that have a great LTD DON"T MOD IT and don't upgrade your Old F75. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[WV62]

Here is about all I could find for side by side testing of the upgrade and before upgrade. Sorry this is not the best chart, but if you read each line you can see what I was doing.

I am on my 4th F75 now, I started off with one of the first Ltd's that had the boost processor I sold that machine, then I picked up a couple of used std F75's no boost processor and got rid of them and bought what I have now another new Ltd with boost, and I had this one upgraded.

Seems to me that the disc settings and sweep speed made a lot of difference on the depth of my F75 before upgrade. I do see some bigger numbers before upgrade than after.

I to had to send my detector back after upgrade for re-work, the back light was not working. I don't think I would want to go back to before upgrade, I am pretty happy with mine.

Ron in WV

 

[John LA]

Good to hear you are still around.

 

[jim tn]

I can't call mine a POS, but have never been bowled over with the depth of this one. Mine, however, with DST can be run about everywhere I hunt and runs quietly. I WONDER IF THE ORIGINAL F 75 MODEL RUNS AS DEEP AS IT DID WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT? Anybody know? Take care, Jerry. You and I have been swinging these 75's almost since day one! Your nasty sand beach setup put me on two gold rings out of wet sand with my 75 the first time I hit the beach with it. HH jim tn

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

Coin Rescue,

When you were running the 5" what processor or processors were you using?

The reason I ask is my brother air test numbers on his F5 are higher than my F75 DE processor when comparing the two detectors and the 11" DD coils. Now my F75 numbers start to get pretty close to his F5 numbers when I run the BP processor.

So for now I am running the BP processor and after looking back at my air test numbers the 5" DD coil is only a 1/2" less on a dime and 1" less on a quarter than the 11"DD coil in BP.

If I remember right when the F75 first came out it's big claim to fame was the fast processor speed in DE, then the upgrade came along and they added the FA processor which is yet another faster processor than the DE. Now as the processor speed goes up the depth goes down. So I am kind of thinking that the BP processor on the F75 is close to the processor speed of the F5.

These are just my thoughts based on my air test numbers. I know the FA processor is Fast Audio, which I think they shortened the audio by some percent giving the sound on targets better separation, but we all know it seems faster and for sure is not as deep as the DE processor or even close to the BP processor.

Now I am not saying anything bad about any of the F75 processors, the FA is a clad stabbers dream, the DE is a good general purpose processor, and Bp is a good deep running processor, they say slow, but I find it to be just about the right swing speed for me.

Ron in WV

I use DE most of the time
I have a hard time centering a target under the coils using the DP.
I tried DP again a few weeks ago and listened for the higher tones in 3H .... Everything was junk and Iron in the higher tone,
I would sure like to see/hear how another upgraded F75 works in BP
BP was my favorite setting prior to the upgrade

 

[jim tn]

C R, mine works fine in B P, and so does my hunting buddies. No problems pin pointing, if that's what you mean by "centering a target." HH jim tn

 

[Coin Rescue Inc]

C R, mine works fine in B P, and so does my hunting buddies. No problems pin pointing, if that's what you mean by "centering a target." HH jim tn

Not a pin pointing issue - centering the coil in the search mode over a high tone is not like it used to be. I used to be able to visualize the general location of the object by swinging back and forth. then pinpoint.

So when pinpointing I need to guess more. One could center over iron or aluminum and miss the target location.

To me the BP seems to lag in recovery response too much.