I was just wondering how you guys find your deep targets in a hole...

[christopher-ohio]

I'm now so used to the X-1 Probe on the Explorers that I had, now still using my CZ-5 and 3D with the FZ-1 Probe...just wondered what everyone is using out there since the Sunray probes help so much to ID that specific target you're digging for...thanks in advance...HH

P.S. I'm considering purchasing a T2 for coin shooting at all my old iron laden farmhouse sites or the F75...just trying to look at the logistics of the T2/F75 for target recovery versus the Sunray probes.

 

[MattR]

Chris..Does the Sunray probe ID targets or do you mean locate?

With an Explorer you certainly need one (Exp. have lousy Pin-pointing)

T2 / F75 are 10,000 times better at p-pointing than the EXP.

Using the T2 you just spade it out. Vertical items will be off-center, naturally......MattR.UK

 

[christopher-ohio]

Matt, I'm sorry I wasn't more clear about my question...after using the Sunray probes which ID and locate targets very nicely, I was just wondering what's mainly being used with the T2 for a pinpointer if at all...I know some pinpointers affect the detectors...like the Vibraprobe with an Explorer...since a Sunray is not currently available for a T2 or F75. I hunt quite a bit of old house yards where a clean, tidy hole is necessary so the property owner will let me come back...HH

 

[Rick(ND)]

So many small targets that are hard to see much less find with the T-2 when I had mine. I found the best probe for me was the Uniprobe built into the headphones. This was so easy to use and it is very sensitive too for small items. This way I just had to reach up and turn the Uniprobe on and the sound come right though the headphones like the Sun Rays do, the only thing is the Uniprobe is not a disc probe like the Sun Rays. This was a great set up with the T-2 and the Uniprobe and will be using the Uniprobe with my F75 when it gets here too.

 

[Frank in NH]

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[JBM]

Dead easy I use my pocket Uniprobe its a winner evry time.

In my opinion its better than the very good Sunray probe which I have in the past used with my various Explorers.Jerry.

 

[christopher-ohio]

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[Captain Kirk]

Matt,

Using the Explorer, I can pinpoint a target with good accuracy in 5 to 10 seconds (Including using the PINPOINT mode). Of course you get fooled sometimes when there are multiple targets or when the targets are at an angle. It does take some practice to perfect the pinpointing technique. Now, I do it instinctively.

One problem that can drive a new user nuts is the fact that you can detect a shallower target on the outer rim of the coil. But, when you go to the PINPOINT mode you realize that condition immediately.

To answer your question about the X1 probe: The probe behaves just like a small coil, including target ID.

HH,
Glenn

 

[Captain Kirk]

Christopher,

I find it much easier to locate targets with the Explorer (and the Sun Ray X1 probe) than with the T2 (and no pinpointer). I am still trying to figure out what to do about this.

HH,
Glenn

 

[christopher-ohio]

Glenn,

I really do like having target ID and tone with the Sunray probes since many times there are multiple targets in one hole and the probe really let's you hear what you're looking for...I guess I'm used to that type of a pinpointer with discrimination...but I know that each out there has their own preferences, hunting techniques, and areas they hunt...I typically hunt old house sites with variable levels of iron...thanks and HH

 

[MattR]

Hi Glen. I disagree also.

I'm sure there are many out there that agree with you.

That doesn't alter my assessment of the EXP's poor P-P'ing.

The Explorer II of which I've owned and tried several others, have poor pin-pointing performance COMPARED TO OTHER DETECTORS
I am speaking in a 'comparative' mode here.

It is the basic criticism most EX II owners have, that I speak to.
One of the claims for the new SE is "Improved pin-pointing". QED.

I suspect that your own dexterity and experience is covering for the ML detector's pp shortcoming.

The inherent design philosophy of the Exp series does not lend itself to the requisite mode required for pin-pointing.

Compare it to the White's DFX and you will realise immediately how poor the Explorer's PP is.

My personal opinion is that the T2 is far better considering it has an elliptical head which by definition will produce a longitudinally extended pin-point focus.

I do realise that the guys in the States have a constraint imposed by the need to be 'more accurate' when digging plugs in parks, lawns etc.

Here in the UK we are predominantly field searching and the smallest tool is a spade at least 6 inches wide. If the target is 'neat' then a couple of spade thrusts will usually have it out in that sod.
We work the soil back into the hole, off the sod.
That keeps it tidy.
If the target is weak and vague when pin-pointing it then we will often dig a bigger 'box' of turf out sufficient to get the search-head into the hole if necessary.

For tiny 'air-gun-pellet' sized items then I agree, a probe is a must for most guys.
I rarely use one myself, for they can be too fiddly to handle at times , especially because I now ALWAYS wear gloves. The chemicals and the possibilities of infection from farm waste dumped on todays soils, is a real threat often ignored by detectorists.
Maybe if I were to experience the more sophisticated probes you guys appear to have over there, then I could be converted.

Because we mostly work farmed soil then we don't have to be as precise or 'tidy' as our brothers in the States..........Matt

P.S..... 3 out of 4 probe designs are 'naff'.

 

[Captain Kirk]

Matt,

I understand all that you are saying. Pinpointing with a DD coil is more difficult that with a concentric coil. I also think that the T2 pinpointing is quite good. But if we rate the T2 pinpointing as a "10", then I would rate the Explorer II as an 8. I do not know many Explorer users that use the PINPOINT mode, but I find it very handy.

Regarding the use of a probe, I find that many targets are not easy to find even after you get them out of the hole and on your cloth (or plastic are whatever people used to cleanly put the dirt back into the hole later). Using a probe allows one to easily find the target in the dirt. But, this is a matter of personal preference.

Another advantage of the probe is for those pesky targets that are off to the side of the hole. e.g. coins on edge.

Good to hear from you Matt, even when you disagree.
Glenn

 

[JBM]

I remember seeing a beautiful large 500 year old silver coin damaged by not using a probe.

The guy was nearly in tears and he learnt the lesson the hard way.

Its criminal that a coin lying in the ground for so long should be brutalised by hit and miss extraction from the soil.Jerry.

 

[rink123]

[quote JBM]I remember seeing a beautiful large 500 year old silver coin damaged by not using a probe.

The guy was nearly in tears and he learnt the lesson the hard way.

Its criminal that a coin lying in the ground for so long should be brutalised by hit and miss extraction from the soil.Jerry.[/quote]Well Jerry it is better to hit it than it lie there forever and we would never see it,lets get them out before they are gone forever m8

 

[JBM]

Hi Rink 123 I agree with you in a way but what Iam trying to say is its better using a quality probe which gives a better chance of getting the find out without damage.

Not all finds come out with the first spit especially with the deeper penetrating machines.Jerry.

 

[jbow]

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