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I emailed Gary D and he suggested the wot15 but some have complained it's a little heavy and it's pricier than the S12. I am considering the S12 though thanks.deepdiger60 said:Dont waist your money on the 13" it is a piece of crap on the beach as is the 12x10 they cant even come close in depth or seperation to the S-12 great beach coil second to the Tornado 10" !! . Jim
deepdiger60 said:Dont waist your money on the 13" it is a piece of crap on the beach as is the 12x10 they cant even come close in depth or seperation to the S-12 great beach coil second to the Tornado 10" !! . Jim
Critter there is nothing wrong with the 12x10 in fields works great best coil i had was on my DFX 12x10 ,with the GT in salt water or wet salt sand no way it,s terrible other people i know who had !! one on the ocean beaches out here said the same thing they sold the coil you need to get on a salt water beach and try your 12x10 then comment on it . JimCritterhunter said:Deepdiger, the vast majority, on both FBS and BBS units, who have owned the 12x10 say it's better in all respects than both the 10" Tornado and the FBS Pro Coil. Either you had a bad coil or your minerals just rub the 12x10 the wrong way, but that would be a rarity since the 12x10 is known for handling both EMI and minerals much better with a smoother ride and higher sensitivity levels than all other coils it's been compared to. Stable as a rock, deeper, sharper more crisp tones, unbelieveable separation, etc...
So far the S-12 is showing me it's not as deep as the 12x10 or the Ultimate *in my soil*, and also seems to like to null instead of sound off at the first reaction to a fringed depth target until I gain about another half inch less depth on it. Never seen this happen before, and no...I'm not just basing this on my air test video, but also in my experience with it in the field against the 12x10. The S-12 seems to take much more effort to work up the proper ID/tone of a target at fringe depth when wiggling over it *for me, in my soil*.
The separation also, while I can't obviously "see" the DD line, doesn't seem nearly as sharp as the 12x10 or Ultimate. That's not necessarily a snub towards it, because the 12x10 is so laser like in how sharp the DD line is like no other coil I've ever owned. The Ultimate also seems rather sharp with it's DD line as well. The S-12? It's got more of a "broad" or "base" type audio report, which I suspect is due to the thicker DD line maybe? Like strumming a guitar with your finger versus a pick.
Again, not necessarily a snug, as some might prefer those audio characterists for their particular hearing. But I have noticed it takes more effort to wiggle up the proper ID/tone with the S-12 at depth. Does that mean it's less deep? Not necessarily. What I suspect is that maybe if the DD line is more broad like I feel it is to me, has me "out of tune" with how to time the width and speed of my short sweeping or Sovereign wiggle to work the best ID/tone out of a target at depth. The guitar pick thing maybe...
The Ultimate versus S-12? To me the S-12 is more like a conventional round DD, just bigger in size. Feels like I'm just using a bigger version of the 10" Tornado to me, which again ain't a snub, because the 10" Tornado is the best stock coil I ever owned. But on the other hand, the Ultimate is so unlike a conventional round DD in it's traits that that alone is reason enough for me to own one. It also feels much lighter, like the 12x10, to me on the shaft over the S-12, and I suspect it's due to the more backward mounting point of the S-12 of the shaft, because all 3 coils are very near each other in weight in various with or without coil cover configurations.
All these are great coils. You just have to figure out which one suits your particular needs and hunting style, and in particular too hearing preferences. The 12x10 is louder to my ears than the stock 10" coil or S-12 at depth. The Ultimate is even a bit louder at depth, but that doesn't mean it's deeper. Just louder. Still figuring out if it's as deep as the 12x10, but it for sure looks to be deeper in my soil than the 15x12 was. I like the more "crisp" "trebel like" audio of the 12x10 and the Ultimate. It seems to suit my ears better and gives me more notice of potential coins mixed in with a bunch of junk as I work a spot. No mistaking that extra sharp bark when these coils speak coin to me...