Monte's Article

[Shenandoah Digger]

I was sorry to see that Monte's post regarding the Outlaw was removed. That may be the first time a post of his was deleted. I didn't see anything in it that was overly critical of Tesoro. He has voiced his opinions over the years on many detectors and anyone who has been on this forum for a while has benefitted from his knowledge. Some forum members were upset that Monte said that Tesoro hasn't had a good engineer since Jack retired, more or less. How's that offensive? Jack was apparently a great engineer ahead of his time. I guess the proof will be if the Outlaw is vastly superior to some of the past outstanding detectors that Jack designed. If it's not deeper, faster, and better in mineralized ground than the Bandito and Eldorado, what's new? It would just be a rehashing of someone else's design. If it outperforms those older machines, then Vince gets the credit. If it doesn't, then Tesoro could have easily averted criticism by simply stating, "back by popular demand, the Bandito III".

 

[Les in the UK]

Many people buy a lot of Tesoro's on Monty's reviews and to his credit he says it as it is, i never got to see his post but i believe i know what he had to say after owning many Tesoro detectors myself.
It is common knowledge that the Outlaw will not go as deep as a Vaqeuro and that it is like the Bandido and uses the old type search coils.
Tesoro only has its self to blame for any bad posts or feelings that might be made as Tesoro have remade renamed and revived many of it's older detectors to it's loyal customers over the years.
You don't mind spending money on a brand new detector , but you do mind buying a detector that is the same or so similar a detector to the last one that you owned.
I wish Tesoro well and hope that they make a real new detector next time.

PS
Tesoro can say that the Outlaw was made for the new detectorists that are just starting out in this hobby, i will say that if it is not broken why try and fix it.

 

[slingshot]

Yeah-I really wanted to hear his thoughts and have been trying to get someone to pm me and summarize for my personal knowledge. I'm afraid we need to let this one go and time will tell. Tesoro is my main detector, so no problem there.

 

[Ivan]

Wow...................What could he have said to be censored? I really enjoy this forum and with my latest posting at over 1200 views; others seem to be interested in what I have to say...............but I am not anywhere near the stature of Monte!!! I find it hard to believe that he would have been " over the top" in his comments.We all lose when this sort of thing takes hold.

 

[jim tn]

I know I feel better after doing so.

I have the utmost respect for Monte's opinions, but lets keep in mind, they are just that, opinions. Educated, yes, but still opinions. Lets also keep in mind that this in fact is the Tesoro forum and has nothing to do with White's and Teknetics detectors. And there is certainly nothing wrong with the Finds forum being protective of all their sponsors. Without sponsors, there wouldn't be forums. Of which, Monte is not a sponsor.

Obviously, these are just my opinions, but I would much rather hear some avid Tesoro users honest opinions of the Outlaw then someone like me who hasn't swung one. HH everyone, jim tn

 

[thump7]

Monte is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, his post was nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Tesoro. It is clear someone at Tesoro hurt his feelings in the past, and that by his own admission, he stopped selling Tesoro machines in the 1980s- or early 1990s. To me, it was the rantings of a Whites dealer withy a chip on his shoulder and nothing else. I know Monte is a beloved member of this forum, and an extremely knowledgeable metal detector, but - in my mind, that does not mean he should be able to talk smack without some feedback. All of my responses seem to get deleted, but I think if you throw rocks, you should be able to take a few hits...

I can't help but notice you have only been on here 3 days and yet you come across as someone that has been on here much, much longer than that. If you use your original username or alias, you opinions might be valued!!

Nonetheless, I got the same impression when I read it. Very blunt, say it the way it is, but also in a maner that was degrading to tesoro.

 

[Jerry-Wi]

I did read Monte's article is apparent that a lot of thought was given and there were many facts presented that have not been or can be disputed. He also gave his opinions and stated as much.

Facts are sometimes inconvenient but they are also the truth and no one should be censored for presenting fact or speaking the truth, in particular on a forum that purports to want public input.

I don't to have agree with one's opinion but I will fight for their right to state it. Apparently that does not apply here.

Jerry

 

[Larry (IL)]

It seems that we have had other Tesoro users from Clifton, NJ namolos, do you know any of them?

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

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[GunnarMN]

didnt seem like much improvment to me ,

 

[Oak]

Monte is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately, his post was nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Tesoro. It is clear someone at Tesoro hurt his feelings in the past, and that by his own admission, he stopped selling Tesoro machines in the 1980s- or early 1990s. To me, it was the rantings of a Whites dealer withy a chip on his shoulder and nothing else. I know Monte is a beloved member of this forum, and an extremely knowledgeable metal detector, but - in my mind, that does not mean he should be able to talk smack without some feedback. All of my responses seem to get deleted, but I think if you throw rocks, you should be able to take a few hits...

It sounds like you are doing some ranting of your own. I don't know if Monte is a White Dealer or not, but I have read his reviews on White's detectors and he doesn't give all of them great reviews . It is just his opinion with years of experience. I am smart enough to make my own decisions, but always appreciate factual opinions.


HH

PS .. at least he doesn't hide under an alias name.

 

[D&P-OR]

It seems to me like the one that stirred up this hornets nest was not Monte but rather some "newbie" hiding under a Forum name.----Now I wonder WHO that would be?????----------Del

 

[Furious T]

Just my 2c worth. I read Monte's post, and although it was meticulous, thoughtful, intelligent and considered, it was still just one of many posts on a new detector by people who haven't even had it in their hands. Monte conceded this. The new detector coming out from Tesoro has prompted a lot of discussion, some positive, some not so. Del, I think you are on the right track. I dont know why Monte's post was removed, the Moderators nor Admin have not confided in us to that degree, but a most from another member indicated that the thread started by Monte's post was becoming quite nasty, possibly including personal attacks. Such posts (and attacks) seem to me to be unnecessary and even damaging to our hobby, which is supposed to be fun. All this about a detector that the forum members have not even seen, let alone tried. I think Monte's post would have been more worthwhile if he had written it after he had tried the Outlaw.

 

[D&P-OR]

Hello Furious------Both Larry and Elton explained to us as to why the post was removed (deleted) in Larrys post "Moderator Note" and Eltons "Just for the record" response which was made in the "Thank You Moderator" post (both of those posts were made on the Tesoro Forum).------Hope everything is going well with you in OZ land my friend.----------Del

Just my 2c worth. I read Monte's post, and although it was meticulous, thoughtful, intelligent and considered, it was still just one of many posts on a new detector by people who haven't even had it in their hands. Monte conceded this. The new detector coming out from Tesoro has prompted a lot of discussion, some positive, some not so. Del, I think you are on the right track. I dont know why Monte's post was removed, the Moderators nor Admin have not confided in us to that degree, but a most from another member indicated that the thread started by Monte's post was becoming quite nasty, possibly including personal attacks. Such posts (and attacks) seem to me to be unnecessary and even damaging to our hobby, which is supposed to be fun. All this about a detector that the forum members have not even seen, let alone tried. I think Monte's post would have been more worthwhile if he had written it after he had tried the Outlaw.

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

Well the new guy responded to Monte's really well thought out article (as they always are) with some crap about him being a White's shill, more or less. Joke. He comes on here and attacks a guy who is well respected and generally says what he believes is true, and I don't think Monte has anything against Tesoro. But the new guy with his 8 posts at the time tries to stir up some crap after Monte probably spent two hours writing a thought provoking article. Sorry everyone missed it. You missed a great read. Of course the new guy is not new. He's just too chicken crap to post under the name someone might recognize him by, and goes on the attack because any nerd can do that in the comfort of his little computer room with no chance of anyone retaliating. Candy ass.

 

[Monte]

Naturaslly, this is directed toward the one individual we all recognize by a new name.

1st.. Who am I? I go by Monte on the forums, and used to use MonteVon. My name is Monte V. Berry Sr. I currently live in NW Oregon.

2nd.. How long have I been associated with metal detectors and the metal detecting industry? I built my first metal/mineral locator in March of '65. I used home-built models until I put my first factory-produced detector to work in the Summer of 1968. That was a White's GhostTowner BFO.

The only period of time I had limited use of metal detectors was when I was in Viet Nam in '69-'70, except when I went on R&R.

I have worked for 5 different metal detector shops through the years.

I became a Garrett Dealer in 1977, and in 1981 I switched to the Gold Mountain model. In 1983 I took on the Tesoro line after they released the Inca, and I continued to be a Dealer the bulk of the time until November 2004.

I worked for Compass Electronics from Jule '87 until sometime in '89 as the Dealer coordinator and Marketing Rep.

About '89 thru '92, I also repped Compass, Garrett, Gold Mountain Technologies and Pillar.

I have been asked to field test prototype models and new, pre-release models through the years from Compass, Gold Mountain, Gold Mountain Technologies, White's and a few other detector makers.

I have used most land-based models for most manufacturers in this period of time, and in my 48th year of detecting I feel I have a reasonably good working knowledge of the products, their design performance (or intended performance), and certain 'industry trends' that have lead to improved manufacturer status as well as the demise of some.

3rd.. Do I have a gripe with Tesoro? In general, no, I don't. Have I had my frustrations with Tesoro? Yes. The no-longer-there brother spoke with me on the phone when I had an early production Cort

 

[dbsmokey]

Somebody please tell me who Namolos is...I am dying to know. Thanks for the honest evaluation, Monte.

 

[SkiWhiz]

There has been talk here and on other forums about "Monte's Outlaw" thread and I want to let you know what I said Monte & that is that I that I have the upmost repect for Monte but doubt that he has ever held one in his hands. I didn't mean it to be offensive but even very knowledable people such as you can not be certain how this new detector will work until using it. I have learned many things over the years thanks to your posts, emails to me,etc. there are very few times in life when everyone agrees on anything but most of us old timers know what an asset you are to the hobby.

 

[Furious T]

Thanks Del, have read those posts (now). Things are turning colder here...getting frosts in the am and nights getting colder. Where I am (northern NSW) the days are still beautiful, but the last 9 months the weather has been all over the place, so I dont know what sort of winter we will have....maybe bleak and miserable; I hope not. Take care, Pete

 

[Jerry-Wi]

Somebody please tell me who Namolos is...I am dying to know. Thanks for the honest evaluation, Monte.

Spell Namolos backwards and I think you are pretty close. Just a guess.

Jerry