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MX Sport Just read the field test by Andy Sabisch looks good!
- Thread starter Frank in NH
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MrBranton33
New member
I also had some one way hits on deep coins in the Coin & Jewelry mode. These were around 9 inches deep as well. In Relic mode the machine seems a bit deeper and the All Metal audio sounds off nicely on those deeper coins. I'd check those out in the field for sure. The area I was testing in is highly mineralized, so I was expecting to have a hard time on the very deep stuff. The 7 inch coins were hitting hard with a very good ID. I have a ten inch quarter buried there, and it was a no go for me in coin and jewelry. It tried to hit a little, but not enough to notice if sweeping along normally. I checked it out with my F75 in BP, 99 sens, and zero disc, and all it would give me was an iron grunt. Very surprising there. Pulled out my V3i with the 13 inch coil, and it picked it up no problem. Looks like the V3i is still the king in this test bed 
I filmed it all, but am going to do it again with all my machines with similar sized coils to be fair.
I filmed it all, but am going to do it again with all my machines with similar sized coils to be fair.Andy Sabisch
Active member
Neil
Did some testing with the two units on three small gold targets . . . . see the photo of the items tested.
Here is the results of the air test (almost hate saying that . . . did not get time to take them to the beach and test them) - I took a depth at which the response was discernible not where you would likely miss it .
[attachment 327774 TestSamples.jpg]
MX SPORT
========================
Coin / Jewelry Mode (Audio Modulation OFF, Sensitivity at
- Heart: .... 6"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 4.5"
- Earring ..... 6.5"
Beach Mode (Sensitivity at
- Heart: .... 4"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 0" (No Response?????)
- Earring ..... 2"
All Metal Mode
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 7.5"
================================================
Teknetics T2 LTD and G2+ (similar performance when tested)
Discriminate (Set at "10" and Gain at 90)
- Heart: .... 5.5"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 5"
All Metal (Gain at 90, Threshold barely audible)
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 6"
- Earring ..... 7"
==========================================================
Obviously comparing air tests is one piece . . .how it operates on the beach especially with black sand and salt is another . . . . odd difference with the BEACH mode which has SALT TRACK on in terms of response to the gold items.
Hope this helps . . .
Andy
Did some testing with the two units on three small gold targets . . . . see the photo of the items tested.
Here is the results of the air test (almost hate saying that . . . did not get time to take them to the beach and test them) - I took a depth at which the response was discernible not where you would likely miss it .
[attachment 327774 TestSamples.jpg]
MX SPORT
========================
Coin / Jewelry Mode (Audio Modulation OFF, Sensitivity at
- Heart: .... 6"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 4.5"
- Earring ..... 6.5"
Beach Mode (Sensitivity at
- Heart: .... 4"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 0" (No Response?????)
- Earring ..... 2"
All Metal Mode
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 7.5"
================================================
Teknetics T2 LTD and G2+ (similar performance when tested)
Discriminate (Set at "10" and Gain at 90)
- Heart: .... 5.5"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 5"
All Metal (Gain at 90, Threshold barely audible)
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 6"
- Earring ..... 7"
==========================================================
Obviously comparing air tests is one piece . . .how it operates on the beach especially with black sand and salt is another . . . . odd difference with the BEACH mode which has SALT TRACK on in terms of response to the gold items.
Hope this helps . . .
Andy
Andy Sabisch
Active member
The stock coil does balance a tad nose heavy . . . . but the 6x10 and 950 Eclipse coils seemed to be better balanced. The trade off is that the stock coil is solid making it well suited for the water while the others are hollow and will tend to float when submerged.
Andy
Andy
Neil
Well-known member
Thank you Andy. When not in beach mode the two units seem to be very similar in response. The beach mode I would guess is purely a salt water setting, no need for it in fresh water. This is a very interesting unit, Whites makes a good product indeed so I will probably be checking this out.
HH
Neil
HH
Neil
Andy Sabisch
Active member
Had some requests for how the AT Pro responded to the same three targets so here is the data from an AT Pro with the stock DD coil:
CUSTOM Pro Mode - only iron rejected (Sensitivity at 7)
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 7"
The response was a tad sharper on the MX Sport
Both were tested without headphones; i.e. internal speaker.
Depth was at the point a clear response was heard with some consistency.
Andy
CUSTOM Pro Mode - only iron rejected (Sensitivity at 7)
- Heart: .... 7"
- Dolphin Earring ..... 5"
- Earring ..... 7"
The response was a tad sharper on the MX Sport
Both were tested without headphones; i.e. internal speaker.
Depth was at the point a clear response was heard with some consistency.
Andy
Andy,
I didn't read your FT so can I ask a question?
Did you 'dunk' the coil in the shallows and get waves breaking over it?
What kind of audio did you hear?
What was the MAX Sens you could run over wet sand without instability?
Did you get 'a signal' if you touched the coil on the sand?
Des D
I didn't read your FT so can I ask a question?
Did you 'dunk' the coil in the shallows and get waves breaking over it?
What kind of audio did you hear?
What was the MAX Sens you could run over wet sand without instability?
Did you get 'a signal' if you touched the coil on the sand?
Des D
Andy Sabisch
Active member
Des,
As I expanded on in my PM to you, I for one do not live on the forums and was asked to post on another site by the administrator. As far as problems that you seem focused on playing up, there are issues but none that render the MX Sport a dog when it comes to performance. It offers features in a waterproof housing that you will not find on another detector and with the optional coils, handles a range of sites and applications well. There are some points that could use some refinement but it is not clear why you seem focused on finding fault with the detector.
How about sticking to the purpose of the forum which is to exchange information and not throws rocks at people or machines?
Andy
As I expanded on in my PM to you, I for one do not live on the forums and was asked to post on another site by the administrator. As far as problems that you seem focused on playing up, there are issues but none that render the MX Sport a dog when it comes to performance. It offers features in a waterproof housing that you will not find on another detector and with the optional coils, handles a range of sites and applications well. There are some points that could use some refinement but it is not clear why you seem focused on finding fault with the detector.
How about sticking to the purpose of the forum which is to exchange information and not throws rocks at people or machines?
Andy
I like your reply Andy. I have purchased the mx sport and am learning this unit. It seems to be a very good unit. Most of my finds have been on edge. Just hunting areas ive hammered pretty hard with a variety of machines that ive owned. This is a top notch unit I think
Precisely Andy.
To exchange information.
That's why I asked you twice for you to share some with me.
I pm'd you but it seems your "Inbox is Full"
( so theoretically that makes three times )
No. I'm not trying to bash the MX S in any way whatsoever.
It's that I was sent a Test Model
I experienced 'some operational issues' with it.
Since Jan / Feb of this year you are the only person who has intimate knowledge about it and could have shed some light on what I was experiencing?
But you as I said, didn't reply to both my requests to answer and hopefully solve the issues / questions I needed to know.
I had to return my MX Sport and it was something I found quite difficult to do because I was really liking this unit as it offered some potential in one of my difficult sites.
It 'unmasked' at least 2 items that remained " previously undetectable" for years and missed by countless other machines.
I also liked it on the beach despite some 'operational peculiarities' I had hoped that you might have shed some light on for me.
No Andy.
You've been unfair: I'm a "White's" fan and supporter and have been since 1982 when I Sold "White's" detectors and that helped me get through 3 years of college and to get my degree.
I'm now hoping "White's" will return to me an even BETTER Product and I can't wIt to get out with it again!
I just loved it's Build and just couldn't get over how such a nicely engineered package could be offered at so reasonable a cost?
Hats off and Kudos to "White's"
Oh, just before I forget.
I "don't live on the forums" but when I find 'a thread', I follow it and for better or for worse, I got a Smartphone and it's just so easy now to "check stuff" anywhere, anytime...
So you might be right in a way...maybe I am looking at the phone a bit too much in between my Field Tests for 2 articles that I'm on "Deadlines" for!
Des D
To exchange information.
That's why I asked you twice for you to share some with me.
I pm'd you but it seems your "Inbox is Full"
( so theoretically that makes three times )
No. I'm not trying to bash the MX S in any way whatsoever.
It's that I was sent a Test Model
I experienced 'some operational issues' with it.
Since Jan / Feb of this year you are the only person who has intimate knowledge about it and could have shed some light on what I was experiencing?
But you as I said, didn't reply to both my requests to answer and hopefully solve the issues / questions I needed to know.
I had to return my MX Sport and it was something I found quite difficult to do because I was really liking this unit as it offered some potential in one of my difficult sites.
It 'unmasked' at least 2 items that remained " previously undetectable" for years and missed by countless other machines.
I also liked it on the beach despite some 'operational peculiarities' I had hoped that you might have shed some light on for me.
No Andy.
You've been unfair: I'm a "White's" fan and supporter and have been since 1982 when I Sold "White's" detectors and that helped me get through 3 years of college and to get my degree.
I'm now hoping "White's" will return to me an even BETTER Product and I can't wIt to get out with it again!
I just loved it's Build and just couldn't get over how such a nicely engineered package could be offered at so reasonable a cost?
Hats off and Kudos to "White's"
Oh, just before I forget.
I "don't live on the forums" but when I find 'a thread', I follow it and for better or for worse, I got a Smartphone and it's just so easy now to "check stuff" anywhere, anytime...
So you might be right in a way...maybe I am looking at the phone a bit too much in between my Field Tests for 2 articles that I'm on "Deadlines" for!
Des D
Andy Sabisch said:
Not a dog in performance,,, so that is describing the detector--- is that what you said in fact in your magazine review about it. I'll be honest, I Never read the review.
So folks should indeed be satisfied as long as it is not a dog???
Shocking to hear this coming from someone with as much experience!!!
Well,, maybe we should ask you to identify the dog detectors--- we sure wouldn't want to spend loot on those...
Andy Sabisch
Active member
To those that feel the need to make posts accusing others of being "bought" and sugar coating reports to help sales, I'd like to make a few comments in response.
1) Anyone that knows me knows that I do not sugar coat reports and there have been many times when manufacturers do not care for the feedback I provide but they can hear it from me or hear it when the unit is released. In terms of the MX Sport, we went through several iterations as they worked on the firmware to address issues that were identified - and in some cases, we were the sole voice in the wind saying there was something needing attention. This is not always the case with testers and in fact, Des might dust off the cobwebs and reflect back on the Minelab E-Trac project where Bill Paxton and I were the only two pointing out issues while others were leery about saying anything as they worked for the company. The two of us held our ground and the issues were eventually addressed before release.
2) There was nothing in my report that was factually incorrect nor alluding to the "dog" performance. In fact I pulled some finds at depths that surprised me with signals that were impossible to miss. The two optional coils were my preference but the 6x10 DD has been my go-to coil on my MXT Pro for years.
3) The question about going into the salt water and seeing how it responded . . . well, the field test clearly said in December I was not going in the salt water at the ocean so continually asking me how it performed seemed a tad tired. It has a beach mode and does as well as the Beach mode on other White's units but it is not a multi-frequency unit nor a PI unit . . and expecting a single frequency VLF to perform on that level is unrealistic.
4) As far as following threads and using a smartphone . . . well, hats off to those that do that. I have a government issued cell phone from work that does not do forums and I do not get personal E-mails on it. Glad some of you do including Des but to be honest, I tend to respond better to a call or direct E-mail.
White's built a unit that was intended to satisfy a wide range of users and the settings work better for some than others - and in most cases it is a personal preference. There was a recent software issue identified and corrected with software updates being done by the factory to take of those customers that see an issue that they want addressed . . .many of those using the MX Sport see no issues and in fact are doing quite well with it.
Des, you said you had to return your MX Sport . . . care to enlighten us as to what the issue was that caused you to return it? You might have tried contacting the factory first to see if there was something they were aware of rather than hoping for a response here on the forums . . . . especially not the official White's forum or Facebook page which they monitor continually.
So unless you know me, I would appreciate not making accusations hidden behind a forum name . . . . always easy to hide in anonymity.
Andy Sabisch
1) Anyone that knows me knows that I do not sugar coat reports and there have been many times when manufacturers do not care for the feedback I provide but they can hear it from me or hear it when the unit is released. In terms of the MX Sport, we went through several iterations as they worked on the firmware to address issues that were identified - and in some cases, we were the sole voice in the wind saying there was something needing attention. This is not always the case with testers and in fact, Des might dust off the cobwebs and reflect back on the Minelab E-Trac project where Bill Paxton and I were the only two pointing out issues while others were leery about saying anything as they worked for the company. The two of us held our ground and the issues were eventually addressed before release.
2) There was nothing in my report that was factually incorrect nor alluding to the "dog" performance. In fact I pulled some finds at depths that surprised me with signals that were impossible to miss. The two optional coils were my preference but the 6x10 DD has been my go-to coil on my MXT Pro for years.
3) The question about going into the salt water and seeing how it responded . . . well, the field test clearly said in December I was not going in the salt water at the ocean so continually asking me how it performed seemed a tad tired. It has a beach mode and does as well as the Beach mode on other White's units but it is not a multi-frequency unit nor a PI unit . . and expecting a single frequency VLF to perform on that level is unrealistic.
4) As far as following threads and using a smartphone . . . well, hats off to those that do that. I have a government issued cell phone from work that does not do forums and I do not get personal E-mails on it. Glad some of you do including Des but to be honest, I tend to respond better to a call or direct E-mail.
White's built a unit that was intended to satisfy a wide range of users and the settings work better for some than others - and in most cases it is a personal preference. There was a recent software issue identified and corrected with software updates being done by the factory to take of those customers that see an issue that they want addressed . . .many of those using the MX Sport see no issues and in fact are doing quite well with it.
Des, you said you had to return your MX Sport . . . care to enlighten us as to what the issue was that caused you to return it? You might have tried contacting the factory first to see if there was something they were aware of rather than hoping for a response here on the forums . . . . especially not the official White's forum or Facebook page which they monitor continually.
So unless you know me, I would appreciate not making accusations hidden behind a forum name . . . . always easy to hide in anonymity.
Andy Sabisch
Audio issues.
Of course it was reported to the factory. I was advised to return the whole unit. That disappointed me 'cos I had been asking them to test it the moment I heard about it.
It's very difficult to describe 'audio' but it's very easy to hear when it's not quite right.
The audio [ at times ] sounded like you played a few notes on a keyboard in rapid succession but then [ split a single tone into three separate sounds in increasing pitch ]
At the same time as that it might also [ attempt to suppress ] the audio [ not discriminate it out ] but "flatten the sounds"
It was also 'squwaky' like a bad connection to the speaker.
It also [ pulsed ] almost as if it was pushing along just behind the audio signals...like I said, hard to describe but that happened just a few times.
My 'gut feeling' is a Elliptical coil would be a better standard coil: something like their "Eclipse" as it would [ slice ] the responses better due to [ less pick-up ] at the sides (and front & back)
My V3 was a 'bit squwaky' at times and I quickly changed the supplied coil for the "Eclipse 950 round"
At the same time not every signal was "bad" and it was quite good and it's such an easy detector to operate. Logical. Smart. Easy.
It's either "Options On" or "Options Off" - for example, in Beach Mode the Salt Track Option is On but you won't see it in the Menu Options.
But Salt Track [ is available ] in the other Mode Options and it can help when [ inland ] hunting as well.
For example, earlier this week a friend's permission invitation found us at a field very pot marked by cattle hooves and they had been in there for winter feed and you could see the "dried urine stains" on the soil and I changed the "Racer 2" from Two Tone to Beach Mode and this helped settle it down because it was a bit 'unstable' due to the urine and the holes (and electric fencing to a lesser degree) But Beach Mode was super quiet and I did dig coins ( the other guys found one coin between them)
The MX Sport' Discrimination is one of the best and easiest systems to use I have found to date.
It's Reject Volume is fantastic...I really liked this feature especially on the beach. It allows you to hear even non-ferrous you just passed over! Great. I found it best for [ my ears ] at 20%
As I already stated (and I'm not afraid to say it) the cost of it, a really low one when compared to a She T Ex is mind blowing! I always said that even before it was introduced...a lone voice in amongst all the 'YES' men!
Did we really want such a HEAVY contraption???
I'm looking forward to getting out with an MX Sport again very soon.
Good Hunting
Des D
Of course it was reported to the factory. I was advised to return the whole unit. That disappointed me 'cos I had been asking them to test it the moment I heard about it.
It's very difficult to describe 'audio' but it's very easy to hear when it's not quite right.
The audio [ at times ] sounded like you played a few notes on a keyboard in rapid succession but then [ split a single tone into three separate sounds in increasing pitch ]
At the same time as that it might also [ attempt to suppress ] the audio [ not discriminate it out ] but "flatten the sounds"
It was also 'squwaky' like a bad connection to the speaker.
It also [ pulsed ] almost as if it was pushing along just behind the audio signals...like I said, hard to describe but that happened just a few times.
My 'gut feeling' is a Elliptical coil would be a better standard coil: something like their "Eclipse" as it would [ slice ] the responses better due to [ less pick-up ] at the sides (and front & back)
My V3 was a 'bit squwaky' at times and I quickly changed the supplied coil for the "Eclipse 950 round"
At the same time not every signal was "bad" and it was quite good and it's such an easy detector to operate. Logical. Smart. Easy.
It's either "Options On" or "Options Off" - for example, in Beach Mode the Salt Track Option is On but you won't see it in the Menu Options.
But Salt Track [ is available ] in the other Mode Options and it can help when [ inland ] hunting as well.
For example, earlier this week a friend's permission invitation found us at a field very pot marked by cattle hooves and they had been in there for winter feed and you could see the "dried urine stains" on the soil and I changed the "Racer 2" from Two Tone to Beach Mode and this helped settle it down because it was a bit 'unstable' due to the urine and the holes (and electric fencing to a lesser degree) But Beach Mode was super quiet and I did dig coins ( the other guys found one coin between them)
The MX Sport' Discrimination is one of the best and easiest systems to use I have found to date.
It's Reject Volume is fantastic...I really liked this feature especially on the beach. It allows you to hear even non-ferrous you just passed over! Great. I found it best for [ my ears ] at 20%
As I already stated (and I'm not afraid to say it) the cost of it, a really low one when compared to a She T Ex is mind blowing! I always said that even before it was introduced...a lone voice in amongst all the 'YES' men!
Did we really want such a HEAVY contraption???
I'm looking forward to getting out with an MX Sport again very soon.
Good Hunting
Des D
Does the phrase "Payback is a Bitch" hold true here? It appears all those misleading and cheesy videos are catching up with Whites. Seems like a lot of people are sending them back as soon as they get them and even after they come back how do really know the problem has been corrected? Seems like the solution is not to hunt in trashy areas, good luck with that. People talk about the change in management as taking the company in a new direction. What would that be, backwards?
OregonGregg
Well-known member
If I did have an interest in the MX Sport and purchased one and had to send it back, well thats life sometimes. But it does kinda make futures sales a bit tougher. I went through the bad plastic coil problem with my original Racer. Sent several coils back, not a big deal as i had a new one a week later. Nokta/Makro like Whites will take care of their customers. What kinda got to me was the statements that Steve Howard from Whites said........It's better then the silly Frenchie thing ( XP Deus) and " Garrett might at least have enough competences to know you can't have wireless underwater" Well you have better make darn sure you have a very good machine if your gonna make those kinds of remarks. So Steve I ask, Does Whites have enough competence to get the software right ? Apparently not on the first try, maybe the second try will see better results?
In all fairness to Andy (kinda getting verbally whacked on a few threads), I think he possibly did have a good functioning machine. It seems to me they might have made a last second tweak. If so it should have been sent back out for testing before going into production. Its the same thing that they did with the MX5, machines tested good, then at the last second they added in one little diode then sent to production. Had they sent it back out to a few testers first, they would have realized that the one little change created a tone glitch. If Andy had tried the MX Sport that I tried, I think he would have realized quite soon that something was amiss.
However,at the end of the day the machines will be fixed and this will all come to pass. It just seems lately that Whites chooses the hard way to get to the "end of the day"
In all fairness to Andy (kinda getting verbally whacked on a few threads), I think he possibly did have a good functioning machine. It seems to me they might have made a last second tweak. If so it should have been sent back out for testing before going into production. Its the same thing that they did with the MX5, machines tested good, then at the last second they added in one little diode then sent to production. Had they sent it back out to a few testers first, they would have realized that the one little change created a tone glitch. If Andy had tried the MX Sport that I tried, I think he would have realized quite soon that something was amiss.
However,at the end of the day the machines will be fixed and this will all come to pass. It just seems lately that Whites chooses the hard way to get to the "end of the day"
OregonGregg
Well-known member
IN what direction Whites is going. Appears they have no problem changing "management" and now this.
http://whiteselectronics.net/
http://www.jimmysierra.com/
http://whiteselectronics.net/
http://www.jimmysierra.com/