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my newest detecting accessory:cheers:

Neil

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shes a 2008 but shes new to me. this should not only get me to the beach in the worst of weather but out on the beach as well. my minivan just could not handle this past winters snow, time for something a little higher off the ground. once the moths stop flying out of my wallet I might swing for a small boat as well to hit some special beaches and bring home some fresh crabs as well:cheers:
 
Nice truck. Nice color. Plenty of room in the back seat for detecting stuff. And last but not least it is a great brand. HH :clapping::minelab:
 
AND KNOW PRESENTING The Detecting Support Vehicle:yo::please::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
nice truck..
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jphn
 
Nice truck. I'm a Ford man myself. I just junked my old Ranger which I bought new in 1994. It had over 300,000 miles on it and was still running strong. Only reason why I junked it was because the original clutch went and it was giving me major hassles trying to pull it out. Had I not got frustrated with it I would have fixed the thing and probably got another 100,000 miles out of it. Didn't burn or leak oil, either. Even still had the original exhaust because they are stainless steel (NEVER let somebody talk you into replacing the stock exhaust. A new one will rot out in about two years. Always fix it.)

So about a month ago I also bought a "new" truck. A 2000 Ranger 4 door Supercab, flare sides, bedliner, hard (locking) tonnea cover. Loving the four doors. This one is a 3.0 V6 and an automatic. No rust.

I was lucky. I had priced these trucks at about twenty different lots and also online and knew that one with these features and that year would go for about $6800 to $7800, and with more miles than this one (it has 92,000 miles). After hitting a bunch of lots one day I pulled into a Nissan dealer on a whim and asked if he had any traded in Rangers. As luck would have it they just took this truck in a few hours before and hadn't even cleaned it yet (it was a mess) let alone inspected it. I told them not to bother doing either and to just let me take it for a test spin and inspect it myself.

When I got back I noticed all their used vehicles were $10,000 and up, so I figured this truck was headed to a dealer auction for another dealer to buy who deals in cheaper vehicles. I threw that out there to him and said "What are you going to get for this truck at a dealer auction?" He said about $4800 tops. I would have took it for that but figured I'd try to wheel and deal him even further. I had a list of minor things wrong with it and said that if he fixed those things I'd pay that, or I'd give him $4400 and I'd fix these things and clean the truck myself. Sold! Can't believe my luck. I figure this truck should have gone for about $6800 to $7900 from all my research, and that's with more miles and no bedliner or locking cover (the kind that lift up like a door).

I've given it a complete tune up and flushed all the fluids, replacing them with synthetics. Even doing the differential with synthetic. I'm shooting for half a million miles on this one.
 
Wouldn't like to pay the Gas bill on either of them although they are nice, Gas here is $5.50 a gallon for diesel(1.09
 
kered we are at $2.65/gallon here for gas, not sure what diesel costs but its been a little more than gas for a few years now. Its got a 5.3L motor, over 300 ft lb of torque which I wanted for towing.
where are you located for gas to be so high?
 
I'm in Spain, Gas(petrol) is even more expensive $6.33/gallon (1.26
 
My prior Ranger had a 2.3l 4 banger and got about 27 to 33 MPG depending on driving. I really didn't want a V6 in this one but it's almost impossible to find the supercab with the 4 banger in it. They also sell this Ranger with a 4.0 V6, which I think is insane based on how much power this truck already has with the 3.0 V6. I'm averaging about 23.5 MPG which isn't bad but that isn't great either.

I still have to change the plugs (double platnums) and I'm also going to change the oxygen sensors (THREE on this thing!). Both deals can hurt your gas milage. Many people think an O2 sensor is fine so long as the check engine light isn't on. They work in a "window" of normal parameters so if it's at the very edge of this window (just to the point of almost being bad and flagging the engine light) your milage can suffer.

I cleaned the throttle body (a must for milage/power) and the MAF sensor, but still need to pull off the IAC and EGR Valve/Air Tube to clean those as well. I know from experience that those things should be cleaned about once a year and you'll find a ton of carbon in them. About the only other thing I still need to change as well would be the fuel filter.

Fluids are the life blood. If you don't want to bleed the brakes/power steering then at least use a turkey baster to suck out as much fluid from them as possible and replace with synthetic. After a week or so do this again. After doing this several times over say a month you'll have pretty much new fluid in the entire system for them. Once you've had to change a leaking power steering pitman arm gasket or a brake caliper due to old brake fluid (and a good chunk of brake line) you'll find a few minutes doing the above once a year to be quick and easy preventive health.
 
Critterhunter said:
My prior Ranger had a 2.3l 4 banger and got about 27 to 33 MPG depending on driving. I really didn't want a V6 in this one but it's almost impossible to find the supercab with the 4 banger in it. They also sell this Ranger with a 4.0 V6, which I think is insane based on how much power this truck already has with the 3.0 V6. I'm averaging about 23.5 MPG which isn't bad but that isn't great either.

I still have to change the plugs (double platnums) and I'm also going to change the oxygen sensors (THREE on this thing!). Both deals can hurt your gas milage. Many people think an O2 sensor is fine so long as the check engine light isn't on. They work in a "window" of normal parameters so if it's at the very edge of this window (just to the point of almost being bad and flagging the engine light) your milage can suffer.

I cleaned the throttle body (a must for milage/power) and the MAF sensor, but still need to pull off the IAC and EGR Valve/Air Tube to clean those as well. I know from experience that those things should be cleaned about once a year and you'll find a ton of carbon in them. About the only other thing I still need to change as well would be the fuel filter.

Fluids are the life blood. If you don't want to bleed the brakes/power steering then at least use a turkey baster to suck out as much fluid from them as possible and replace with synthetic. After a week or so do this again. After doing this several times over say a month you'll have pretty much new fluid in the entire system for them. Once you've had to change a leaking power steering pitman arm gasket or a brake caliper due to old brake fluid (and a good chunk of brake line) you'll find a few minutes doing the above once a year to be quick and easy preventive health.

thats good mpg but Ive had the 2.3L in a ranger years ago and its a doggy motor, compared to say the toyota 2.4 or nissan 2.3. Im not a fan of one car company. Ive had a couple of fords towed out of my yard that have failed but would buy one again if I liked them. I dont care for their light truck line but the F250s and up are sweet. I actually looked at a few used rangers with the six cylinders but couldnt find a correct price/condition so I got the GMC. my first GMC this is. I have had a few chevys and dodges and they all seem about the same to me. Im just hoping she holds up well for awhile. best of luck with your ranger, sounds like you got a great deal on it. your right too, the 4 door setup is sweet.
Im still looking for a used but not abused 4x4 that is small enough for fire roads, most have been lifted and I dont want that. I might look into a jeep, never had one of those.something in the $5k range.
 
The Frontera is GM, badget as a vauxhall in uk, the motor is a 2.3 tdi(turbo diesel intercooler), and is Isuzi origin. I seem to remember they were sold as Honda in US

 
Neil said:
shes a 2008 but shes new to me. this should not only get me to the beach in the worst of weather but out on the beach as well. my minivan just could not handle this past winters snow, time for something a little higher off the ground. once the moths stop flying out of my wallet I might swing for a small boat as well to hit some special beaches and bring home some fresh crabs as well:cheers:

Yes you got to have a big car for transporting all that stuff.
My Safari and E C ll fits fine in my little MB. :bouncy:
 
Neil said:
Critterhunter said:
My prior Ranger had a 2.3l 4 banger and got about 27 to 33 MPG depending on driving. I really didn't want a V6 in this one but it's almost impossible to find the supercab with the 4 banger in it. They also sell this Ranger with a 4.0 V6, which I think is insane based on how much power this truck already has with the 3.0 V6. I'm averaging about 23.5 MPG which isn't bad but that isn't great either.

I still have to change the plugs (double platnums) and I'm also going to change the oxygen sensors (THREE on this thing!). Both deals can hurt your gas milage. Many people think an O2 sensor is fine so long as the check engine light isn't on. They work in a "window" of normal parameters so if it's at the very edge of this window (just to the point of almost being bad and flagging the engine light) your milage can suffer.

I cleaned the throttle body (a must for milage/power) and the MAF sensor, but still need to pull off the IAC and EGR Valve/Air Tube to clean those as well. I know from experience that those things should be cleaned about once a year and you'll find a ton of carbon in them. About the only other thing I still need to change as well would be the fuel filter.

Fluids are the life blood. If you don't want to bleed the brakes/power steering then at least use a turkey baster to suck out as much fluid from them as possible and replace with synthetic. After a week or so do this again. After doing this several times over say a month you'll have pretty much new fluid in the entire system for them. Once you've had to change a leaking power steering pitman arm gasket or a brake caliper due to old brake fluid (and a good chunk of brake line) you'll find a few minutes doing the above once a year to be quick and easy preventive health.

thats good mpg but Ive had the 2.3L in a ranger years ago and its a doggy motor, compared to say the toyota 2.4 or nissan 2.3. Im not a fan of one car company. Ive had a couple of fords towed out of my yard that have failed but would buy one again if I liked them. I dont care for their light truck line but the F250s and up are sweet. I actually looked at a few used rangers with the six cylinders but couldnt find a correct price/condition so I got the GMC. my first GMC this is. I have had a few chevys and dodges and they all seem about the same to me. Im just hoping she holds up well for awhile. best of luck with your ranger, sounds like you got a great deal on it. your right too, the 4 door setup is sweet.
Im still looking for a used but not abused 4x4 that is small enough for fire roads, most have been lifted and I dont want that. I might look into a jeep, never had one of those.something in the $5k range.

When I was in the market for a brand new truck in 94 I was looking at the S-10 for a while. What really turned me off was every brand new one I looked at already had surface rust in the bed at the spot welds! I'm talking again about brand new trucks here that were already rusting through the paint inside the bed. Said no way to that. Early 90's Rangers (don't know if they still do?) have a large portion of the lower sheet metal on them made out of galvanized steel. Around 2000 I was T-Boned in the back wheel well and not only did that bang up the sheet metal but it took off a lot of paint. I pocketed the insurance money and never fixed it. Flash forward 8 years and no rust on exposed metal, just minor surface rusty color but nothing eating into metal. I finally got off my lazy bum and fiberglassed the damage.

The 2.3L is right up there with the Dodge Slant 6 of yester-year in terms of longevity. I know of guys who have 600 or 700 thousand miles on that motor and still not burning oil. Ford has made that motor for years and it's for the most part bullet proof. Same deal with the Ranger. That basic frame/body/drive train has been around since I think 1983, which means they've worked out the bugs. Really only the cosmetics, interior, and of course technology has changed on that truck in the version that exists to this day. As they always say, never buy a new vehicle design in it's first two or three years of production until it's been worked out with it's problems.

Anyway, depends on which 2.3L you got as far as power goes. My 94 had 8 plugs (2 per cylinder). Not a power horse but not bad, but then again I had a five speed clutch. I think the very next year or so they upped the horsepower a bit on it as well, and then went to the same motor but enlarged to a 2.7L for a few years. Now'a days I think it's back to being a 2.3L, probably because they improved the power through other means other than just enlarging the motor.

I always told people who thought foreign cars had better motors (remember, I said "thought") that it does you no good when the body is gone due to rust. I'd say since about the early 90's American cars are just as reliable and more so in certain respects. Even so, look at it this way...Even if a certain foreign car was say 2 times more reliable it's going to cost you 3 times the price for a part for it. I had a Probe with a Mazda engine in it and the alternator was $300! Remember, I'm talking about just the part. I do all my own work. An alternator for my 2.3l Ranger was somewhere in the $30 to $60 range. So long as you take care of a vehicle American cars are just as reliable as the ones from over seas, and even more so when it comes to salt on the roads (rust) and so on.

For a small 4x4 I'd look into the Chevy Tracker (they make them these days and I'm not talking about the old Geo Tracker of yester year that would blow it's motor in no time). I think Suzuki (?) also makes a version of this little "SUV" called the XS-5 or some other weird letter/number deal. Anyway, I've been told (but haven't checked) that this little SUV has held up to more abuse than any other SUV in some kind of contest they put all the latest models through. I heard something like that it's won that contest for several years in a row where they just beat on them. You'd have to check into it further to confirm this. Anyway, it's also the cheapest and smallest SUV (or very near the smallest, but for sure the cheapest I think) on the market these days. If you want something small that isn't going to break down on you then I'd confirm all this and look into one of those. I think they can be had for like $3000 to $6000 for a year 2000 and newer.

Here's my Toyota Commercial Idea....You know that one where the guys are shaking hands with customers who decided to come back and trust them? I figured why not show Toyotas in the background busting through windows and walls and taking off into the distance out of control while the Salesman tries to ignore it and talk to the customer. That would make a great Saturday Night Live Skit. What people don't realize is that the sticking gas pedal is just one of the problems. Some independent researchers believe there is also an electrical problem where the computer freezes up due to RF noise. Even driving under a power line might cause it. Also, for those who don't understand...MANY cars have both a physical throttle cable and a computer sensor on the throttle body (TPS- Throttle Position Sensor, which is pretty much a POT or variable resistor). What this means is that you've either got a sticking throttle cable or the TPS can develope a dead spot and think the throttle (butterfly) is at full. TPS tells the computer that the peddle is at full (when it's not) and the computer starts dumping more fuel to the injectors. Really the butterfly (throttle cable) might only control air flow in the throttle body these days and not the fuel flow so far as I know. Bottom line- sticking gas pedal? Yes, that's a problem on the Toyota, but it looks like even if that's not happening the computer is wigging out in many cases. I know I'd be covering the entire computer system with RF shielding myself until Toyota mans up to the problem and fixes it.
 
One more thing- The Toyota computer problem isn't really probably related to the TPS having a dead spot, but rather the computer just locking up. On the other hand, any car that uses a TPS to control gas flow to the injectors can go to high acceleration. A friend brought over a vehicle one day that was doing almost 40mph at idle with no foot on the gas. I broke out a multimeter and found the TPS (A Pot) was bad. Even though the throttle cable was at idle (along with the butterfly) the TPS was telling the computer to dump massive amounts of fuel into the engine. $20 later for a new TPS and all was well again.

What also is said to be going on with the Toyota's is that most would think that you could just turn off the key and the power to the computer would shut off. I'm not sure about this but based on the reports that say it doesn't work I would think the power to the computer isn't a simple ON/OFF switch control when you turn off the ignition. It might be using some kind of computer controlled relay where when it senses the ignition is turned off the computer decides to turn it's self off via a power relay it controls. If that's the case then that would explain things- computer is funked out in the first place and not only is the throttle control frozen but it can't even turn it's self off. Whoever these engineers are that are designing these things should be forced to get a Boiler's license. You learn nothing but redundant safety controls on boilders because of what can happen if things go bad (like taking out a city block). These guys need to think in terms of worse case situations and not what is neat and cool in how they can control things.
 
Thats a good point about the geo tracker, those are small. most of the fire roads are small but there are many old extinct towns to be had if you can get back deep enough. if I were to take this truck back in the fire roads it would look like freddy kruger got ahold of each side of it, they are that tight.
the reason I went this new is it just had to be a reliable vehicle, I dont have time to play around with it on days off. just put the key in and go.thanks for the reminder on the geo, someone else had passed that along as well.
 
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