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My ramblings on the subject of detector testing/comparing

Ray-Mo.

Active member
The only way to know if the E-Trac,Explorer, V3 or X or Y or Z is the better machine is to try them and decide for yourself and the one that suits you the best is the best for you.I read so many things biasing most every comparative test of any two machines as to make the tests of little value to any one but the person doing the tests.I guess they have two other values and that is they make you feel better about your new machine if it happens to be the same as the one that "won" in the particular shootout you are reading about at the time and they help sell more machines.
But what happens if a person feeling all warm and fuzzy about their new machine reads another similar test next week with exact opposite results :confused:

A person can only become confident in their machine by using it and learning it until it performs well for them at their sites.If this does not happen then they need to look around for a different machine or get better instruction on the operation of said machine.


Of course amount of experience on either or both machines has a great deal to do with the outcome or results of testing .And I always have to laugh when the testers get to the depth capability part of said tests:rofl:.like an extra inch of depth is the end all reason for deciding what machine is the best choice.
Most top end machines have rather close depth abilities I believe but there are so many more factors to make up a so called "best" machine.Ease of use and set-up.Available on-board options and if they are going to be used/needed by the individual choosing a new machine.Separation and ID abilities.Ergonomics and weight.Available accessories both factory and after-market.Cost and warranty and the list goes on as any educated shopper will be aware of.

The only way I can see to do a fair and unbiased test of any two or more machines is with at least one if not more very successful and experienced users of each machine being tested/compared doing side by side target response tests at actual real world sites.And these real world tests would have to be done under varied conditions as in soil matrix and moisture content.Would also need a wide range of sites going from very old and clean all the way to very new and trashy and all points between.
Then after all these requirements have been met we still have one more problem.....All proficient detectorists know it is much easier to hit on a target after it has all ready been marked so ideally for a test to be accurate we would need to have sites marked off in quadrants. Then each section would need to be detected by each participant out of site of each other with an observer plotting all the targets and listing there perceived Id's and then going back and comparing notes as the targets are recovered and results once again noted.

Sorry for my rambling and I guess all I am trying to say is most published tests/comparisons are not very thorough and should not be taken to seriously weather your favorite machine one or lost the contest :twodetecting:
PS Feel free to add your thoughts on the subject,Ray.
 
I can relate to some of the things you say. I have purchased machines and then read how poor the depth is, how unstable they are etc etc and it gives you a bad mind set from the get go.. ..From that point on you just look for a reason to get rid of it........ and you might as well.Because once the faith in the machine is compromised you will never do well with it, or like it. Thanks Ray a Very good post.
 
I agree with parts of what you are saying Ray. The part about having the testing done to specifics if you are indeed trying to determine the best machine.
But I dont see anything on these forums that is doing that kind of testing. I posted a comparison test that I did for myself and the differences I saw for myself and what I prefer to hunt with but I dont remember ever saying that one is definably dominate over another one. I just stated what I prefer. I am sorry if I didnt do my testing to your satisfaction or other peoples for that matter...but you know what? I did the testing for me! Not you or anyone else. For me.

Its a shame there has to be this big ego thing over minelab and Whites.....why cant they just be detectors and choice what you like and talk about each machines good and bad points like I did.

It seems by you writing this post that you fall right in with the people taking sides on which one is better. I just state the facts about what I think...thats all.
Post like this is what cracks me up! :rofl:
 
the only testing I do is when I hunt with other people and I get a good signal with my etrac and I call them over to check it with their machine, sometimes they can get the signal and sometimes they can't. When they can't get it and I dig a nice coin, it makes me glad I have an etrac. None of my friends have a V3 so I am not referring to that machine Magic. I won't even mention what machines they have, but they are top of the line
 
Goes4ever said:
the only testing I do is when I hunt with other people and I get a good signal with my etrac and I call them over to check it with their machine, sometimes they can get the signal and sometimes they can't. When they can't get it and I dig a nice coin, it makes me glad I have an etrac. None of my friends have a V3 so I am not referring to that machine Magic. I won't even mention what machines they have, but they are top of the line

And thats the way it should be! I do the same thing with my friends and even put up a V3 against a V3...its all about how well you know your machine and how you have it set for the area. I know I dont have experience with the E trac, but I wasnt conducting a test as to which one is better, just my thoughts on the two. I appreciate your understanding.
 
A little competition and comparisons can be fun now and then I guess but personally I don't care what machine I'm swinging since all the top line machines will find great stuff. I don't detect to brag about what machine I have (even if my Minelab does spank the competition, :poke:), I hunt because of the thrill of pulling something completely unexpected out of the ground and the peace of mind that detecting brings. That's what puts a smile on my face. :thumbup:
 
Hart-IN said:
A little competition and comparisons can be fun now and then I guess but personally I don't care what machine I'm swinging since all the top line machines will find great stuff. I don't detect to brag about what machine I have (even if my Minelab does spank the competition, :poke:), I hunt because of the thrill of pulling something completely unexpected out of the ground and the peace of mind that detecting brings. That's what puts a smile on my face. :thumbup:

This is a very good post! Sums up just about what I was thinking. If I could've only afforded at the time a $200 "X" machine, that is what I would've gotten. As it is, I really got into this hobby and even after only 6 months I would say it is now an obsession. I think about where I'm going to go during the day. I research my local county's historical museum and when I know I'm going to be somewhere else I look up possibilities to detect there also. That is
 
I have hunted for several hours with hardly any goodies and still went home happy and relaxed and at peace with the world:thumbup:
 
Ray-Mo. said:
I have hunted for several hours with hardly any goodies and still went home happy and relaxed and at peace with the world:thumbup:

Thats what its all about! :detecting:.
 
Side by side comparisons of signals (shallow, deep, masked, etc.) between machines is accurate/reliable to the extent of the detectorists expertise with each respective machine. I've been hunting over the past few weeks with a guy who's been a White's loyalist for 25 years, owning just about every Whites machine made. He uses the V3 now for his main, park hunting machine. I've been solely swinging an Explorer SE for the past 3 years, and have logged thousands of turf hours with it.

One major point to note before I continue.........my V3 buddy is "not" a deep silver coin guru. His main reason for hunting with the V3 is to find the gold.....any size, from the smallest to largest pieces, whether they be in the sand at beaches or tot-lots, or park turf. My expertise and the reason I love to detect is to look for the older coinage or relics. I hunt mostly trashy city park turf.

So we both use different machines and we both are targeting different items when we go out hunting. For my buddy, he feels he has the better machine (FOR HIM) for finding the gold of any size. And I wouldn't want to dispute that point with him....why? Because he's successful at finding gold!!! Yes, he digs a crap-load of trash, but he finds the gold too!! I could NOT even hear 4 or 5 pieces of small gold he had found with his machine when I passed them over my machine.....those pieces wouldn't make a peep on my SE, even in All metal and a strong sensitivity setting. He was getting consistent VDI's of 3-5 on those items with the V3. For my hunting and passion (FOR ME), I feel I have the best machine for finding the deeply buried and/or partially masked old coinage/relics. And my buddy wouldn't dispute that either. I let him pass over some 8-9" coin signals that I knew were deep silver or wheats(one turned out to be a merc at 9") that he said were giving him very broken signals (ID and tone) on his V3 while in a mode he was not very familiar with (deep silver program).

So, in conclusion, the best machine is the one you, as a detectorist, feel the most confident with. And confidence comes from countless hours spent hunting with your machine and/or your success with it!! :detecting:

Keep The Passion High!!

CAPTN SE
Dan
 
ive presently have a whites xlt read the etrac post cause im soon gettin one like to learn from you guys i hunt behind a friend wiyh a whites dfx and its hard to do he dont miss muchi also test my xlt on signals he gets i cant even hearhe has more ex perience then i have while im gettin better i still think dfx is just better detector and i do hope a new etrac mite help me even things up we will soon see my own side by side real time test and also will be re doing sites weve done together should be fun ill let you all see my results hopfully in new upcoming post lol remember metal detecting is after all for fun and relaxation
 
teleman2525 said:
ive presently have a whites xlt read the etrac post cause im soon gettin one like to learn from you guys i hunt behind a friend wiyh a whites dfx and its hard to do he dont miss muchi also test my xlt on signals he gets i cant even hearhe has more ex perience then i have while im gettin better i still think dfx is just better detector and i do hope a new etrac mite help me even things up we will soon see my own side by side real time test and also will be re doing sites weve done together should be fun ill let you all see my results hopfully in new upcoming post lol remember metal detecting is after all for fun and relaxation
well I hunt behind 2 guys who have DFX's and the etrac picks up stuff they miss! so soon you can follow behind him!
 
Tom Dankowski is very methodical and in depth on his approach on how to learn detectors and what they do. He points out all the variances from location, to soils to detectors that factor in. Certainly a great read to get you thinking wide open and also has at least one dvd also.

on detector comparison he states you pretty much have to stand in exact same spot(this is two people comparing detectors), swing the same sized and type coil over the exact same area and both detectorists would have to have each detector being compared set up optimally and proper swing speed.
anyone who has hunted the same spots over and over and keeps finding stuff is just verifying soil moistures, coil location and a myriad of other things all do indeed play a part in finding a target.

its all fun to talk about but for the most part most detector comparisons we read on the forums are not accurate.
one good point Ray makes is you really gotta find out for yourself, for the sites you hunt.
 
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