New Minelab Coming in less than then an hour and counting... (Just press the Minelab Banner above on forum..)

[Critterhunter]

 

[Critterhunter]

Couldn't resist posting one more thing and then I'll shut up until it's announced... Did some more indepth reading of the patent content and dug up some blurbs that make me think it might have the ability to adjust the output signal being generated. Not sure if it does indeed imply that, though...As it also sounds like it could just be an improved way of processing the received signal and not necessarily with the ability to change the output signal. Could go either way...

"including the step of generating a transmit signal, the transmit signal including at least three different frequency components, a relatively high frequency component, a relatively medium frequency component and a relatively low frequency component

the receive signal to produce an indicator output signal,

coefficients are selected such that the indicator output signal is approximately independent of log-linear frequency-dependent resistive signal components and log-uniform resistive signal components from the soil.

wherein the coefficients are selected such that the indicator output signal is further approximately independent of higher order effects of the soil under the influence of the transmitted magnetic field,

and small variations in a ratio ofrelatively medium frequency resistive components of the signals from soils and relatively low frequency resistive components of the signals from soils.

Note the frequency range below. It is a FBS machine...

wherein the soil includes magnetic materials with a complex magnetic permeability, a resistive component of the complex magnetic permeability including a first component which is approximately independent offrequency, and a second component which increases with frequency, at least over the range of frequencies from 1 kHz up to 100 kHz.

frequencies from 1 kHz up to 100 kHz, where k1 and k2 are constants and k2/k1 is material dependent, F isfrequency, and wherein the indicator output signal is independent of materials with said resistive components.

wherein the coefficients are selected such that the indicator output signal is further approximately independent of higher order effects of the soil under the influence of the transmitted magneticfield, the higher order effects include small variations in a ratio of relatively high frequency resistive components of the signals from soils and relatively medium frequency resistive components of the signals from soils, and small variations in aratio of relatively medium frequency resistive components of the signals from soils and relatively low frequency resistive components of the signals from soils.

including the resistive frequency spectrum being slightly dependent on the magnitude of the transmitted magnetic field. This said soil resistive component frequency dependence limits the detection depth in some highmagnetic permeable soils in the art described above.

Also note the stated capability enchancement this machine has below...

The inventor has contrived a means to address this problem and thus increase detection depth in such soils."

 

[Barry NY]

So my question is at what price point everyone would be willing to step in? They recently increased retail across the board with a $1549 suggested on the E-Trac.

Is everyone ready to drop $2000+ on this new machine?

 

[earthmansurfer]

Since many are guessing - I found this on a European forum. Sounds great (except for the price):

That I was informed that the Minelab recently release a new model of the detector. Model the CTX 3030 and it is a multi-frequency detector with wireless technology (headset), color display, built-in GPS, a telescope holder, waterproof to 3m, battery (additional box and rechargeable batteries). Now will be in two versions, standard (with wireless headphones and GPS) and initial (I think without a wireless headset and a GPS-only or without a wireless headset). Price a breeze, the current knowledge will be around 2700-2800 Euros). Who loves a go ahead . These days photos to be found on the website of the manufacturer.

 

[GKMan]

I am waiting for the used ones to start showing up . I saved so much money going that way with my E-Trac..

 

[Blank Planet]

what ever it is its great marketing to this point, but depending on what it is it also could be very bad marketing as people imaginations are being used as a selling tool and that is fought with danger because if its a let down to your imagination you will probably not even give it another look so 2 edged sword for minelab.

me want to know like everyone else what it is but if it is a new coin detector i don't need it most places around here are pretty well spent n terms of old silver and i sure wont be spending a heap of money for very little reward, it would have to do the retrieval for me as well as find it, once its all done around here pretty much game over for me go find a new hobby plenty of those around

its not a renewable resource old silver coins once they are gone they are gone and with many years of detecting most places are hit hard so i can not justify another silver machine only way i would buy one is if it can pick gold from trash and that's not going to happen so have a gold machine as well for jewellery so not much they can offer me . but i am still interested to see what the offering is.

BP

 

[Critterhunter]

No place is ever hunted out. Most people don't even dig one way good signals that are a total null or trashy sounding from the rest of the way around them. A friend and I have dug plenty of coins even in the last few weeks at a pounded out park that would only give a halfway decent coin signal from one spot all the way around the coin. Even cheap machines can find coins top end machines have missed, due to the processing process or the different coil dynamics that may make one machine read it as total junk what another machine (even a cheap one) reads it as good enough to take a chance on. There's also different styles among people even using the same exact detector in how they sweep the coil, or just how good a signal has to be for them to be considered dig worthy. I find the people who sit around and b*tch about all the good finds being gone at public places don't make nearly as good of finds, while those who keep optimism in their hearts always seem to come home with the silver or something else that is a keeper. It's all in the mindset, and not totally about what capibility a machine has.

 

[Blank Planet]

Critterhunter i am with you no argument's here got to work that pole. my point was spending big money on a machine that may find a few more coins is just bad economics in my book

BP

 

[earthmansurfer]

Critterhunter i am with you no argument's here got to work that pole. my point was spending big money on a machine that may find a few more coins is just bad economics in my book

BP

But I love the E-Trac... But it's too heavy for me. To get rid of the pain I'd save and pay for something portable and light with better depth and vid than the Deus. The Deus is nice for those like me that bike or take a train to get places.

 

[Critterhunter]

Critterhunter i am with you no argument's here got to work that pole. my point was spending big money on a machine that may find a few more coins is just bad economics in my book

BP

I can understand that perspective. In reality the only new machine that will pay for it's self easily would be one that can find the gold rings while leaving the trash behind. 99% of all old silver found just doesn't have enough value to really pay for that machine unless you get a key date or something, or unless you are digging enough quantity of silver to quickly add up to the cost of the machine.

On the other hand, a water machine can quickly and easily pay for it's self in gold that people find in well under a year or less. But still yet, I wonder how much faster people would pay for their land machines if they stopped hunting for the silver signals and started digging all the junk in high probability areas (sports fields, tot lots, volley ball courts, open areas of parks where frisbee and other sports are played, and so on) looking for gold rings. I bet they'd pay for those machines a lot quicker doing that land hunting. Sure, the treasure to trash ratio will be much higher in terms of how many gold rings you find versus junk, as compared to how many silver coins you dig as compared to junk, but in the end you'll make much more money off the gold rings.

I got lucky and land hunting dug an old 3 cent silver coin in mint condition as well as a seated quarter also in uncirculated condition. The local coin shop offered me $30 a piece. I put them on Craigslist locally and sold them for $40 a piece. Didn't want to sell them but I needed the money. A picture to me is just as good as the coin anyway. Anyway, those were the two most expensive silver coins I've found. The seated quarter book value was about $1300 if I wouldn't have scratched the tar out of it digging it up. DOH! The 3 cent piece was worth I think about $130 book value, but I was happy to get $40 a piece for them considering the money I needed at the time. Would I love to have held on to all the silver I've found over the years? You bet, atlhough just about all of it was common dates with no real value I did cash in a lot of those finds when silver prices were much lower than they are now.

One more thing about no place ever being hunted out...Even the exact same machine, besides how two guys swing or decide what is dig worthy, can have very different results just based on how high they have sensitivity or other things set up on that machine. Sometimes even a low sensitivity setting can "light up" less ground around or deeper than the coin and give a slightly better signal on it versus another guy using the same machine but with a blasted sensitivity setting. Ground minerals, masking, and so on can make one do better in IDing the target while the other has more problems. Besides sweep styles, how high they hold the coil, how fast they sweep, what angle they are sweeping, discrimination levels, and so on...Using the same exact machine...All that can make a difference...And then as said it's also about what one guy "hears" in the signal and considers dig worthy while the other guy says I'll pass on that. Even a cheap machine's coil has different eddy currents in the detection field that might hit slightly better on a target masked or on edge in some odd way and give the guy enough encourgement to dig that signal, while an expensive machine might for some odd reason not hit that target as well due to it's angle in the ground or something and so cause the hunter to pass on it.

Did promise not to open my mouth anymore today, but that was about the new machine, so I'm keeping my promise.

 

[Blank Planet]

well 4 hrs to go be glad when this is over or will it have just begun?

@ earthmansurfer yep lighter would be better no question but keeping the depth and ID.

@ Critterhunter keep postin man its good to get it out and i find i learn more about me if i write it down get it out and then more can come in at the end of the day its only our ears that hear and they are the only ones that matter, bummer about nickin that coin i think we have all learnt that one the hard way

well see you all on the other side of the 4hrs

BP

 

[JASONSPAZ1]

It has to be waterproof. Something like an AT-PRO but with the Minelab tech. I do think it is the replacement for the Sovereign. Seeing how they stopped carrying the meter and they no longer list it in any magazine ads. It may not be called the Sovereign 7 but I think the Sovereign will be dropped after this new unit takes off. In the end it could be a new digging apron. LOL

HH
Jason

 

[Barry NY]

Earthmansurfer - you got that off the MLO site...it looks like you are right!!
There is a Turkish forum saying the same stuff...
The dealers know but were all sworn to secrecy. I know for sure about the waterproof - so it all looks correct
Figure over $2500 to $3000. WOW...Did you think they were gonna trade us DOWN from a $1549 E-Trac?

WHOIS search results for: CTX3030.COM (Registered):
Domain Name.......... ctx3030.com
Creation Date........ 2012-03-30
Registration Date.... 2012-03-30
Expiry Date.......... 2013-03-30
Organisation Name.... Codan Limited

 

[Critterhunter]

This ain't from me so I'm still keeping my word to shut up about any more speculation on the new machine. This was posted in the Sovereign forum...

Its properly close to 2 grand with all the hupla going on , i did read some of the patent i saw water proof controls they called it a water proof cover mattress hhmm . Jim 5 hours !!

 

[Mach1Pilot]

No doubt whatever it is the price will be high.... its a Minelab after all!

 

[JamesBondaka]

One more thing about no place ever being hunted out...Even the exact same machine, besides how two guys swing or decide what is dig worthy, can have very different results just based on how high they have sensitivity or other things set up on that machine. Sometimes even a low sensitivity setting can "light up" less ground around or deeper than the coin and give a slightly better signal on it versus another guy using the same machine but with a blasted sensitivity setting. Ground minerals, masking, and so on can make one do better in IDing the target while the other has more problems. Besides sweep styles, how high they hold the coil, how fast they sweep, what angle they are sweeping, discrimination levels, and so on...Using the same exact machine...All that can make a difference...And then as said it's also about what one guy "hears" in the signal and considers dig worthy while the other guy says I'll pass on that. Even a cheap machine's coil has different eddy currents in the detection field that might hit slightly better on a target masked or on edge in some odd way and give the guy enough encourgement to dig that signal, while an expensive machine might for some odd reason not hit that target as well due to it's angle in the ground or something and so cause the hunter to pass on it.

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And other things too! You are totally right about this! Absolutely!

 

[earthmansurfer]

Huh, now we have to wait till May 11 for more information? Come on Minelab, don't leave us hanging like that!

 

[metalman709]

the ctx3030 looks pretty cool!!!!! waterproof etrac it looks like.....

 

[earthmansurfer]

n/t

 

[MNetrac]

Underwhelming "major announcement". Boo.