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New Minelab to replace the SE??

B

Big Boys Hobbies

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I heard a rumor, just a rumor, than Minelab was going to produce a new Explorer to replace the SE with a higher price new Explorer. Like they did with the Exterra 30/50 and then selling the better Exterra 70?

Anyone confirm this? Or is it just B.S.?

HH,
Stoops
 
Stoopstroop,
I would feel it's just B.S.mate.
I can't imagine what a higher end SE would have!

Hey, Stoopstroop ~ I hope not, I just bought an SE !!!
 
Probably BS!. Now here are my own thoughts on this subject. One thing i do think is that when the explorer 3 or what ever they will name it eventually arrives on the scene it will more than likely look much like all of the previous explorer's before it but with maybe a different paint job & new stickers and with a few little tweeks here and there. Tweeks that do nothing to make it go deeper. Tweeks are added to new models to get more sales not for better depth. Re naming tones and playing around calling things different names does little to improve the detector on a worked out site. In other words the new explorer will look pretty much the same as its other little "explorer brothers" and go no deeper. The explorers have hit the limits now with detection depth- frankly they cant make a detector go any deeper. Physics has dictated the ultimate depth and we have to face up to it that 6 to 8 inches is your limit of detection depth on a coin inland. In practice most users wont even get past 6 inches- in many soils 6 inches is your limit. Dont kid me about the 10 -12 inch deep coins you have found either because i dont believe you. The current physical design leaves a lot to be desired too mainly because it just feels bad on the arm it has no "feel good factor" especially after a few hours use. The complete explorer design should be scrapped and something else designed with the esplorer's guts put inside but a different kind of balance setup using a counter weighted sort of set up. Something like the xlt or garrett cx machines. The "extended arm shaft" set up is not suited to the explorer's. full stop. The explorer is a detector you either love or hate too . I love it i like the way it works and the way it will find many good targets that have been missed by others before - super!:) All in all its a great detector very good indeed but its uncomfortable!. Its way over priced for what it is too. So the bottom line is this - SCRAP THE CURRENT DESIGN and start from scratch with an all new physical design but retain the electronics.Now that would be the way to start a new generation of explorers - give it a bigger control box too to house extra more sophisticated circuits. Circuits that find more! Depth is needed urgently sites are mostly close to been cleared out now-:confused: unless you didnt notice!.
 
Sir, I have found coins in the 10 to 12 inch depth. 3 silver 1 reale coins 1797, 1781, and 1772. I dont care if you believe me or not. They were good repeatable signals, didnt blow the headphones off though.
 
if an Explorer 3 comes along it better be truly different and new... no more of this "tweak here and tweak there" crap. It will truly have to be a new design or Minelab will lose alot of credability. I agree with KING OF ACE post!!!
 
Hey stoopstroop.......can't believe the rumors have started again??? All it does is give the "naysayers" and "dis-believers" fodder to spout their venomous, anti :minelab: dribble and discontent.:sleepy:
 
HEY king & all...There IS extra depth available...ANY of minelab GP series will pick up coins much deeper than 6-8 inches...16-18 is more like it...they don't discriminate at all & after you try useing one in an urban setting you'll appreciate the tone, graph, iron, etc. type discrimination features found on all of the newer units...like all of you I'm trying to find the BEST tool available to find coins & jewelry...That's what I'm doing here on this message index...trying to figure out if this new EXP would be worth the money...I have never had the opportunity to try the explorers but from all the posts here from the people who have taken the time to get to know & understand their machine, it seems as though they are entirely happy with their choice & do quite well with them....I'm not a physics type but your comment about reaching the limits I believe is a bit premature...Mankink is still in its infancy as far as technology is concerned...I mean 500 years years ago it was thought that the world was flat & the earth was the center of the universe...500 years is NOT a very long time period... 6-7 lifetimes...think about it...
 
The bugger eating friend of mine that told me this although he is usually creditable, is a DFX user. He feels like his product is better than my EX II and always will. His silly pride for an American made product has lost him many coins as I have found many right in his tracks that he missed. I don't know honestly if the EX is better than the DFX or maybe I am better. He tries to "race" every place we go. Huge ego maniac. I think he needs to slow down and listen to whats his machine is telling him.

Anyway, he said a friend of a friend that is in "the know" told him of a new Explorer. he cant give out any of his sources. YEAH RIGHT. Like I said earlier, he has always been a straight shooter with me but i think his jealousy has got the best of him on this one. The more I talk to him about it the less I believe him. I have my heart set on the new Fisher anyway. Sounds like a helluva new machine.

Sorry to stir all the "haters" up but I myself would like to know if this info can be validated. Funny how the haters come out to bash things at any and every opportunity. Such is life

HH,
Stoops
 
Hi All,

I am guessing also that these rumors are in fact related to the recent (2 days ago) release of the GPX4000 which is in fact a GOLD NUGGET detector without as mentioned a discrimination other than being able to blank over iron and can be impossible for a sane man in a heavy trash situation. It's been about a year and a half since the GP3500 was introduced so we were due. Minelab likes to stay on the cutting edge and I love em' for it.

This is a PI unit designed for nugget shooters and we dig all targets while nugget hunting in most cases so a reliable discrimination is not an issue and with nuggets I'm not sure how it would be possible anyway since conductivity, size, and shape is never the same in two... The discrimination is pretty good though and can be useful in some situations and will ID iron.

There are some using the high powered gold PI on the beaches and for treasure hunting, but I put mine away and use the Explorer SE for coin/relic hunts.

And the poo-pooers will poo-poo no matter what anyone says :rofl:

Good hunting, Bill
 
Mr Ace,

What a load of drivel......

You must be a poor detectorist if you've never gone deeper than 6 - 8"

Can I ask you, [what are you LISTENING out for]

If LOUD signals only then 6 - 8 inches is realistic..
If you listen intently to "whisper" signals and, possibly slow down sweep speed the deeper ones might / will come?

12" is normal IN GROUND with any Explorer my friend!

Marti S (CA)
 
Even if he slows down...his DFX isn't going to tell him what your explorer is telling you!..ha ha. I'm looking forward to the new Fisher too as it states on the web site that it can find coins at 15". I've got a cz70 and an ex2. I just may have to try the f75 as well. I will wait a few months though to see what the reviews say.
Take care
 
Course you have to be in an area that has targets that are 10-12" deep. Air testing is WAY different than a target that has time to resonate over years in the ground.
 
As you know your sites better than anyone else would I am sure you are right when you say there aren't any targets beyond 8" but in your post you said that the Explorer wasn't capable of going 12" on a coin and that you didn't believe anyone who said that it did. Well on the beach there are many targets that are 12" deep and a lot more targets that are much deeper and that are well beyond the range of any detector. Hopefully someday you will get to detect a place that has targets in the 10-12" range and get to see what depths the Explorer is capabable of achieving for yourself.

HH

Beachcomber
 
I probably shouldn't be reporting this, but here is the scoop on the future Minelab. My cousin in Australia (who also detects) regularly plays poker with one of the Minelab engineers. Last Spring the engineer drank a little too much of that good Australian Shiraz, and started talking about the Minelab future detectors he was working on. The one destined to be the new (or replace) the Explorer will work on a totally new concept. The engineer said Minelab has found a way to adapt ground penetrating radar so that it shows a good image of all objects in the soil down to about 18 inches, depending on type of mineral content of the soil. The detector will have a "radar" screen, like a TV screen, that shows a picture of what is under the sensor (coil), in a square about 8" on a side. Coins appear as round discs, or if tilted, an oval disk. Rings, if flat, actually show the hole in the center and you can estimate size of stone set in them. Pull tabs are easy to see by their shape, as are nails and most junk. Before releasing this incredible new machine, there are some hurdles for Minelab to conquer. SInce there is no real need for a tpical discriminating metal detector circuitry, the problemn is how to differentiate round bottle caps from coins, especially if deeper. Deeper objects are a bit fuzzier. There is no good way to estimate depth so far, so a deep quarter looks the same as a shallow dime- they are working on that. Large shallow pieces of metal can totally hide anything underneath them, and that may not be a solveable problem. Minelab hope to be able to increase the detail in the picture so you can actually see features on the coin- and be able to tell a Barber quarter from a Washington quarter before you start digging. Also the machine takes a lot of high-voltage power, 36 volts so far (3 typical Explorer battery packs)- they need to work on that, so it may be some time before the new machine comes out. That would make a really heavy machine. That is probably why they introduced the SE to keep sales up until problems are solved and they can make the Big Day Announcement. Oh yes- clarification- I mentioned it was early Spring when my cousin got this info- that is OUR Spring, Not Australian Spring, which is right now (as I recall the actual date was the first of April).
 
Interesting information.....hope the engineer still has his job. Mr Minelab might not be too happy.....I sympathise as it's really hard to stop at only one glass of shiraz....:buds:

Tony.
 
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