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Not that it really matters but my opinion of the SE...

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christopher-ohio

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OK, I tried the SE at a local dealer and compared it to my Explorer II I had a couple of weeks ago...I hesitated to post this but...what the heck :) Putting both machines in all metal with as comparable settings as possible with a 1050 FBS coil on BOTH-here's what I found: The SE definitely is more sensitive to smaller objects AND to EMI---for coin hunting I definitely give the upper hand to the EX II at old home sites around powerlines hunting for coins since it doesn't pick all the smaller non-coin bits of metal as well and seems more stable. The fast start up is nice on the SE but the screen actually seems smaller-the larger numbers are nice and easier to read. The menu are simplified too as is switching from smart screen to digital. But the biggest thing for me that I realized was that the SE signal sounds choppy and not as smooth as the EX II in normal even in the long or smooth settings. I certainly agree about what I've read from others that the EX II signal is wider and not cut as short as the SE which frankly drove me a little nuts. I really think that on an Explorer faster is not better since you mainly hunt by sound and it's characteristics for each target-now I know why most of the masters of the Explorer arts are still using the XS or even the two...I would also say that airtesting a dime or a penny with the same coil and the same settings really opened my eyes about the difference in the overall width of the coin sound, digital and smartfind ID accuracy, and overall distance from the coil-the EX II really was much better overall. The VCO pinpoint was also very annoying and hard to separate the deeper target from more shallow ones. I'm glad to see that some of you guys are doing so well with the SE but I think minelab did it the best the first and probably the second time around...truly just my humble opinion-take it for what it's worth but there are those that have already stated this clearly over the net in various posts but I still had to find out for myself...HH
 
Chris, I think your post has a great deal of merit, as I too noticed when hunting with friends with I using my SE and them using their "older" EX2's that their tones were allot clearer and yes, wider than mine. And it makes a great deal of sense to me that would be a distinct, incredible advantage now that I have learned my SE. When I first noticed that difference was when I only had my Se about a couple of months and thought well "my SE is a faster response machine and more sensitive, I probably don't have my settings perfectly right". What you said in your post struck a chord though: "wider, cleaner response to coin type signals and less sensitivity to small objects using the older Explorer". I don't honestly agree with your electrical interference capabilities comparison, I would rate the SE the same and in some cases better, I would think that would have more to do with coil choice, but if the SE is more sensitive, then maybe it could be more sensitive to EMI as you say. Sorry, just printing out loud. Deep on the SE doesn't seem to make the deeper signals louder as much as it makes the sound wider so it is more noticeable amongst the louder, shallow signals. If as you say the old Explorers actually give a wider signal on all signals, then it would stand to reason it would be easier for one to pick good tones out from bad tones in dense trash, making you more effective overall while using the older detector of the two. Another advantage is one would be able to use a slightly larger coil in some instances on the older machine than the SE for that same reason. So maybe, rather than having bought a second SE, I should of bought a used Ex2. Maybe, in trash, the old unit might get the best of the SE, just in the easier to hear tones and therefore, better separation? I will say that the SE is really good at very small metal, buttons, incredibly small lead, and earing's, and without an X-1 probe AND also the VCO pinpointing it would be hard to recover those very tiny things in that large pile of soil. Also, I think the SE does get a little more depth than the Ex2 and may have a slight advantage in ID'ing a little deeper because of it's increased sensitivity. But in trash, if your good tones are even the slightest amount elongated, that really would put one in the lead over the other in that respect. I think your post is dead on and extremely observant, thank you for your post. I have been given this topic some thought of late, to sell my second SE and buy a used EX2. After all, what is the purpose of having two exact machines other than checking to see if one is not working properly? Does anyone know if all the coils that work with the SE, do they all work with the EX2? I have all the Sun Rays, coil tecs and Excalliburs.
 
Here's what I think is a super post and is exactly what I found to be the case-I think it's a brilliant post-http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4156


A short synopsis from the post:

"I would venture a theory here, DEEP on the XS is the slowest swing and ID speed Explorer made.
XS on FAST= EXP2 on DEEP.
EXP2 on FAST= SE on DEEP.
SE on FAST= The fastest Explorer made."

This just makes so much sense to me why Charles would post that his nickel count dropped way down when going from the XS to the II :)......HH
 
Wouldn't it be cool to have Charles as your neighbor! I would love to have a buddy local who was as sickly twisted in finding ever tiny nuance out on the Explorers just to get that last drop of performance out of it. It is really neat to see someone else with that kind of passion. Thanks for sharing that post, very interesting.:detecting: So if I am reading right you could basically put the SE in deep and it would be like swinging the Ex2 in fast. I am going to try that, as I only use deep on my SE's for specific situations, I never thought of turning fast off and deep on in trash. I have areas of dense trash that I have really "cleaned well" with small coils, audio long, fast on, and even to large coils for the "wrap around effect". It will be interesting to try a new setting such as this. My last resort is to literally dig out everything out, iron and all. I wonder if Charles did any comparison testing with the gain settings on his SE as it seems to effect everything about mine, from stability to falsing, to speed of recovery, choppy or sloppy ID'ing, almost as nearly as much and in some cases more than my sensitivity settings??? Has anyone seen a post about gain from Charles???
 
Worm hugger?.....Lets pray for the worms!.......Yes I read it all....long winded post from JW......I just want to add, by putting deep off, does effect the curser stability for the better when in an area with external electrical noise and hot rocks...on my XS.....The channel observation was interesting to me...I may have discovered yesterday that there might be a thing called too moist of ground when everything is sounding too good....I had a hard time at the fairgrounds with the excell. 6" coil....I felt I was surrounded by silver coins......not a good first hunt...I wasn't going to leave without a old coin so I hunted till my arm was sore as heck and found a 39 wheat....thank God...I didn't have a tent or food packed......I am an Aries and very stubburn....:devil:
 
Yeah, he says drop the gain before the sensitivity when falsing occurs.....like at beaches....it will be softer falses and when a coin or any object appears it will be noticable and catch your attention...I agree and I do that at the beach also.....also at beach notice where the falses are(curser location) and most likely it will be crown caps.....notch them out and it will be easier...and it is......I took him to a fairground I hunt and he tried his new explorer SE there and with his stock coil with sensitivity up to 26, I think, was hunting in all the trash....I told him most coins where fairly shallow so no need to crank it up....didn't stop him though...he found a border iffy silver signal and called me over to check it with my XS and 8" coil....I was reading mid way up the right hand edge(top of any crown cap level) and bouncing up and down...his was registering higher like silver but a tad lower....I got my larger coil on and it improved it a bit but not like the SE was....so I could be wrong but the SE does give a stronger response to deep signals...it was a thin merc dime...maybe 6-8" deep.....
 
I'll just bet you were hunting in ferrous and not conduct like Bryce and the other guys...frankly, I don't like the 6" Excel coil when in ferrous because of exactly what you posted Mattockman :) I'll still like the 1050 FBS and the smaller 8 inch the best...JMHO
 
Yeah, I tried turning off fast and turning on deep while in the trash, .......bad plan. My SE lost 3/4 of the signals that way. All were iron though, but I imagine they could have just as well been good targets. Mattock man, try turning down your gain and running auto sensitivity when the grounds to wet. That's the only thing that works for me, but your XS may be different.
 
Did you still have any frost?? Frost acts like a big mirror on my SE signals, kills my depth and falses big time. May also be electrical interference, try noise canceling pointing at the source instead of the normal foot off the ground. Clean your coil cover? Otherwise it's all broken and you will have to take Uncle George's refund and spend it on more toys.
 
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