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Setting Realistic Expectations for Ourselves in the Field

Andy Sabisch

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A number of forum members have contacted me since I first posted some of this information on the forum and more recently after I did a column for Lost Treasure Magazine on the same subject.

Treasure hunting has gained in popularity of late due to the ever-increasing prices of gold, silver and other precious metals. Heck, with a silver dime approaching $3.00 in melt value, it
 
I have learned from personal experience that it does'nt pay to question anyone's finds. And the only finds that really matter are the ones that I am looking at in the bottom of the hole I dug. I like to bring a camera along because it's fun to share the experience with the detecting community. And it also adds a little validity to my discoveries. Heck, why would I stage a silver dime or buffalo nickel find? I may as well take out the big guns and dip into my morgan dollar collection...lol.

Anyways, if I were to spend all of my time being envious of everyone elses miraculous finds, I would have to find another hobby. Have fun...that's what it's all about.
 
Andy Sabisch said:
There is likely not one town in the US that has not seen at least a few people come through with detectors over the past 50 years . . . . so finding a virgin public site containing 100
 
n/t
 
What a guy ! Thank You ! And, Thanks for a great book !
 
As a guy who has been questioned before, although almost always behind my back, I appreciate your points. I will say there definitely are such things as skill dedication and luck and each person is going to have different levels in these categories. Luck is a huge one and none of us can control that. I live in an area where most detectorists never find anything over 100 years old, and thus believe its not possible. As a history buff and relic hunter I focus pretty much exclusively on 100 plus year old sites. For that reason I hold off on posting a lot of what I find because I know what some of the local guys will say. However occasionally when I get excited about a find I want to share it with someone. When folks hint their doubt I take it as a compliment that I am finding stuff they consider impossible. But make no mistake they are the result of a lot of hard work and weeks and weeks of only digging shotgun brass and .22 slugs. I guess my take on the whole topic is I find the accusations petty. If you find someones posts unbelievable then either take it as inspiration to hit the field harder or move on if that's not your thing. I have no doubt some people occasionally post illegitimate finds although for the life of me I will never understand why. But if you doubt, be the bigger man and keep it to yourself unless you have actual facts to back it up. In my mind the accusations never reflect well on the accuser whether true or not. Its just a little too old ladies bridge club gossipy for me. I mean who has thetime to worry about that when you could be hunting, researching, or talking with friends. I guess ultimately my point is it just doesn't matter, not even a little bit, and if someone needs to post fake finds to fel better then let them have it. Its obviously more important to them than you, or at least it should be. Sorry to ramble.
 
One more thing I meant to say. I don't think it reflects well on us as detectorists, or the hobby and forums in general when people log on to check it out for the first time and see a lot of accusations and negativity being thrown around. Better to keep it to yourself.
 
Come June 11, 2011, I will have been in this hobby for 43 years, I remember the days of a pouch full of silver and old coins Some days you do good & some days yo do bad. That is what is called TREASURE HUNTING!!!.. Just enjoy yourself...Jesse.
 
Those that do the research of old maps, read some of the old history books from their state and bordering states and know your detector well will have the advantage of those that don't. Some are more dedicated and spend many hours knowing the detector they are using as the old saying a person with a 15 year old detector that knows it well will do better than the guy with a year old high price detector that don't know it well.
I been detecting since 1973 and used many different detectors in that time and found the most silver with a Compass relic mag 7, but it was a virgin spot, but with the Sovereigns I found the most older coins in many though worked out parks and ball fields. I didn't at first, but after knowing the detector well it has not only impressed me, but others that detect in our area.
Now comes the Explorer which is a great detector, but it didn't seem to do as good for me as my Sovereign only because i know the Sovereign well and know if I could learn the Explorer as well and knew it like James ND knows his Explorer XS as he knows every little chirp it makes only because he has spent the time to know what it is saying from hours and hours of experience with it. He wore out one XS, 3 X-1 probes and many coil covers.

I only wish anyone doubting James finds could detect with him to see how well he knows his XS and the luck this guy has. His hunting partner Tim also is very good with his E-Trac as he was with his Sovereign too as he made the Minelab information book back in 1998 with his first years finds with the Sovereign XS he got from me. His and James luck has mostly a lot to do with the research of old maps all winter long plus they pick a area and may drive 300-400 miles one way to detect, but they find all the old parks, ball Field, churches and schools with most of them gone for many years and hit them all, or most of them on the trip they make. Many of the site like I say are long gone and only a dirt field is left so unless you did the research you would never know it was there.

The secret is knowing the detector you are using, know it well from experience with it with many hours of use plus do some research and talk to the old timers as you can get a lot of information from them, but luck also plays a very important part in detecting too.

Good luck to all and hope many silver coins will be in your pouch at the end of the day.

Rick
 
Rick,

I appreciate your perspective to the post on the Explorer sub-forum which by the way was also made on several other brand forums, not just here. It
 
Excellent post! I wanted to throw in my 2 cents worth... Back when the Explorer first came out, I found a lot of targets in "hunted out" sites everywhere. Most of these sites were hunted well with many machines by many people, but they left behind the older and deeper targets that their machine or hunting ability were unable to detect. They also cleaned out a huge portion of the shallower, newer coins. These kinds of sites had a high ratio of old coins to new coins, but you certainly weren't digging them by the pocketful like the "old days"! I spent years taking "road trips" all over the Midwest to sites I had spent many, many hours online researching in advance for the best possible potential. Many of those sites were a bust - there wasn't much left to find. About every third or fourth site I visited did produce well... which is to say around 10-50 old coins. I remember places where every other coin dug was an old one, and some places I could have filled my pockets with hundreds of newer clad coins without a single older one.

I developed a style of kamikaze hunting on weekend road trips where I've always hunted fast and furious to cover as many sites as possible in a weekend, which meant digging only deep promising signals. In this manner I kind of got a sample of what each site had to offer and determined the promising ones to revisit on future trips to hunt them slower and more thoroughly. I rarely spent more than 15-30 minutes at any one site unless, I was finding several good targets. I chose sites that were small in size and in the thick of activity... city parks, church yards and public squares were my favorite target. These places saw very heavy use years ago and were small enough for me to do a fast scan in a short time. These sites are densly packed with targets and require little roaming between signals - almost like a seeded hunt. Large parks, fairgrounds, etc. took too much time to cover a lot of ground looking for the "hot spots", so I stayed away from them.

I found that some of these places, especially in the center of a busy city had seen little detecting activity since the "silver rush" of the 1980's. These sites had a lot of old targets deep and a lot of new targets shallow. there was a zone of around 3-5" deep where there wasn't many coins to be found and it made distinguishing deep targets all the more easier, so you could concentrate on digging a high ratio of older coins while leaving behind the shallow new stuff. This method will miss the odd old coin not deeply buried, but my goal was for a high success rate over the entire weekend of all the sites in the aggregate and not for each individual one.

The point here is that I met with very good success nearly every weekend I went out by adhering to my detecting methods above. I still had the occasional not-so-good weekend, but that will happen. I had my share of detractors and unbelievers when I posted my good weekends, but I didn't let it faze me... I posted what I found to inspire others to get out there and hunt for this stuff while it was still there to find; not for my own glory or ego. I also recorded info on every site I visited and how I did there.... valuable info that I have referred to many times to return to some of the better sites many times to continue finding good targets. I have come across only a few sites in 30 years of hunting that I would deem "virgin" sites. They were usually small churches from the 1950's to 1960's that gave up a couple dozen silver coins - quarters and halves included, but I dug a couple hundred wheaties and clad coins with them as well. An old hunting acquaintance of mine found a small 1910 church in the St. Louis suburbs back in 1993 that was a true virgin site - he dug well over 1,000 coins - 200 of them silver coins, in 3 weeks out of a yard barely 2 acres in size! What really hurt was the fact that I lived less than 2 miles from it! Goes to show that you don't have to travel far and wide to look for a good site, it could be right under your nose! There's got to be "virgin" sites out there, but it would take a large amount of luck and persistance to find one. Even if you did, you would be overwhelmed by all the clad coins and trash targets you'd be digging, or ignoring, to find the old stuff.

I still do the occasional road trip, but I have found that all my sites have been visited by other detectorists and I have to get really wiley and persistant to squeeze out more good targets. Where I used to set lofty goals of 30 silver coins and 30 indian pennies in one weekend back in the "heyday" of my road trips, I now set a goal for 5 of each in a weekend. Sure the finds have dramatically decreased over the years, but my passion for detecting hasn't waned a bit and I think that is what this is all about - not out-hunting someone else, but enjoying your hobby on your own terms and keeping that detecting spirit alive.
Take care and HH, Mike.
 
Id have to add that finding silver in the 70s is much like finding clad now days..... there was just more of it. One of these days when they start making nickel or iron coins we will all be reflecting on those CLAD finds we used to make with the rare occasional silver find. Mike..... looks like your posts inspired others to get out and find some of those spots you hunted and got most of it in fact. Sometimes it just aint worth sharing lol. Ive only been in the Indy area a couple of years and know several of the hunters digging these sites to death. If you get 3 or 4 silver in a 6 hours hunt you jump for joy. I know some of the new hunters get intimidated by big posts some people constantly have. I see it even in our clubs forum... they just rarely post. I saw McDave's post ... and man you can relate to those digs. I would like to see some of the JUNK PILES we dig as well as the nice silver. Personally i like to dig old home sites and fields.... you get junk piles but there is a lot of history to be learned in those whats-its. I dont think there is any of us who dare to post some great finds dont get those raised eyebrows on occasions.... but like McDave said i get more concerned about what i dug than what you think. Like Andy said i really think if you find someone to hunt with on a regular basis who has the same passion you do about the hobby its an absolute blast. But its like looking for a wife... man is it hard to find someone. You have to admit without all these great finds being posted it wouldnt be nearly as fun to come on here. I mean look at the Explorer classroom... id love to see more people reply with their opinions. Thanks for the post Andy its always interesting to see what you have to add to our detector lives.

Dew
 
Those are the true virgin spots that are still available, old homes. Some of em are loaded too. A couple weeks back I found 11 indian heads at one old home site. Now that doesn't happen to often and in fact was my best one time outting for finding indian heads. One yard I hit back in 2003 produced 18 Indian heads (I believe thats the count) after about 4 return visits. Now that yard was loaded, got a 2 center and a seated plus other cool stuff.
Old homes are the way to go if your looking for virgin spots still. Thats my 2 cents worth.
 
Thank you Andy for a great post..Well said on bringing people back to reality .. If I find 100 silver coins in a year I have had a great year.If I find 200 silver coins it is a awesome year and this has not happend in a long time.But what make this hobby fun is hunting and sharing finds with friends.Who cares if you only find 25 silver coins this year, that give you something to look forward to try to beat next year.Have a good one and Good luck to everyone on your next hunt !!!:clapping:
 
Very nice string and post Andy. I read your book several years ago and have passed it on to my brother to read now.

I was one of the lucky ones that did hunt a virgin spot....or should I say a friend led me to it. An old school, still in use, gave up around 100 keeper coins in the hunting we did there over the course of 1 year. THe spot wasn't hidden, I just think no one had the nerve to hunt this openly, public place. I actually had to turn up the threshold tone to hear it over the road noise as there is so much traffic. Nonethesss, I found many silver dimes (one well worn seated), a v nickle, too many wheats to mention and a few quarters at the site.

The comraderie shared by my friend and I was great bonding as we have hunted a lot together since. One of the most amazing memories of that site was when I had a sizable hole dug (using a shovel a bit too large for public property) and a gentleman (who turned out to be a groundskeepes) jumped out of his car and came running full speed directly at me. I looked up casually and he looked around the lawn only to see how clean we had left everything. I don't remember what he said but he was satisfied we were taking care of everything and we were off to races!

Here's to many more good finds and friends!
 
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