Short video on deeper nickel signals with the park pattern

[Bill_S]

This is just a short video to show how deeper nickels react while using the park pattern. You can get a good idea how they react and what to look for if you use this pattern. This was in my back yard so dont mind the mess.....Lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjngJ4jMwsg

 

[Big Boys Hobbies]

n/t

 

[Ray-Mo.]

I think a lot of folks do not realize that with tighter disc the numbers will be more accurate and what you would expect on a given target verses a more wide open pattern on the E-Trac.It is designed to work extremely well with a fair amount of discrimination.If you want to test for yourself just find a nice deep coin in the coins mode and take note of the ID numbers.Then switch to open quick-mask and watch the change in numbers that will often take place especially in more trashy areas.What this means is good targets with varied numbers per open disc will not always be disced out with a more restrictive pattern.

Often times "hearing it all" is very counter productive in trash laden sites as it numbs the senses and causes one to ignore a lot of signals almost subconsciously ,especially the lower tones.

The above statements are directed at turf hunting for coins by the way.......

 

[filo]

Nice video. In the soil here, I have never seen a nickel go above 12 on the ferrous and if so, only a hair higher and not repeatably. Most nickels I dig show up right in the range yours is showing, 10-12, 12-12, 08-12 and with a repeatable tone. There are some that are deeper of course but this shows that the trashy park pattern can still pick up many of those deep nickel signals.

 

[Bell-Two]

Interesting video, did you try with a rusty nail maybe an inch to the side of the nickel to see how it would perform? That would be an interesting test. If the area in which you placed the nickel is clean I would not be suprised to see it pick it up at 6" to 7" but if there is some iron or bottle top relatively close to it what would it do? By definition that is very likely the scenario you will find in a trashy park.

 

[Southwind]

Nice video.

I think the issue is that type of signal in a trashy park environment would most likely be missed. Your swing pattern was small and just targeted a known good target location. Had you been swinging at a normal pace in a moderately trashy area your chances of hitting on the target would have been reduced greatly. The E-Trac can be very accurate on target ID'ing once you isolate the target from surrounding targets.

 

[Bill_S]

I think the issue is that type of signal in a trashy park environment would most likely be missed. Your swing pattern was small and just targeted a known good target location. Had you been swinging at a normal pace in a moderately trashy area your chances of hitting on the target would have been reduced greatly.

We could come up with many different scenarios where it may or may not have been detected. That can happen with any target at any location. The intent of the video was really just to show people what type of signal they may get on a deeper nickel signal using this patten.

 

[Southwind]

Yes and I'm in no way saying your video has no value. I'm just saying that using a standard full swing, not just a small swing isolated to only the nickle, chances increase immensely that you would never see that nickle. Throw in a little bit of trash and that nickle becomes invisible.

 

[Bell-Two]

Yes and I'm in no way saying your video has no value. I'm just saying that using a standard full swing, not just a small swing isolated to only the nickle, chances increase immensely that you would never see that nickle. Throw in a little bit of trash and that nickle becomes invisible.

I concur with Southwind that with the nickels section so tight there would be a good chance of it being missed, that is the reason I used a similar pattern but with the nickel slot opened wider. I have only used this pattern extensively in one spot which has such drastic conditions that it required a drastic solution. Any pattern you are comfortable with is a succesful pattern but in general and this is just my feelings, such a constricted pattern is not for my general use.

 

[Ray-Mo.]

I have always hunted with coins mode or less disc. but am starting to wonder a bit.The area Bill and I hunted last Friday was extremely trashy and he pulled a ton of goodies including a lot of nickels.I was in coins mode and usually dig several nickels if they are present.However I only dug one because the lower tone signals were overwhelming,like 2 or more per swing of the coil.In that type of trash the tight pattern was far better than a more open one.
We were both swinging fairly fast also as it was a rather large area and we were wanting to cover as much as we could in the time we had to hunt.Seemed like every time I turned around Bill had another nickel

 

[Bell-Two]

That is the reason I used the pattern I posted, if it is super trashy and need to go FAST for some reason then I understand using it. Here are the circumstances that made us decide to use it:

I have used my version of this program just at a few places. A park in my hometown was a large low income housing development with dozens of apartment buildings, before that it was part of an Army Air Force base and before that it was an 1800 era gathering site. It was torn down about 8 years ago and so many bits of trash, aluminum bits, and cast iron and plumbing parts and incredible number of screw tops are still buried there. But it did turn up an amazing amount of silver for us this summer by us I mean about 7 or 8 guys from my club. This is the site that much silver was found, many of it only an inch or two deep. I think that is because it was graded all level afterwards. But the only way you can hunt it is with such a severe discrimination. Otherwise you will go crazy listening to all the signals and try to figure out what they are. Now I would not use this at any other type of site other than this one. I posted this version; actually my hunting partner suggested it originally, because we have been using it over a year. I thought if someone was going to try something as severe as this at least opening up the nickel region would be necessary. There are so many signals that in one sweep you would generally get a couple signals to investigate. The diversity of coins there was amazing, we found many Canadian coins, I know of some mid 1800's Austrian silver coins that were found a Large Cent also. One day my hunting partner in one hunt got 65 copper memorials....they always rang at 12-45 and since silver was so shallow there you felt the urge to dig that number. It is just the freakiest place you would ever want to hunt. I found three early wheaties grouped together on top of the ground. My wife found an AU Mercury Dime on top of the ground and you would dig a copper memorial at 6 inches. Knowing we would be missing things nevertheless we used it to quickly shoot the "Silver Fish" in a barrel. The need for speed was great, this 20+ acre site is due for a complete renovation with many new buildings being built this coming year so it will soon not be a viable hunting spot. So a desperate site required desperate measures lol!

 

[niterider_58]

I to like the pattern but set like you had it in the video it would not pick up any v-nickles had to open it up some.

 

[filo]

I pulled another 3 buffaloes from the super trashy park today. That brings me to 5 buffalo, 1 war, and 16 jefferson in 2 days worth of hunting with this pattern. This park has the possibility for V nickels but they are rare and I haven't dug any with the tight pattern. I'm very impressed by it's ability to pick up those buffaloes though. Really a great pattern for picking up those mid-depth nickel signals in a well hunted area.

 

[Djay-Mo]

Bill thats a very good and informative video,watching your other videos of the full digs makes hard to watch videos that aren't.
I got to tell you watching you dig in that rich black dirt makes me so jealous.If I bury a nickle in my yard at 7 inchs it would be months before I could a hit on it and then only in manual as my auto+3 is hardly ever over 17 or 18.
Too much clay and minerals mixed in alot of the time.
I have seen my Etrac run as low as 4 in auto +3 and move only 30 yards and watch it climb to 20 or 21 with no EMI around.
I really like your park pattern.
Keep the videos coming.

 

[Bill_S]

[size=medium]There are some areas around here where the detector will go as high 31 in auto.........;o)[/size]

 

[TheMarshall]

I have always hunted with coins mode or less disc. but am starting to wonder a bit.The area Bill and I hunted last Friday was extremely trashy and he pulled a ton of goodies including a lot of nickels.I was in coins mode and usually dig several nickels if they are present.However I only dug one because the lower tone signals were overwhelming,like 2 or more per swing of the coil.In that type of trash the tight pattern was far better than a more open one.
We were both swinging fairly fast also as it was a rather large area and we were wanting to cover as much as we could in the time we had to hunt.Seemed like every time I turned around Bill had another nickel

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I think that you do not fully appreciate how the E-Trac works regarding what VDIs it displays.


i.e. The E-Trac will only show VDIs that are dictated by the ACCEPTable regions of the DISC PATTERN.

Alas, that imposes a constraint on the more important factor of audio 'quality/continuity' communicated to the operator.

Audio signal can therefore become more 'iffy'.



This point of view is echoed by other experienced detectors who have posted SINCE you saw fit to DELETE MY EARLIER POST.

It's a sad day for Findmall when it cannot cope with reality...facts..or critical comment....TheMarshall