Sweeping to slow in 2 tone ferrous may be counter productive:confused:

[Ray-Mo.]

I had noticed this before on deep targets.I have a silver dime buried at 9" and noticed I only get a good high tone with a medium to fast sweep speed.I get a weak high tone followed by a low iron tone when sweeping slowly and it is not what I would call a good hit by any means.How many of you all have tested 2 tone ferrous on deep silver and what were your results,Thanks Ray.
PS I was running with just the top line disc-ed out except for the right 1/5 maybe, for big silver

 

[LabradorBob]

I have wondered about that Ray, I have not tested it yet
But have wondered about two tone because if you are in anything besides multi tone,
Limits are not available.
This is from the manual.
Limit allows you to adjust the maximum audio pitch of all tones emitted for Tone ID Sounds; Ferrous and Conduct. Limits is
only available if the Number of Tones is set to Multi.

I may be totally wrong,as i have not tried two tones against multi tones in ferrous.
and will give me something to experiment on tomorrow!
This will be a good experiment,learning is good for everyone.

LabradorBob

 

[Gaz]

I naturally sweep at an increased pace also Ray. Not super fast but again, I don't hang about!!
After nearly two years with my ETrac, I can easily pick out and determine a 'blip' from the ground or a weak target. I don't know how I do it, it just comes to you I guess.
Even when I isolate a potential target, I narrow my sweep and carry out a fast VERY narrow 'wiggle' directly over it. This also helps me pinpoint it without engaging the pinpoint button.

GAz.

 

[utahshovelhead]

Hey Ray,
In two tone Ferous I willI slowly swing along my pattern ( as there will be lots of junk if I am using the two tone) if I get the high pitch just a little then i go over it faster and tighter like a hornet ready to sting. If it is right by iron I may slow down...or I may have to speed up the swing especially if it only hits in one direction. I keep trying to get a better target response on the sound and the cursor. My experience is that deep coins even in two tone need the dance and wiggle to bring in a positive dig signal. I find that too slow diminishes the target like you are saying. But the machine is so easy to change the settings and check in different ways so I spend some time analyzing especially in the hard to dig ground. The two tone in junky ground works well to get my attention but being sure to dig it is where I spend time. If easy digging would dig everything (shovelhead) but hot sun and dry dirt wears me down.

good luck
utahshovelhead

 

[gregliss]

Nice post, you've got me thinking!

I noticed in Multi conductive that when I get the really deep coins, right on the edge of detection range, the cursor starts heading towards Iron. I've dug many very deep silver coins that gave consistant FE right down to FE 24-26, this would be well into the low tone in Ferrous 2-tone and you'd keep walking. In fact, any FE lower than 17 is going to give you low tone and based on my experience, your going to miss a lot of deep stuff.

I haven't tested this yet, but I'd suggest trying Ferrous 4-tone when looking for deepies and only dig the top 3 tones, this will allow for that "FE shift" on deep coins. This would mean you are happy with FE30 and less, which is about where most people have their iron mask in conductive and includes FE numbers commonly seen on the very deep coins (FE28'ish or less).

Till now I've only been using 2-tone ferrous in iron patches with not so deep coins for the above reason, but I might give 4-tone a go on the deepies for a while as the theory sounds good.

Cheers all

 

[utahshovelhead]

I might add one more thing. I personally am finding that I like the two tone ONLY in my haunts with lots of iron. Otherwise I get lots more deepies comming out with my multitone program that I am accustomed to. I makes sense for me to stick to the stuff I know best when I can and not switch up too much other than small amounts of tweaking.

anyway good luck
utahshovelhead

 

[onemore]

I agree - I listen for the slightest peeps using a slow swing. Then using FAST=ON, zero in on the signal to see if I can pick something real out of the iron with different sweep speeds.


Gregliss, that 17-line disturbs me too for the exact same reason! I also want to try 4-tone to see if it works better.

 

[Ray-Mo.]

works very well unless you are in a lot of more modern trash and then the old pin ball machine analogy will apply.