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T2 LTD question....
- Thread starter jbow
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The subject of "DEPTH" can really get interesting.Jay Evans said:
There are times when I want or need a little above-average depth of detection, as long as the targets are of adequate size/shape and when I'm working a site where conditions allow that they might be deep and/or there's some above-ground stubble or weeds, etc. But there is a limit as to just how much 'depth' a detector might achieve and too often some people mis-judge or bad-guess the depth advantage.You must work some decent ghost towns. I have hit a few myself, but they are in the minority. Most of the ghost town site I hunt are void of any old structures as they were moved, or worse yet they just decayed or were razed. The surface iron clutter, especially iron nails and rusty tin cause ample masking and counter any opportunity to really get any 'depth.' Most of them I hunt in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, or even Idaho and Oregon, were either old Railroad towns or Mining and Lumbering towns. If they have been mostly undisturbed, most targets, desired or not, are relatively shallow. I mean either eyeball surface to maybe 3"-4". Only on occasions can you find them in the +4" range to perhaps 6", but those times are when the trash content is minimal.Jay Evans said:
Even when there could have been ground changes, such as a lot of brush growth, a buildup of fallen leaves, earth movement due to logging or mining or even when bottle digging was at its peak, you are still dealing with the annoying trash and if you don't remove it, you're not going to get any depth, even if the coins are only 4'-6" deep. Oh, it's good to be able to get a little extra depth when desired and practical, but more often than not my better success has some from going with a smaller coil, such as the 5" DD or something similar from other brands in the 5"-7" range, then using the lowest Discrimination I can tolerate and the most gain possible.
How populated or target-sparse are your ghost towns? What type and general location were they that 'depth' would be of interest and attainable? Just curious.
Monte
I am thinking that for sure. In fact I am thinking about dumping a few. I can see keeping the E-TRAC because it is so very good at easily finding masked targets at "hunted out" sites, keep the GT for the beach, either keep the T2 or try a T2 LTD (one or the other) once I get this repair thing sorted out and get it updated to 6.5, keep the Omega-8000, and get a G2. The O8K/G2 combo will probably make the Tejon obsolete for my use, the T2 will perfectly compliment them but I like the BP for certain places with English Ivy all over the ground or stubble and I like it because you don't have to swing it so fast to get optimum performance like the original T2/F75. I am excited about the G2... and am wondering about the two microprocessors. Do you know if the GBSE has two?
So in other words I can see myself happy with the O8K, and G2 as my "go to" machines and the T2 (maybe LTD), ET, and GT for special use. I need to simplify...
Thanks for the help.
J
So in other words I can see myself happy with the O8K, and G2 as my "go to" machines and the T2 (maybe LTD), ET, and GT for special use. I need to simplify...
Thanks for the help.
J
Monte said:
The Ghost town I'm referring to in my area (East Texas) was populated during the 1840's - early 1900's the main attraction there was an old boarding school for women. They had the average town store, blacksmith shop, a Dr and post office. The main area I'll be hunting is where the stagecoach route came into town and the areas on either side just outside where the main town was. Before the railroad came into town this road was heavily traveled when the Texas revolution was gaining steam and folks were traveling from Louisiana through this area to join in the cause. A good friend of mine owns most all of this property where the town once stood, and a good portion of the stagecoach road where it came into town as well.(This land has been dedicated pasture land for raising Cattle for decades since the towns dying out) The homes just outside town were sparse and spread out along the countryside. Iron is there but not in heavy abundance (outside of town anyway). the old coins I've found there so far have been in the 5-7 inch range but I'm interested in trying to locate a cache around some of the old home sites that were outside of town. Now that I have the T2 on the way I'm hoping it will bring new life to some of these previously hunted sites.
Jay
Around here most places I hunt everything is fairly shallow. There is one series of empty lots where I have found Indians down 8 or 9 inches and silver at another part of the lot at 3" but most places 5 to 6 inches is max and really 3" is common for CW relics and on a hillside i've eyeballed eagle buttons on top of the ground. I recently found a roundball sticking halfway out of the ground at an ampty lot in a neighborhood in Kennesaw, i'm sure the ground had been turned when they put the place in. At some parks i've found silver and eagle kepi buttons at 3" and pulltabs at 6" so I usually don't pay any attention to the depth guage unless I am in the woods and even then you can't know what was done to the land 75 years ago... and who knows what awesome coin or relic came to rest 2" under the surface on a flat rock.
I'm glad that people don't dig those shallow signals. I've told this before but it bears telling again, i'll be short... There was a place just north of Kennesaw Mountain where they were building a church. I was late to the party. The local club had hunted the site far about a month. I heard that there were sometimes near 50 hunters there at one time, many hunters kept hitting it. By the time I heard of it I pretty much had it to myself, me and the guy who told me about it. Most hunting was sone in one corner on the upper end of the site. There was still plenty of RR iron from where the Army of Tennessee had built works using material from the RR that ran closeby.
So, right in the middle of that hard hunted section I got a big signal with a high TID. It was about 2" deep. I am sure a LOT of people detected it and moved on, dismissing because of the size, shallow depth, and the high TID... not me, I dug it... a really nice (almost perfect) zinc time fuse adapter from a 20# Parrot gun.
I was in sales for about two years in the late 80s and one thing I learned in sales is to NEVER qualify your leads because the ones you are sure will be no good will be good customers and the ones you are sure will be an easy sale will blow you off. That same thing happens when someone decides that a signal is too shallow and/or big to be a good target or that a coin too shallow to be any good... most of the time they may be right but since most places have been hunted so much that they no longer hold easy good targets it pays to dig those signals that others leave because they know they aren't worth digging.... most aren't but those that are may be really special... besides after you dig tha trash out there may be a double eagle coin signal that was masked.
I guess it depends on the site though... I certainly wouldn't go digging all the trash in a modern park but a ghost town or an old farmhouse... yeah, I might be digging more trash and especially a productive relic site that has been "hunted out".
Is there really a lot of modern coin at a ghost town so that a hunter wouldn't want to dig shallow signals or did I misread you when you said something about FBS hunters passing on shallow targets? Did I misunderstand?
J
I'm glad that people don't dig those shallow signals. I've told this before but it bears telling again, i'll be short... There was a place just north of Kennesaw Mountain where they were building a church. I was late to the party. The local club had hunted the site far about a month. I heard that there were sometimes near 50 hunters there at one time, many hunters kept hitting it. By the time I heard of it I pretty much had it to myself, me and the guy who told me about it. Most hunting was sone in one corner on the upper end of the site. There was still plenty of RR iron from where the Army of Tennessee had built works using material from the RR that ran closeby.
So, right in the middle of that hard hunted section I got a big signal with a high TID. It was about 2" deep. I am sure a LOT of people detected it and moved on, dismissing because of the size, shallow depth, and the high TID... not me, I dug it... a really nice (almost perfect) zinc time fuse adapter from a 20# Parrot gun.
I was in sales for about two years in the late 80s and one thing I learned in sales is to NEVER qualify your leads because the ones you are sure will be no good will be good customers and the ones you are sure will be an easy sale will blow you off. That same thing happens when someone decides that a signal is too shallow and/or big to be a good target or that a coin too shallow to be any good... most of the time they may be right but since most places have been hunted so much that they no longer hold easy good targets it pays to dig those signals that others leave because they know they aren't worth digging.... most aren't but those that are may be really special... besides after you dig tha trash out there may be a double eagle coin signal that was masked.
I guess it depends on the site though... I certainly wouldn't go digging all the trash in a modern park but a ghost town or an old farmhouse... yeah, I might be digging more trash and especially a productive relic site that has been "hunted out".
Is there really a lot of modern coin at a ghost town so that a hunter wouldn't want to dig shallow signals or did I misread you when you said something about FBS hunters passing on shallow targets? Did I misunderstand?
J
Most of the coins found outside of where the town was have been from the 1830's - 1980's , and weren't very deep 5-7", but just outside of town where some of the older home sites were, I'm hoping to be able to seek a little deeper around some old rock walls that are still standing and maybe happen up on a cache of coins. I know we all have these scenarios run through our heads while detecting but that's only part of the hunt..... Sure I'd be happy with coins in the 5-7", range but I've always got my hopes for a cache hidden somewhere like everyone does. This area I'm hunting has been in my friends family since the 1920's & hasn't been hunted by anyone but myself & a good friend that passed away this year. He did find a very nice seated Dime the last time we hunted out there though. I know the potential is there for the cache situation. Like you I like to dig all good signals when hunting an old home site or Ghost town.....I'm just anxious to try out this new detector when it arrives.
Jay
Sure I'd be happy with coins in the 5-7", range but I've always got my hopes for a cache hidden somewhere like everyone does. This area I'm hunting has been in my friends family since the 1920's & hasn't been hunted by anyone but myself & a good friend that passed away this year. He did find a very nice seated Dime the last time we hunted out there though. I know the potential is there for the cache situation. Like you I like to dig all good signals when hunting an old home site or Ghost town.....I'm just anxious to try out this new detector when it arrives. Jay
The Tejon, Silver Umax, & the x2 & once with an XLT e series but only had the use of the XLT for a day's hunt. My best finds from there were with the Tejon. several silver coins (Standing liberty quarters & some rosie,merc & Seated dimes) and a couple of IH cents found alot of old interesting Iron/ brass and copper stuff too. Old Mason jars in the ground around most all the home sites i've found so far. I know there's more there, just gotta get back out there and check it out again.
Do you look at a site for things that wouldn't change over time that someone used as a way to be able to come back and find the cache? Big rocks? A rock pile? A hole or something in a rockface? A smaller boulder near a large one? Stop and spend time looking and thinking at things and think about how it may have been different 100+ yrs ago... pictures? Buildings, places that would have been under floor boards. I wonder what you would find if you panned the soil under what used to be the saloon or the assayers office, or the payroll office... or the jail? Where would you have hidden a cache? I bet it would be awesome to find and dig old outhouses in mining towns too.
Easy for me to sayasI head to the park huh?
J
Easy for me to sayasI head to the park huh?
J
The area I've been talking about has no structures left except for the outer brick walls of the old womens boarding school. The only ways to find the old home sites are from old fire place chimmneys or looking for annual flower bulbs that might have been planted outside the home front. old rock walls that used to mark land boundaries and such as that. after I find these types of things, I try to stand back and picture how the home must have been situated on the land. I love the hunt for old structures like this, out in the country.
Jay
Jay
Other than startup in AM, I don't know. Some say it is more stable and has better depth, some say no real difference but differences could easily be just different machines, however I think there is more to it than just starting up in AM mode. I think you hold the button and hold the trigger forward when you power up to display the version. Maybe just hold the trigger forward while powering up... try them both and see.
J
J
Tejon is a cool detector... it finds things and I can't figure out why. It seems sometimes to lose good audio after several swings over a piece of junk but will keep a good audio over a good target, or a pulltab or can slaw or a bottlecap... but still, it makes good finds. It may be because I dig more when I use it.
J
J
Flowerbeds are good. That is where mom buried a jar of coins. Chimneys are good for finding a cache too but they have probably been hunted. The out house wouldn't have been too far out back. I think most gold caches hidden by miners would be close to the entrance of a mine where they could stash under some rocks or in a wall when they came up for a break, somewhere they could hide a nugget now and then before being searched when they left for the day... especially at a larger mine.
You have to think what you would do if you were a crook or if you were an honest shopkeeper of farmer trying to hide some gold or silver coins. A lot of women hid a cache in the garden.
Think outside the box and imagine you were them, no one would go too far for fear of being followed. A cache would likely be hidden somewhere within the normal routine.... Good luck!
J
You have to think what you would do if you were a crook or if you were an honest shopkeeper of farmer trying to hide some gold or silver coins. A lot of women hid a cache in the garden.
Think outside the box and imagine you were them, no one would go too far for fear of being followed. A cache would likely be hidden somewhere within the normal routine.... Good luck!
J
Yep, at the older sites where recovery is easier and less 'disturbing' (emotionally), I will recover more of the targets, good or bad.jbow said:
Naturally, a lot will depend on the particular old town site and the type and abundance of trash, as well as how closely-spaced it is.jbow said:
At my all-time favorite ghost town that I first started detecting in May or 1969, and do to this date, YES, there were a lot of coins. NO, they were not modern coins. I am talking about period coins and before as this town as kicked out US dates from my 1836 Capped Bust Half-Dime (my ONLY Capped Bust coin)up to a Mercury 10