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Tejon vs Fisher F75 & You Tube Video - Tejon is Destroyed :detecting:

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Bryannagirl

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Ok been thinking real hard about either a Tejon or Vaquero as my next Detector purchase. I live in Colorado were Hot Rocks and Minerlized ground are the norm. Heard lots of great things about both machines then I saw this Video. I have to say it made think twice. Can anyone that knows the Tejon explain is poor peformance in these Video. Makes it look like an Explorer vs a Bounty Hunter. My guess is the person using the Tejon does not know how to set it up correctly but does know how to set up the F75 but sure does not look like he was doing anything wrong from what I could tell. Take a look and let me know.:sadwalk:

Part 1 Tejon vs Fisher F75 Youtube Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJLXeWnBiM

Part 2 Tejon vs Fisher F75 Youtube Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJniGwrfAn8

Bryanna
 
In the Tejons defense it is only a sound machine and headphones are necessary to get the most from the Tejon.

Perhaps the Tejons box and coil are a bit out of tune.

Maybe it was mineralized ground and a widescan would have been better than the concentric.

My tejon has lost some depth in the last 3 dependable years of service but I can still air test similar sized lead at 11.5 to 12"

The Tejon is less money.

The Tejon has a lifetime warranty.
 
Even the compadre would have hit those bullets hard.

I question the ground balance, because I didn't hear the threshold set at a constant hum. Correct me if I'm wrong... I watched on an iPod and couldn't turn it loud.

Seriously, I know the Tejon and Vaquero will scream
on bullets.

Here's the GB directions straight from Tesoro:
Turn the detector on by rolling the SENSITIVITY knob clockwise to about 9 or 10 on the dial. You will hear the battery test to let you know the detector is operating. Next, adjust the THRESHOLD knob until a slight, steady hum is heard. The machine is now ready to be ground balanced. Next, find an area that has no metal targets in the ground, as this may give false readings while in the ground balancing procedure.
As shown in the photos, raise your searchcoil about 6 to 8 inches off the ground. This is high enough so that the detector will no longer read the minerals in the ground. While listening to the threshold sound, lower the searchcoil to about 1 inch off the ground. As the coil is dropped. This is the balanced response. When you get a balanced response, the detector is telling you that it is ready to hunt.
The positive and negative responses are easy to adjust. If you get a positive response, turn the GROUND ADJUST knob toward the minus sign on the face or in a counterclockwise direction. Getting a negative response means turning the GROUND ADJUST knob toward the plus sign on the faceplate or in a clockwise direction.
Here is an example of balancing: After setting up the detector, you raise the coil and then push it to the ground. As the coil drops, the threshold hum gets louder. You then turn the GROUND ADJUST knob counterclockwise toward the minus sign. You pick up the coil and push down again. This time you get a slightly negative response. Turn the GROUND ADJUST knob a little bit toward the positive or in a clockwise direction. When raising and lowering the coil, the threshold makes no change as the coil is dropped. At this point, the detector is balanced for the area and is ready to hunt.
Ground balancing is a learned skill, one that you should practice often. It is easy to practice almost anywhere
 
Excellent point on the ground balancing.

GB is a must for maximum performance.

The video shows a poor example of ground balancing.

The video seems a bit biased.

Videos can be deceptive in regards to depth perception. I question the height of the coil over the ground as well.
 
I agree, as I to think the Tejon was set up wrong. Bullets hit hard and I have gotten them at the depth he was showing with no problem. When you pause the video at his set up, he has a different set up then I would use not to mention the GB issue as stated earlier. :beers:
 
He appears to have the Tejon set to very positive on the ground balance for both the discriminate and all-metal demonstrations. At one point he says that's as close as it gets for the ground balance; but he appears to leave it very positive of a neutral setting.

I've got both a Tejon and a F75 LTD and am keeping both. After cleaning my yard with the Tejon, pulling up some silver coins, silver rings, and wheat pennies, and some lead and casings from .22 to 9 mm size, I did not find anything new with the LTD. That said, in school yards, I find a lot of coins on edge with the LTD that I just haven't seemed to turn up with any of the other detectors I've used.

The F75 will ground balance over a wider range to include the wet salt sand that is difficult to hunt at best with the Tejon. The Tejon has a cleansweep coil available and there is no similar option for the F75.

Tejon runs quiet in areas that I need to tune the F75 way back in order to handle some EMI; although even tuned way back the F75 still detects very well.

I've pulled more small gold jewelry up with the Tejon than any other detector I've owned; but a lot of foil gets dug too.

As already noted, there is a large price difference between the two detectors and warranty periods are significantly different at 2 years for the F75 vs. life time for the Tejon.

Kind of have to figure out what your own trade offs are on price, features, coil availability and types of hunting you are going to do.

Cheers.
tvr
 
Good post. Reads like an unbiased evaluation.

What coil do you use on your tejon? I get coins on edge with the 5.75 widescan, some folks do well with the concentric.

The F75 does have an edge in the salt/mineralized ground. But as you noted there are pros and cons with any machine, and price is often a factor.

Interesting that the video poster has moved on to a White's. Should just learn his tejon better, IMO.
 
Thanks, great posts,

Since I have a white,s eagle spectrum I am not used to maul ground balance so it was hard for me to tell if it was right or not. I also think threshold may have been an issue as someone mentioned. I know the F75 has a great reputation but so does the Tejon so it seemed odd that the Tejon performed so poorly.

As a side question, I wonder if manual ground balance will be an issue here in Colorado. I notice that my eagle spectrum is adjusting balance all the time even in a park let alone a ghost town. Any thoughts on this issue?

Bryanna
 
Based on what you're saying I would change my earlier answer to you need an X-terra 70 from a reputable dealer. The problem I'm finding with the F-75s and the newer X-terras is that you might have to go through a few machines or coils to get acceptable results. The F75 he's using is such an overdriven machine it will frequently respond poorly in a lot of populated areas, where there's alot of Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). The F75 is undoubtedly a great machine out in the woods, far from houses. The X-terra 70 I have is real good in bad dirt, has good depth and makes an excellent coinshooter and doesn't suffer from EMI. I hate to provide this advice on a Tesoro forum since I love the Tejon I have. It just sounds like you're more of a coinshooter and the Tejon is really a relic machine. It can be used to dig coins, but you will dig a lot of trash too. I cringed when I saw that video, because the guy was so biased an unscientific (no measurement tool to back up his assertions and what he called a weak signal for the Tejon was still a signal). The guy really exaggerated on the claims of what depth it will get a bullet at too. It was just an an amateur smear and really unnecessary.
 
n/t
 
I don't own a Tejon but I have read and studied just about everything about it.After watching the videos I noticed in the Part-2 video that the alt disc was set on max while he was scanning and you could not see if his finger was pushed forward which would be in the alt disc mode.Will the Tejon hit a mini at that setting with the depth he claimed.I also agree with all about the ground balance setting.It was not set right in either video.
Ron
 
fenian13 said:
What coil do you use on your tejon? I get coins on edge with the 5.75 widescan, some folks do well with the concentric.
Click to expand...

I use the standard coil, the 3.6 x 18 cleansweep and the 5.75 concentric on the Tejon; depends on where I'm hunting.
 
I run a Vaquero here in Summit County. It is always smooth, reliable and deep no matter what kind of ground I run into. I use the 10" elip coil 90% of the time and when I hit a trashy area I throw on the 5.75 conc. The best thing about the V in the mountains is that I can break it down, throw it in my backpack and look for new place to hunt plus its super light. I've never used a Tejon here so I can't compare but I bet it would be killer with the 10" elip coil. I'm intrigued by the Tejon and sometimes I would like the V with a dual disc option
 
Oh and the manual GB is no issue. I like to be in control of the GB. Its easy to tell when it is a bit off and literally takes 30sec to adjust. Does anybody remember the hot rock trick on the V? If I remember right you can GB to the hotrock until it nulls?
 
The problem here is you don't know Dan and the location he is hunting in the video.
Dan lives in an area with extremely mineralized soils rich with Civil War history.
Unfortunately, most detectors do not fair well in his soil. In this case the
Tejon will not get any depth. I had the same problem living in Georgia, most detectors
at the time handled the ground very poorly.....that's why knowledgeable dealers do not sell
Garretts there. My first Cibola, I sold within 5 days, at the time, all this hype came out how
it could compete with the Tejon. I couldn't find anything with my Cibola past 3". The ground was
too hot. Took it to a different location and it picked up a few inches. I also, had a Tejon while living in
Georgia, actually two of them at different times. Performance was also not impressive, I can
also say that of the Troy X5........

Back to the video, the Tejon would have had better results if the soil it was
tested in had milder ground conditions. The Tejon really excels in mild conditions as do the other Tesoros.!!
Yes, Dan gave up on his F75 as he is looking for the machine that will punch thru the ground were he lives.
There is no shame in that, you may look back in the future and think about the 20 different detectors you once owned.
There are still tons of CW to be found where Dan lives. The V3, is supposed to be a better unit, then the F75.
Dan wants to find those other relics, the V3 may be the ticket.
He may once again he may regret selling the F75, time will tell. Please remember Relic Hunters have deep pockets
and will spend the $$ to find the ultimate machine. Consider finding a certain buckle worth $2000.00, certain bullets,
buttons each worth hundreds of dollars......


]I have noticed with the newer, hyped up detectors made, performance is really there--Beating out the Tesoros.
There are 3 main drawbacks comparing them to the Tejon.
1) Higher Price, Tejon is much cheaper
2) They suffer from EMI, making them useless in many hunting situations
3) They have had some programing issues


I would not base my decision to buy a Tejon on that video. It comes down to where you live and the soil
conditions you hunt in.

By the way,
Dan has been around awhile and has been a long time poster on Findmall.
 
]I have noticed with the newer, hyped up detectors made, performance is really there--Beating out the Tesoros.
There are 3 main drawbacks comparing them to the Tejon.
1) Higher Price, Tejon is much cheaper
2) They suffer from EMI, making them useless in many hunting situations)

Ok those are some interesting points. So if I understand you correctly the Tesoro are not good in highly mineralized soil but the F75 is good. Do you think it has to do with the ability to track vs manual adjustment or isn't something else about the F75 that makes it better. Tesoro makes the Lobo that does have tracking I have read it is very popular in Alaska along with the Whites GMT. They both are supposed to have very good ground tracking.

Intersting your comment about the Garretts. I have heard the same thing here in Colorado that there GB system does not handle Colorado soil that well.
 
Thanks for the scoop Sven.

I've heard the Tejon can be too hot, but I never imagined it could be that bad even with ground balance adjusted.
 
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