Test Garden Help

[unearth]

Hello All. I live in Southern California and today I put together a test garden. I put a copper penny at 4", a nickel at 6", a clad dime at 8", and a clad quarter at 10". I tried several different settings on my Deus with the standard coil and the HF coil. Fast, GM, Hot, Deep, Sifter and Ultimate. I tried changing Reactivity, Silencer, Sensitivity, and GB. I had iron volume at 0. Audio response at 4. GB, usually, at either 90 or 86. The mineralization bar was at 4, sometimes 5 and sometimes at 2. I tried different tone settings also. I tried changing all these different attributes and while sweeping the coil, scraping the grass, the only GOOD response came from the 4" deep copper penny. I couldn't hear the nickel, dime or quarter.
Now I've seen Calabash's videos, and others, where they are hitting targets at 8, 9 or 10 inches. But it seems the settings I tried are WAY OFF if I going to hear deeper targets. So, any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Where did you purchase your Deus?
I used to live in California and the dirt out there is waaaaay different than here in Michigan. You have areas where you
almost need a jackhammer to get through the soil in some areas of California. Where in California are you? I used to live in Santa Clarita/Canyon Country area about 50 miles north of Los Angeles.

Don't use Fast for depth. The higher you go on your Reactivity (faster) the less depth you get. Fast is great for shallow heavy trash.
Most of the programs that come with the Deus are for Europe and not the United States.

I would play around with the TX Power, go no less than 6 on disc. 5 tones or less, Play with your sens setting. 8 and 11 kHz Frequency is best for coins (Don't offset the frequency in Expert mode). Reactivity around 1. Silencer 0. Play with Audio Response. You can go as high as 7.

This morning I went out to my test garden. I have a measured 9" deep, flat copper penny. The Deus was just barely hitting audibly on it with nothing showing on the horseshoe. All I did was lower the sense setting from 90 to 73 and it was hitting good and showing up in the horseshoe. I made sure I was ground balanced well or course.

 

[Digger 45]

I don't know why but when putting coins in the ground and then trying to detect them just isn't the same as a coin that has been in the ground for a long time. I have done the same thing with my Deus and then gone to a different area where i have had coins buried for years now and have no problem finding the dimes and quarters at 8" so you can't put a lot of faith in newly buried coins. Just the same as air test, not very accurate.

Try this, put coins in hole and tamp dirt in layers so no air is trapped on top of them, then water good so that the soil will compact even more, this is more natural and then try again, if this doesn't do the trick thin i would call your dealer and get his advice.

 

[calabash digger]

soil type will affect depth. Something seems wrong there with your settings it should hit those imo. What is your tx power on? The deus is good at hitting freshly buried targets and newly plowed fields. A minelab sturrgles in those situations.

 

[undrpar]

I agree,when i first got my deus,i buried some coins and the deus hit all of them,the deus airtests super deep as well.

soil type will affect depth.



Something seems wrong there with your settings it should hit those imo. What is your tx power on? The deus is good at hitting freshly buried targets and newly plowed fields. A minelab sturrgles in those situations.

 

[Architex]

All the suggestions are very good, plus I have hit a freshly buried quarter at 12" with my 9" round HF coil at 28 khz. It's not supposed to be that good but it did it.

 

[squirrel1]

Alright,
First so a few airtest with you unit,,,to determine that it has no obvious problem.

Use these settings as well as when you go back and recheck your coins buried.

Freq 18khz, reactvity 2.5 silencer -1, sens 90, audio report 5, disc level 6.
Do a pumping GB, and note reading ground phase wise.

Also do pump your coil over clean ground and note mineralization index meter.

Try a freshly buried clad dime.
Bury to 6".
Be mindful silencer setting will change on its own dpending on which reactivty setting you choose.

If you use the settings above and get a signal, dial reactvity to level 3 setting and see if you can get.
If you use the settings above and can't get a signal, select reactivity level 3 and try,

If you still can't get a signal, rebury clad dime at 5" deep and retry the above.

If you do get the 6" deep dime,,bury one at 7" and try, then 8".
Also,,NOTE make sure you don't have any notch dialed in.

Btw, leave tx power at a 2 setting.
Also try the above with older LF coil.
Cheers.

 

[unearth]

To answer some of the questions that have been asked. Tony N, I live in the North East San Fernando Valley; I got my Deus from Andy Sabisch.
Calabash, my TX is at 2.
Also, it seems that my machine hits these coins at very reasonable depths when air testing. But I'm going to give squirrel 1's suggestions a try and then get back to you all.
Thanks for the help.

 

[squirrel1]

To answer some of the questions that have been asked. Tony N, I live in the North East San Fernando Valley; I got my Deus from Andy Sabisch.
Calabash, my TX is at 2.
Also, it seems that my machine hits these coins at very reasonable depths when air testing. But I'm going to give squirrel 1's suggestions a try and then get back to you all.
Thanks for the help.

Also, when your try what I suggested.
See if any tone whatsoever is reported when sweeping buried coins. Even iron sounding tone.

 

[unearth]

Ok, here are my air test results...with the standard 9" coil...penny GM 8"; Fast 7"; Pitch 7"; GMaxx 8"...Nickel GM 9"; Fast 7.5/8"; Pitch 7.5"; GMaxx 8.5"...Clad Dime GM 8"; Fast 6"; Pitch 6.5"; GMaxx 7"...Clad Quarter GM 9.5"; Fast 7"; Pitch 7"; GMaxx 8". All the programs I used were as factory set. I made no alterations.

Here are my air test results...with the HF 9" coil...Penny GM 7"; Fast 6"; Pitch 7"; GMaxx 8.5"...Nickel GM 7.5/8"; Fast 6"; Pitch 7"; GMaxx 9.5"...Clad Dime GM 6.5"; Fast 5"; Pitch 5"; GMaxx 7.5/8"...Clad Quarter GM 8"; Fast 6"; Pitch 6.5"; GMaxx 9". All the programs I used were as factory set. I made no alterations.

Now, using squirrel 1 suggested set up, I could hear the penny and the dime but no VDI. I got no sound on the quarter but I did get a bit of black on the upper right side of the horseshoe. So, unless I was looking at the controller, I would have missed the quarter.
I ran the reactivity to 3 but the sound was worse. I tried moving the sensitivity up and down, no difference. I changed the frequency and the GB. It didn't seem to help. I put iron vol. up to three, no iron sound around my buried coins. When I cut the plug, put the coin in, flat, I then refilled the hole and stamped down on the plug with my feet. I'm guessing that there are no air pockets after stamping down the dirt. I didn't water the spots, but the sprinklers went on this morning.
I tried using 3, 5 and full tones. 5 and full were the best. Hard to tell which one gave the stronger signal.

While I was doing these tests in my backyard, there was a lot of chatter coming from the Deus and the mineralization bar had between 2 and 5 dots.

I don't know if this is the best I can get out of my Deus here in So. Calif. If anyone has any more suggestions, I'm all ears. I will take in an Andy Sabisch bootcamp as soon as I can get to one in the mid-west or east coast. Sooner if he makes it to the west coast.

Thanks in advance for all the information you may impart to me in my quest to master the Deus detector.

 

[squirrel1]

Something doesn't sound right.
If you got a tone on dime, with same dpsettings and quarter at the same depth you should have heard,,even better than dime.

Sounds like either or your yard might be polluted with iron or emi is affecting performance.

I would recommend you go to another site.
Do what you did above and see if your results are different.

 

[unearth]

Squirrel 1, the dime is at 8" and the quarter is at 10". But I have a feeling you may be correct about the EMI. But how do you determine if you have an EMI problem? Was the chatter I was getting the answer? Would that be enough to not hear the quarter another 2" down, even though the quarter is twice the size of the dime?

 

[squirrel1]

Squirrel 1, the dime is at 8" and the quarter is at 10". But I have a feeling you may be correct about the EMI. But how do you determine if you have an EMI problem? Was the chatter I was getting the answer? Would that be enough to not hear the quarter another 2" down, even though the quarter is twice the size of the dime?

It is possible, ground minerals could cause, emi as well.

Experimenting in a whole new site, would tell you some thing.
Be sure to boob the coil and check minerals levels at the other site as well.

And check in at least a couple places near where you bury your coins.
You should see very similar readings on mineral index meter.

Bobb coil up down down around. 6 times and see what meter says.
Generally if ground is higher mineral, Desu won't waste much time with the dots creeping up in meter.