I set up a park like test in my living room...I put a little piece of tinfoil on top of a 3 inch glass then I placed a clad dime 8 inches away from the glass on the floor..I sweeped my 8 inch coil (SLOW) and the dime nulled..I moved the dime 12 inches away from the glass and it was an iffy dig signal..I'm concluding here that if theres a tiny piece of trash within a foot and above a coin you are screwed..I don't like this at all from a so-called hight tech modern machine, all I do is hunt trashy parks and I'm pretty much screwed
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The Etrac failed the trashy park test
- Thread starter Bugalooob
- Start date
Steve from Ohio
New member
Aw.....WAH WAH WAH....... quit trying to compare air tests to real world tests.
The FBS system works best IN THE GROUND and air testing means nothing.
You are not screwed and you should quit wining. I keep seeing these posts from supposed owners and how they are this or that.
Go out and hunt and you will find stuff....that is if you really have an E-Trac.
I hunt trashy parks all the time. Find silver all the time. Find gold rings all the time. Find all kinds of stuff all the time. I find trash in with the good stuff all the time. Trash Over good targets and on the sides.
So much for that.
The FBS system works best IN THE GROUND and air testing means nothing.
You are not screwed and you should quit wining. I keep seeing these posts from supposed owners and how they are this or that.
Go out and hunt and you will find stuff....that is if you really have an E-Trac.
I hunt trashy parks all the time. Find silver all the time. Find gold rings all the time. Find all kinds of stuff all the time. I find trash in with the good stuff all the time. Trash Over good targets and on the sides.
So much for that.
You need to learn how to use the E-Trac or sell it to someone who will use it .It is one of the best machines made for coin hunting in trashy sites.The vast majority of posters who use and learn the E-Trac have made countless posts to this effect.Not sure what your game is ?
1. Either you have a faulty unit.
2. You have not learned how to use it yet .
3. You like to stir things up with all the E-Tracs HUGE problems and test failures you keep posting about.
4. You are a Troll.
5.Or you just crave lots of attention.
1. Either you have a faulty unit.
2. You have not learned how to use it yet .
3. You like to stir things up with all the E-Tracs HUGE problems and test failures you keep posting about.
4. You are a Troll.
5.Or you just crave lots of attention.
diggin jimmy hoffa
Member
Get out into a real park setting and give it a try. The only thing you're gonna find in the living room is nails
Hard Nosed Dave
New member
Your testing method is hardly a way to make a conclusion of what you might or might not miss finding when using the Etrac with the coin placed at that relative depth to a piece of foil. You even say yourself that at one point It's an iffy signal. I gather it's the signal that your getting form the dime...right....Let me say that, it's better than NO signal or the wrong signal.
I believe that if anything , you'd be screwed only if you believe that such a signal was not worth digging.
If you post your pattern and your mode settings here, maybe one of us will attempt your experiment.
I'll give it a try.
Maybe your settings aren't quite right or maybe they are exactly the way they're supposed to be.....or maybe your just busting all of our balls...............
OR
MAYBE the Etrac is not just good enough for what you seek......that's fine. Sell the Etrac and find something your happy with.
How simple is that.
Can't wait to see where and what you'll be boasting about when you find what your next detector can do.
I really do hope you find it.
HH
Hard Nosed Dave
I believe that if anything , you'd be screwed only if you believe that such a signal was not worth digging.
If you post your pattern and your mode settings here, maybe one of us will attempt your experiment.
I'll give it a try.
Maybe your settings aren't quite right or maybe they are exactly the way they're supposed to be.....or maybe your just busting all of our balls...............
OR
MAYBE the Etrac is not just good enough for what you seek......that's fine. Sell the Etrac and find something your happy with.
How simple is that.
Can't wait to see where and what you'll be boasting about when you find what your next detector can do.
I really do hope you find it.
HH
Hard Nosed Dave
Do you guys own stock in the company or what?...I paid 1500 bucks for this detector and want 1500 dollar performance...Would a coin buried under 4 inches of dirt 8 inches away from a pull tab buried at 1 inch make any difference in the field then my indoor test?...No it wouldn't because I tested it in my yard and the machine nulls, I doubt if the coin was buried for 50 years it wouldn't make any differrence...The machine has blazing fast recovery when you place a piece of garbage next to a coin on a level surface in all the promo videos but in actual field use when the coin is buried anyway near a shallower piece of trash you are screwed...I'm using fast recovery, detect deep,high trash, difficult ground, gain at 26, multitone and standard coin program
Bugalooob said:
If you are not happy with your E-trac, then maybe you should simply get a different detector. You could sell your E-trac to get the ball rolling. You would get a great price on your E-trac, but you probably wouldn't re-coop all you spent to buy it. You'll probably come up a few hundred dollars shy. That's not too bad. Look at that loss as a rental fee, if that makes you feel better. You tried it out and decided it wasn't for you. That's what I would do if I felt like I was screwed as you say you are. No big deal. Unload it and buy a different detector or just give up on detecting all together. I'm new to the E-trac myself. I pulled some silver out of a so-called "hunted out" site Saturday. I'm very happy with my detector. But...if I wasn't happy with it's performance, I'd sell it and move on instead of stressing myself out. Your other option is to get to know your detector better by going out hunting with it more often. You will learn more about it and may decide to keep it. It's up to you. Good luck. Dan
I can see part of your trouble now.If you had it set up right you would not be getting a null on pulltabs in the first place. The standard coins mode does not disc out pulltabs,at least not on my machine.That is why it has Target ID and different tones.To get the most out of it in trash you will need to back way off on the discrimination. Your settings might be fine for shallow clad but are not going to be very productive on deep coins in trashy areas,Ray.
PS No conection to any company in any way .Just happy with all the great old coins the E-Trac has allowed me to dig in some very trashy and hard hit sites,Ray.
PS No conection to any company in any way .Just happy with all the great old coins the E-Trac has allowed me to dig in some very trashy and hard hit sites,Ray.
Your right, I don't like it ...I though maybe detectors had advanced somewhat in the last 20 years but I guess not, my old 6000 di Pro found more silvers in one day then this detector has found in 2 weeks at the same sites( I have 40 hours on the Etrac trying every setting possible)..Maybe it was due to the Di's concentric coil , I don't know...Anyway the etrac is going on Ebay, some people hate Minelabs, others love em..There is no middle ground with these machines.. I HATE em
By the way when I went outside to do the dirt test I blacked out the whole smartfind screen except for the 12-42-44 area range and when I went to all metal, it was just showing the tab..never the dime
By the way when I went outside to do the dirt test I blacked out the whole smartfind screen except for the 12-42-44 area range and when I went to all metal, it was just showing the tab..never the dime
What are you trying to accomplish Bob 
I don't have an E-Trac so I have no reason to defend it. I have actually complained vehemently about Minelab's decisions to abandon so much of the good things with the Explorer. I don't own stock in Minelab although I'm a very satisfied user of a much slower (read: more apt to null) Explorer II.
That being said, Bob, you're complaining about restrictions with VLF technology and associating those restrictions to the E-Trac. It's a misunderstanding of the technology. Slow down and swing both directions and you'll eliminate 70% of your complaint. Otherwise, get a single freq detector and run it in all-metal or in single tone and discrim iron - as you can see from the General youtube vid on another of your complaining posts. In that youtube video, what he doesn't show you is that if he puts a pull tab, piece of foil, or bottcap where the dime is he get's the same tone. So although you heard the signal you still recovered junk. I can assure you, that you'll find more valuable finds doing that, but you'll also dig 30X (no exaggeration) the holes.
Make your dissatisfaction known (which I believe helps your fellow hobbyists) BUT THEN MOVE ON. These repeated posts are what make people disregard your complaints and actually attack you instead of listening. Either find ways to make it work for you or chalk it up as a mistake and get a different detector.
20 years ago that was correct. There was less trash, more to recover, and the valuable targets were more shallow.
I don't have an E-Trac so I have no reason to defend it. I have actually complained vehemently about Minelab's decisions to abandon so much of the good things with the Explorer. I don't own stock in Minelab although I'm a very satisfied user of a much slower (read: more apt to null) Explorer II.
That being said, Bob, you're complaining about restrictions with VLF technology and associating those restrictions to the E-Trac. It's a misunderstanding of the technology. Slow down and swing both directions and you'll eliminate 70% of your complaint. Otherwise, get a single freq detector and run it in all-metal or in single tone and discrim iron - as you can see from the General youtube vid on another of your complaining posts. In that youtube video, what he doesn't show you is that if he puts a pull tab, piece of foil, or bottcap where the dime is he get's the same tone. So although you heard the signal you still recovered junk. I can assure you, that you'll find more valuable finds doing that, but you'll also dig 30X (no exaggeration) the holes.
Make your dissatisfaction known (which I believe helps your fellow hobbyists) BUT THEN MOVE ON. These repeated posts are what make people disregard your complaints and actually attack you instead of listening. Either find ways to make it work for you or chalk it up as a mistake and get a different detector.
AngryBob said:
20 years ago that was correct. There was less trash, more to recover, and the valuable targets were more shallow.
Steve from Ohio
New member
He said...."By the way when I went outside to do the dirt test I blacked out the whole smartfind screen except for the 12-42-44 area range and when I went to all metal, it was just showing the tab..never the dime"
I say...
That tells me that he does not know how to use the E-trac. Better to sell it. And no I do not own stock in the company.
By the way, let me know where you detect so I can find all the stuff you are going to miss.
I say...
That tells me that he does not know how to use the E-trac. Better to sell it. And no I do not own stock in the company.
By the way, let me know where you detect so I can find all the stuff you are going to miss.
CoinShooter-Craig
New member
It makes all the difference in the world!! A coin in the ground that long develops a halo / aura ( I forgot the proper term at the moment ) around it , and FBS detectors are great at picking them up. That's why air tests and even new test gardens don't compare to detecting items that have been in the ground a long time. I was slightly discouraged with my E-trac at first until i took the time to learn it's language. Now I'm cherry picking coins out of my old sites that my other detectors missed , and I hit those sites HARD with my other detectors. If you don't like your E-Trac sell it so we can find all the coins that you miss!!Bugalooob said:
Hard Nosed Dave
New member
No, I own no stock or have ANY pecuniary interest in any metal detecting company. I do live here in Australia BUT that actually says very little about anything....unless you believe that I live down-under when I actually believe it's up-over. So it really depends on where one would view earth from space ....doesn't it? So sometimes , not everything seems as it really should be.
Don't think that there is any "assault" on you going on. There are a whole lot more useful things to do that waste time like assaulting anyone on this or any other forum.
You have drawn a very odd conclusion a to the Etrac's ability in YOUR hands and then making these conclusions into a statement doesn't seem right. I like many others are not totally convinced. What I'd like IF YOU CAN BE BOTHERED is knowing such possibilities. You've not been consistent in what you've explained about how you conduct this trial on the Etrac, as I have read that you've now done this in the ground outside on another forum.
So which one is it? Above the ground or under the ground?
This is quite simply challenge to you conclusions. I really hope you are mature and wise enough to handle this challenge.
To me pretty much all else is clear but I am unsure of what settings are you using.
Do you know how to save the pattern and the mode of your Etrac you are using and then post them on this forum?
Can you post your *.ptrn and mode rather than lock horns with anyone?
You'll get an answer soon enough form me or any one else who can figure out this possible dilemma.............IF it actually is one.
Personally, I actually think it isn't as you are talking to general about the Etracs ability............ BUT I do like being proved wrong.
Hard Nosed Dave
Don't think that there is any "assault" on you going on. There are a whole lot more useful things to do that waste time like assaulting anyone on this or any other forum.
You have drawn a very odd conclusion a to the Etrac's ability in YOUR hands and then making these conclusions into a statement doesn't seem right. I like many others are not totally convinced. What I'd like IF YOU CAN BE BOTHERED is knowing such possibilities. You've not been consistent in what you've explained about how you conduct this trial on the Etrac, as I have read that you've now done this in the ground outside on another forum.
So which one is it? Above the ground or under the ground?
This is quite simply challenge to you conclusions. I really hope you are mature and wise enough to handle this challenge.
To me pretty much all else is clear but I am unsure of what settings are you using.
Do you know how to save the pattern and the mode of your Etrac you are using and then post them on this forum?
Can you post your *.ptrn and mode rather than lock horns with anyone?
You'll get an answer soon enough form me or any one else who can figure out this possible dilemma.............IF it actually is one.
Personally, I actually think it isn't as you are talking to general about the Etracs ability............ BUT I do like being proved wrong.
Hard Nosed Dave
fireball10x
New member
I used the e-trac for the first time today and i love it ! I had no problem working in the trash in fact I found a 1846 large cent at 10 inches near pulltabs and other stuff with the stock coil, earlier in the day i found a 1942 merc in the trash with the 6x8 sef coil and it separates great but you have to go slow kind of like painting.If your used to using a whites and are using the e-trac at whites speed you will miss alot of coins,go slow and you will love the set and if your gonna work in trash alot get a smaller coil but above all learn how to use it before you make expert opinions.
RandyNorthridgeca
New member
With all due respect, forget the in home tests. Get out in the field and dig lots of targets. Learn what the E-Trac is telling you. The more you work with the E-Trac the better it gets. Unless you have a lemon you'll find your share of oldies in the trash. I'm still using the stock coil and I detect in heavy trash. I can assure you that the E-Trac will pull oldies out of the trash. Get out there and have some fun with your new toy.
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