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Tone Question On Nickel

Ronk

Active member
I just remembered something about the other post of the person that found the 9 inch nickel with his Omega.The nickel had a High Tone instead on the Low or Medium Tone.He was using the Disc mode but why did the nickel have a High Tone? The manual states that in D3 the nickel should have the Low Tone and D4 should have the Medium Tone.
Or does it have something to do with the nickels Not being rejected past "Nickel Reject" after a certain depth? and I'm not the only one that that has happened to.

HH!
RonK
 
I know you are looking for info about your brand specific , but I can tell you I use another brand and somtimes when I disc out nickel I have a good tone , and out of the ground comes a nickel. It's very rare but has happened. The time I remember it was right next to a nail.
 
It might not be as rare as we might think.I've read where several others had the same thing happen as well as myself.It seems like after nickels reach a certain depth "Maybe depending on soil but not proven" they can not be rejected.I had my disc at max and the nickel came in as clear as a bell. Actually that might be good thing to know.Also sometimes nickels Air test better than quarters for some reason.In the air the nickel will be rejected at the proper disc setting but in the ground at certain depths it can not be rejected but I can live with that! It might not be that way with every detector or any kind of ground.It's still a mystery! I wonder if a gold target that has the same conductivity as a nickel would respond the same way or even a square tab or beaver tail past a certain depth!?

HH!
RonK
 
I have had the uber deep nickle sound off when it was supposed to be disc'd out on the T2. I actually had the disc set to max setting. I also think its related to depth. In my case, there was no co-located target with the 9" deep nickle. That was the first thing I checked for when I pulled the nickle out. Let's say I was rather shocked for a few seconds when I saw the nickle:)
 
I believe it's any number of variables, depth, corrosion/rust, soil conditions, etc.

I found an 8" deep buffalo with my F75 and I recall it having a high coin TID (was hoping it was deep silver :rolleyes:
 
Cal...I know the feeling....as 10 feet from that 1941 nickel I had pulled out a 1918s penny in EF condition with no corrosion.
 
As far as I know I'm the first to write this about nickles, but I have found them to be more of a problem then just falling into single populated junk zone!

Ready!
Story time.

Me and my brother both have Fisher 1266's and in trying to increase our nickle finds we starting working on a way to get the nickles to fall in between the two discrimination controls, well one thing led to another.
I started air testing the nickle and I found that the farther from the coil the more discrimination it took to reject the nickle :surprised:

So then I decided to make a nickle test garden, which would be added to my one year old coin gardens. My coin garden's go's like this,
3" garden, has a clad dime, a nickle, and a clad quarter.
6" garden, has a copper penny, a nickle, and a silver quarter.

Now the added nickle garden goes like this,
Nickle @ 4"
Nickle @ 5"
Nickle @ 6"

So, out I go with the 1266 to see if in the ground at different depths if I could adjust the nickles within the two disc controls. Well I did but it took a much wider range of the two controls:confused: My first thought was that it had something to do with the old electronics of the 1266's.

Well, I got to thinking???? if the nickles at depth move up in discrimination level then wouldn't they move up into higher ID levels on another detector?

Now it gets interesting!

I take my Coinstrike out with the Sunray CS-5 coil thinking a nickle was a nickle at any depth that the detector would get a good report on, right?
Not so! here is the numbers I got, (the Coinstrike's numeric range for nickles is 9-11)
Nickel's
3" ID= 10
4" ID= 12
5" ID= 20
6" ID= 26-27 (and a bit jumpy) (Clad dimes and copper cents come in around 2:geek: :shrug:

Now that's two detectors! but I'm not done!

I got out my Whites 5900 Di Pro/sl and tried it!
The nickles went right up the scale just like the the other two detectors.

Then I thought maybe its because they are fresh buried??
So then I decided to do some more test, I looked at what I had in my coin gardens,
The 3"had a one year buried nickle and the 6" had a nickle buried at the same time! Well I tried both of those and got the same results

Now, I was thinking that the same thing should happen to other coins right? Wrong!

My 3" garden also has a quarter and so does the 6" garden, so I did the test on the two different quarters. (the coinstrike's range for quarters is 30-34)

the 3" quarter ID= 33
the 6" quarter ID= 35 (a little jumpy) (Nothing like the spread as the nickles)

Okay, were almost up to date (where I'm at now)

Lets look at the 5" nickle at a meter reading of 20, at first I couldn't get any audio report on it at all?? :sadwalk: so then I studied that problem for awhile and then it hit me,
The Zinc range for the coinstrike is!!! ?? you got it 20-22, I had Zinc's notched out!

Now the 6" nickle with meter reading of 26-27 that's the edge of the high tone range for copper pennies and dimes and it was a bit jumpy, so a 6" plus nickle can read like a penny!

That's why cherry picking nickles is pretty easy down to around 3" or so, they read like nickles, but they get more evasive the deeper they get. And if you work through the different depths down to about 5.5" they pass though several other junk zones:ranting:

Now, my thinking at this point about finding more nickles gets a little difficult.
Nickles down to 3" will ID @ nickles. But at 5" they come in more like a Zinc, that means for me I would have to ID the target, then read the depth, if its a 20 and 5" deep then its a little more likely to be a nickle because Zinc's are not that deep around here.

So, go bury some nickles and get some numbers and let us know what you find. An early test is to just do some air testing at different measured points from the coil and see if the nickles don't go up the scale?

I'm still looking at some more testing of nickles,
WV62 (one of my brothers) has a Fisher F75 and I want to get him to see how the F75 respones to my nickle garden. Also, my other brother has my CZ-7a Pro on loan and I want to try it out on the nickles as well.

The Elusive,
The Evasive,
Nickles

Mark
 
That's very interesting! Others have stated that there was probably other metal close to the nickel but I know that wasn't the case with the the nickels I've tested.There was no other metal around.I've also tested nickels in different locations and had the same results.It seems like the alloy of the nickel combined with the minerals to a certain degree and the electromagnetic field and maybe moisture or not and the distance all combined to allow the nickel to respond higher on the reading and on the tone. The test that I have done have all been in the Disc mode.It's still a mystery and I don't know if it can be pin pointed as to why it happens like it does.If it could be figured out beyond a doubt why it reacts that way,then maybe they can build it in the detectors tone circuits and Visual Id to say it's a Deep Nickel with a High reading and Tone.Maybe a certain place on the scale to know for sure it has the same conductivity as a Nickel.At least it's something to think about.

HH!
RonK
 
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6" ID= 26-27 (and a bit jumpy) (Clad dimes and copper cents come in around 28)

Mark
 
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