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Vaquero discrimination

I am beginning to believe supertuning is only good in the woods.I would not supertune the v no were else really.Because if you supertune you can't size up the target with the all metal pinpoint because the threshold is maxed out.Hunting yards and parks i would not supertune.It's to powerful on the trash.And the audio sucks.I don't have a v now but i ran one long enough to know something about it.:O
 
SpiritRelic said:
I am beginning to believe supertuning is only good in the woods.I would not supertune the v no were else really.Because if you supertune you can't size up the target with the all metal pinpoint because the threshold is maxed out.Hunting yards and parks i would not supertune.It's to powerful on the trash.And the audio sucks.I don't have a v now but i ran one long enough to know something about it.:O
I totally concur! Much smoother and quieter with the threshold at 1:00 or lower.
 
SpiritRelic said:
I bet the ctx will not air test a quarter at 13 ".If i does i will be surprised.My old sovereign could not keep up with the Vaquero! :-V

I will call and raise that bet.
 
SpiritRelic said:
I am beginning to believe supertuning is only good in the woods.I would not supertune the v no were else really.Because if you supertune you can't size up the target with the all metal pinpoint because the threshold is maxed out.Hunting yards and parks i would not supertune.It's to powerful on the trash.And the audio sucks.I don't have a v now but i ran one long enough to know something about it.:O

I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I can disc tabs out fine, I sure wish I could get my Vaq to disc out nails. Even at almost max disc I still pick up them up at 4" or more deep.
 
atomicscott said:
I can disc tabs out fine, I sure wish I could get my Vaq to disc out nails. Even at almost max disc I still pick up them up at 4" or more deep.
That's weird.I never had that problem with any Tesoro.You need to make a thread about this.Never ever heard of this?You need to ask some questions about this for real Scott.
 
I've been complaining about this since getting my V. Nails at 6-7-8 inches give a great signal and don't disc out. Get real tired of digging that deep to find a nail. You have to do it though, you just never know.


SpiritRelic said:
atomicscott said:
I can disc tabs out fine, I sure wish I could get my Vaq to disc out nails. Even at almost max disc I still pick up them up at 4" or more deep.
That's weird.I never had that problem with any Tesoro.You need to make a thread about this.Never ever heard of this?You need to ask some questions about this for real Scott.
 
BillF said:
I've been complaining about this since getting my V. Nails at 6-7-8 inches give a great signal and don't disc out. Get real tired of digging that deep to find a nail. You have to do it though, you just never know.


SpiritRelic said:
atomicscott said:
I can disc tabs out fine, I sure wish I could get my Vaq to disc out nails. Even at almost max disc I still pick up them up at 4" or more deep.
That's weird.I never had that problem with any Tesoro.You need to make a thread about this.Never ever heard of this?You need to ask some questions about this for real Scott.

I third this statement about nails. My Vaquero picks then up no matter what. And they sound like a really good target
 
Come to think about it,y'all are right.The old bigger rusty nails that have been in the ground a lot give me a fit too.Even on the golden with tones they fool me.They can get just a pinch of high tone to make me dig it. :-*
 
I have been finding tent stakes that don't DISC out with my V. I spoke to Rusty over a year ago, and if I remember correctly, large metal objects do not DISC out well. I can never DISC out large drink cans.
Andy
 
My experience is that it is the enormous rust red patch of soil that is the problem. Remove or break it up, and hey, that rusty whatzit is correctly IDed.

Top
 
Topdecker said:
My experience is that it is the enormous rust red patch of soil that is the problem. Remove or break it up, and hey, that rusty whatzit is correctly IDed.

Top

Top has hit the nail on the head:rofl: Normally for me, when the ground is opened it will change from a good tone to a broken tone, especially if I X the pattern. Some times when I get that good tone I will dive in (in a hurry) with the propointer and not check it with the detector and out comes a nail. Usually the only ones that wont disc out are the large square nails, but for some reason I like finding those old square nails in good shape:shrug:
 
smokey63 said:
Topdecker said:
My experience is that it is the enormous rust red patch of soil that is the problem. Remove or break it up, and hey, that rusty whatzit is correctly IDed.

Top

Top has hit the nail on the head:rofl: Normally for me, when the ground is opened it will change from a good tone to a broken tone, especially if I X the pattern. Some times when I get that good tone I will dive in (in a hurry) with the propointer and not check it with the detector and out comes a nail. Usually the only ones that wont disc out are the large square nails, but for some reason I like finding those old square nails in good shape:shrug:
I believe I have been experiencing this. I get a good signal & I dig it then the signal breaks up or disappears. Very frustrating.
 
have not got a Vaq Yet but I sometimes deal with this with my Shadow and have sometimes stomped the ground over thje target and sometimes it will change the tone and break a bit also was told by a fellow that has been detecting for over 50 yrs when you get a target and you dig and loose it it normally is small and you have opened the Halo effect around it by disturbing the dirt and I never thought about it that way but I am sure it is correct I dug an found a very old rusty washer and the ground was so discolored around it I woulld keep getting a slight tone and tic until I moved it around so much I lost it was thinking on gettin a Vaquero the nails you are digging are they really rusty or clean ?
 
Ive been doing that without thinking about it. Especially in the spring when the ground is really moist, a good stomp or two seem to settle the signal down really well.
Mud
 
BarryL said:
have not got a Vaq Yet but I sometimes deal with this with my Shadow and have sometimes stomped the ground over thje target and sometimes it will change the tone and break a bit also was told by a fellow that has been detecting for over 50 yrs when you get a target and you dig and loose it it normally is small and you have opened the Halo effect around it by disturbing the dirt and I never thought about it that way but I am sure it is correct I dug an found a very old rusty washer and the ground was so discolored around it I woulld keep getting a slight tone and tic until I moved it around so much I lost it was thinking on gettin a Vaquero the nails you are digging are they really rusty or clean ?

The nails are reallllllly rusty
 
The V is supposed to be good for coins or relics. Rusty iron falls into that category and is probably why it hits so hard. Usually when I dig a plug and rescan the hole, if my signal disappears I flip my plug back over and move on. Lately though that isn't happening, I continue getting a good signal, get excited there's a coin in the hole and end up pulling a small very thin nail out. It's quite frustrating.
 
SpiritRelic said:
I get no depth lose on the vaq setting at tab.I have dug hundreds of silver coins using this method since the time i was ten years old.I am forty eight now.I have used this tab setting when i want to quickly locate silver coins and not giving a rip about what i missed because read my lips,i am hunting silver coins.So by setting the disc on tab it quickly allows me to home in on faint deep good signals .Are you with me so far.I don't give a rip about missing something because i was hunting for silver coins.Does everyone understand what i am saying.I will say it one more time.Old silver coins are mixed in my very trashed tab laden parks.By me setting the disc to tab,i quickly was able to just concentrate on good faint coin targets to increase my silver coin finds.I was not jewelry hunting.Anyone that does not understand the concept.I don't really care. :-D

I've not been following this topic that much but! its VERY common what your doing!
Yes we understand it!
All of us has done it at one time or another! (those of us that has been at for a number of years anyway)
In metal detecting I have found two different uses for the term "cherry Picking"

One,
To surface hunt for fresh drop coins and jewelry (modern fair grounds and ball fields, ect..)

Two,
Run high discrimination and just try to pull out silver coins. (the most common people I know of that do this is E-Trac owners, I know others do it but the this is the E-Trac's claim to fame)

Now, the problem with many machines is that running high levels of discrimination you loose a good bit of depth, and some more than others.

So, don't get the idea that you've found some new way of detecting that nobody has figured out, you haven't!

What some people can't get over is picking out two or three silver coins worth maybe a total of $15.00 and in the same area passing up $300.00 worth of gold! to some people that just don't make sense. (different people with different ideas)

Trust me! we do understand what your saying, we really do get it! Your Looking For Silver Coins and running the disc at or above tabs you get more of what your looking for, "Silver" and in doing that your not wasting time digging so much trash! WE GOT IT! (really)

Years ago your style of hunting was MOST common among coin shooters, silver was common and the few pieces of gold laying around just wasn't worth the effort of sifting through the trash to get it. But! times have changed sense your were 10 years old, silver coins in most area's are getting pretty thinned out, yes they are still there, but in a good number of places they have been worked HARD! for YEARS of your hunting style.
So, for the modern days of hunting and wanting to stay into the hobby and the fact that GOLD is now worth so much money and the silver coins are all but gone in the common hunting places. So, many of us are changing gears and starting to get the gold as well.

We Do Understand What Your Saying!
In The Days Gone By, you had basically two types of hunting,

One,
Relic (rusty barn door hinges, never liked that, yes, I know that included War relics)

Two,
Coin Shooters. (in the early 80's I was a coin shooter, give me an ID meter and a place where some silver coins and I was happy)

So, I'm from the old school of the coin shooting group. (Yes, I understand what your saying, its a pretty basic way of thinking)

Mark
 
BarryL said:
have not got a Vaq Yet but I sometimes deal with this with my Shadow and have sometimes stomped the ground over thje target and sometimes it will change the tone and break a bit also was told by a fellow that has been detecting for over 50 yrs when you get a target and you dig and loose it it normally is small and you have opened the Halo effect around it by disturbing the dirt and I never thought about it that way but I am sure it is correct I dug an found a very old rusty washer and the ground was so discolored around it I woulld keep getting a slight tone and tic until I moved it around so much I lost it was thinking on gettin a Vaquero the nails you are digging are they really rusty or clean ?

In my area most of the modern nails are rusty and the older square nails have very little to moderate rust. Just depends on what type soil there in.
 
BillF said:
The V is supposed to be good for coins or relics. Rusty iron falls into that category and is probably why it hits so hard. Usually when I dig a plug and rescan the hole, if my signal disappears I flip my plug back over and move on. Lately though that isn't happening, I continue getting a good signal, get excited there's a coin in the hole and end up pulling a small very thin nail out. It's quite frustrating.

I have noticed this randomly, but only in the last couple of months. Only thing I can think of is the ground here is soaked due to continious rainfall:confused: During dry spells I dont have this problem.
 
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