Whats is your "Audio Response" Set to? :jump:

[digmeahole]

And why? According to the instruction manual pg 62 . We should not be using normal unless we are just starting out.

Normal "Blanks out" at the end of the signal making it cut out sharply. in essence same as nulling and taking time to recover. We are losing targets this way even in TTF. If your over a piece of iron and slowly moving the coil the blanking can occur over a "good" target.

Pitch hold also produces the same effect. So If you really don't want any interruption between targets our only choice seems to be Long or Smooth.

"Normal emits a short response to targets. Normal is recommended for general detecting conditions. Has the potential to miss small targets in areas littered with objects" Short version of Normal response from pg 62

So if you are using TTF because of high trash areas to begin with and your using normal it is not the optimum setting for those conditions.

If you are using Long or Smooth please let us know and why you prefer either one.

 

[joedirt]

I have been using "Long" of late. I like it, and I'm trying to train myself you use it better. I don't want the clipping at the end of the signal as your noted.

Even the manual says that Long is better and for more experienced hunters. Well..... I want to hunt like a more experienced hunter. The only way to do that is to actually do it.

I was using "normal" and a very restrictive discrimination pattern starting out and have found my fair share of clad coins. I can only imagine how many good targets I've passed up along the way.

Now I'm using Long and a more open pattern to capture more of the potential keepers.

The last two times out in the country doing what many would consider "relic hunting", when I masked out the pure iron and foil and dug EVERYTHING else they ALL turned out to be some goodies made of something other than iron. Amongst the finds a 1869 shielded nickel and a 3 ring civil war era bullet. Not a huge take, but I may very well have passed them over using my previous techniques.

 

[digmeahole]

Well Joe, Its just me and you pal! Looks like everyone else is on normal! I am far from normal mentally so why use it on the E-Trac? lol I am going to try Long and Smooth tomorrow and post back!

 

[stasys]

And why? According to the instruction manual pg 62 . We should not be using normal unless we are just starting out.

Normal "Blanks out" at the end of the signal making it cut out sharply. in essence same as nulling and taking time to recover. We are losing targets this way even in TTF. If your over a piece of iron and slowly moving the coil the blanking can occur over a "good" target.

Pitch hold also produces the same effect. So If you really don't want any interruption between targets our only choice seems to be Long or Smooth.

"Normal emits a short response to targets. Normal is recommended for general detecting conditions. Has the potential to miss small targets in areas littered with objects" Short version of Normal response from pg 62

So if you are using TTF because of high trash areas to begin with and your using normal it is not the optimum setting for those conditions.

If you are using Long or Smooth please let us know and why you prefer either one.

On my explorer--but its the same like etrac--sorry. I used very much long with open screen in TTF, but its power sucking type detecting-very hard for brain and ears. smooth only worth in very special places littered with iron and when you cant get anything in Normal. believe me no point to use it in 95% places. In Normal mode you can do faster and easier and the same quality JOB. But if you want to use it everywhere, try to compare on target, switching from normal to smooth, to be sure if its worth. Stasys

 

[Southwind]

You know, I read all these scientific reasons to run in a certain mode or setting, but I personally have found most to be little more than someone else's concept. I run Normal because thats what works best for me. I've tried long and smooth and neither worked worth a crap for me.

 

[sugar]

well we need answers please you tech guys dont just discuss this GIVE US THE ANSWERS we are not the tech ones we are the hangers on that will do what you tell us so do we run long?? smooth??normal or

WHAT guys we need the best noise to get the goodies we dont want to be missing things so we hang on to your every word thanks for any advice i am working on pasture that i have almost emptied but i know there are still some goodies to be had and i want to find them any info on settings is GREATLY APPRECIATED THANKS IN ANTICIPATION

 

[hershey1]

That's what makes the E-Trac so nice you can set it up to suit whatever hunting condition you are faced with. I used a Safari for a couple of years and kind of got used to the tones and it did not have the options the E-Trac has. I have experimented with some of the different options on the E-Trac and can see where they can be very usefull in different situations. I like fast on at most parks if there is a lot of trash. Also like the TTF option. May use the pitch&hold more in some places. But as time goes on I will try them all in hunting situations. Really like quick-mask. Whatever a person finds that helps them get the good stuff is what it is all about anyway. Good post. HH

 

[stasys]

Best is not to use any discrimination-simply in TTF and hunt the same spot--good spot -from all different angles possible in this planet, without discrimination you can get signals panted buy iron cocktail, use manual sens. drop in iron and add in clear, last Audio smooth. But remember long after you got everything from yours self and mashine call to long for help. good luck Stasys

 

[RandyNorthridgeca]

I've tried the others and just don't like them but hate to think I've missed something using normal that one of the other audio settings would have found. For me to change from normal I would have be shown a target that someone found in the other audio settings and I couldn't hear it in normal. I'm sure the other audio settings have there place but it takes time to learn another set of tones and I have my normal tones down pat so I'm hesitant give the other settings a shot.

 

[Des D]

Hiya,

Good question!

Me? I set mine according to my mood!

If a quick session I'd pick Normal
If a beach hunt I'd pick Pitch Hold (or Normal)
If I'm really into the hunt, have the time and the weather and clean ground I'd pick Smooth

Des D

 

[digmeahole]

You know, I read all these scientific reasons to run in a certain mode or setting, but I personally have found most to be little more than someone else's concept. I run Normal because thats what works best for me. I've tried long and smooth and neither worked worth a crap for me.

You have one of the most advanced "scientific" detectors on the market... Why wouldn't you want to get the most out of it? Makes no sense... I could understand that statement if you had an ace 150 but a E-Trac? and its not "someone else's concept it's Minelab's concept who makes your machine. If that guitar in your hands is detuned do you leave it that way?

 

[digmeahole]

Would love to hear an expert opinion on this.....DIGGER where are you? lol

 

[Flambeaux]

I really dont think you are missing anything running in normal. Its the Normal mode to be in. Mostly preference. Read Andy's book...tells all about it.

 

[Diggler]

I use LONG. Why? I feel like it helps differentiate targets. Say for instance a 12-13 nickle sounds a little smoother than a 12-13 can slaw. Or maybe I just think it does? But when I try the other responses I have to switch back after not too long.

 

[digmeahole]

I really dont think you are missing anything running in normal. Its the Normal mode to be in. Mostly preference. Read Andy's book...tells all about it.

Andys book says exactly what the manual says. pg 31 in Sabisch's Book... regarding normal and i quote "This is the easiest mode to learn BUT in high trash sites can result in targets in close proximity to the 1st detected target to BE MISSED" Then he refers us back to the owners manual

.......I am not trying to be rude but you are wrong.. We now have the owners manual and Andy's book telling us the same thing....

So in conclusion, If we are hunting a trashy site or a "Hunted out park" Normal is not the mode to be in.....

 

[Flambeaux]

I dont see how that is possble when I use TTF and have pulled many many good targets buried with nails. What you are saying would mean i wouldnt be able to find the one wheatie in very trashy yards..but i do all the time.And you arent rude..very good point. I did read that but understood it alittle different. Good hunting

 

[Flambeaux]

I really dont think you are missing anything running in normal. Its the Normal mode to be in. Mostly preference. Read Andy's book...tells all about it.

Andys book says exactly what the manual says. pg 31 in Sabisch's Book... regarding normal and i quote "This is the easiest mode to learn BUT in high trash sites can result in targets in close proximity to the 1st detected target to BE MISSED" Then he refers us back to the owners manual

.......I am not trying to be rude but you are wrong.. We now have the owners manual and Andy's book telling us the same thing....

So in conclusion, If we are hunting a trashy site or a "Hunted out park" Normal is not the mode to be in.....

So in conclusion, Its up the the operator as to what response he is comfortable with.

 

[digmeahole]

Thanks, And yes its the owners choice but at least we figured out that it may help to try other setting besides normal. BTW I would never have thought to look at Andy's book till you mentioned it! And we did it without the experts opinions! lol just there books!

ps: I just thought of the other day in my backyard where i was getting a clear signal when i swept 1 way but a mixed signal the other and i was in normal..... I never dug it I was not in ttf and i was using multi tones. I am going to go back and see if i can find the same target and try smooth and long and see if it clears up the response from the other way.......I will report back.....

Thanks to everyone who chimed in here it has been a real learning experience!

 

[Flambeaux]

Oh just a side note, several experts in Andys book shows what their settings are, and many use normal. But, I think its worth trying all the responses and find out which one works for certain conditions. In this case, there is no correct answer. Its all about where you are and how much trash. Good hunting..

 

[1goldsniper]

I experienced that today. Running ttf everything black below 26 in quick mask and the trash was so heavy that anything but a snails pace sweep was the only way I could pick up a dime on top of the ground in Normal. I did manage with the 26 down discriminated to pull out 2 token, 1 dime, and a brass county fair metal. I have been over it in ttf wide open screen and never picked them up due to all the noise. Will be fun to try smooth or long!