Whites Spring Special Detech Ultimate13" Coil

[cachefinder]

Just got an email that Whites will add the Detech Ultimate 13" coil to certain models of metal detectors.
Will come included with the V3i, VX3 at no extra cost. MXT All Pro, MXT All pro 950 and MXT there will be an extra cost.
Also will be able to purchase the 13" Ultimate coil as an accessory. Do not have any prices yet.
Will there be other Detech coils available for Whites users from White's? Have not heard anything but it would be nice if they would
add other size Detech coils.

Looks like the New Whites Detectors at least are not coming out this Spring.

 

[Mega]

You have just received a email but from who did it come from,i would be most suprised that Whites sent it out as its not a Whites coil range is it.

 

[Mega]

Have just been enlightened on what the state of play is with this very unusual Whites/Detech saga is

 

[cachefinder]

My email was from Whites Electronics as I am one of their Dealers.

 

[Monte]

As a White's Dealer, they did the courtesy of advising you of a Spring Promotion Preview in advance of the announced special to be out about April 20th. These announcements have often been a little tardy from White's in recent years and that has left some dealers frustrated because they had inventory in stock, including accessories like search coils, and the 'promotion' hurt or offended a number of dealers. At least they put out the heads-up in an e-mail late on the 23rd, but I don't really think they wanted it broadcast by a Dealer, preferring it to be times by a factory promoted method.

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I know that 2014 wasn't a great year for White's, and with the loss or change-over of the lead Engineer Manager and their CEO, and who knows how many others aren't there, I think they are trying to get their marketing and promotion ideas under better control and at least alerting Dealers in advance, as they should. But they are, in my opinion, making some mistakes.

Also will be able to purchase the 13" Ultimate coil as an accessory. Do not have any prices yet.

The prices were in your e-mail.

Will there be other Detech coils available for Whites users from White's?

I certainly hope NOT, and I feel that promoting an aftermarket search coil for their own upper-end models was almost a slap in their own face, suggesting that they can't build a quality Double-D coil to compete. That, I feel, was a mistake.

Have not heard anything but it would be nice if they would add other size Detech coils.

I whole heartedly disagree. Any detector manufacturer who has the financial ability to have a quality, skilled R&D engineering team to develop ANY detector for their line-up, should easily have the skills to make the best search coils to match the field performance achievable by their own metal detector. Go figure that if a detector maker produces a product and claims it is expressly engineered for a variety of metal detecting applications and is a superior design to provide top-end performance, they can't really hint to that ability unless they had the detector design coupled with search coils so that such claims would be achievable.

If anything, instead of selling their detectors AND coils from an aftermarket coil maker and infer the other guys have a better coil design, then they ought to just offer their MXT All-Pro or VX3 or V3i without a search coil at all [size=small](which would be a more attractive price and get more sales generated)[/size] because many active hobbyists would probably be more interested in these higher-priced models and would already have one or more search coils that work on theses models, or they could just buy the White's coil that they would prefer from the Dealer [size=small](I'd take the 9" spider and 6½" Concentric coils myself)[/size], or buy an aftermarket search coil of choice.

Looks like the New Whites Detectors at least are not coming out this Spring.

I guess not and that means they are falling [size=small](farther)[/size] behind the competitors. We saw some changes in the industry as a whole a number of years ago and, while the FBS units from Minelab might hold some interests, most of the real competition with modern digital design technology has been toward the lower to moderate-price range detectors.

To ME, the top all-purpose performer from White's is their MXT Pro, but it is time for them to step it up as Fisher, Garrett, Makro, Nokta and Teknetics all have competitive models in the $599 to $899 price range. White's needs some new detector design offerings AND their own, in-house search coils, not aftermarket offerings.

Just my views, now hat you opened the door with what they are planning to do for Spring..

Monte

 

[cachefinder]

As a Dealer I do my best to match the Metal Detector to what the customer wants, needs and with in their budget. The more
my customer feels that I have their best interest in mind when I suggest a certain model,
the more they may keep me as their Dealer. The sooner I know specials are coming the sooner I can bring the
information to my customer, so they will benefit from the info and can make a better decision on which
detector to purchase. If the customer is not pleased, they will not come back.

I have sold detectors in the past only to find out in 20 to 30 days they are a lower price or have extra
accessories. The customer will usually not fault the Factory but will think it was the dealer
getting rid of old stock when in fact I did not know the Specials were coming. Sorry if I offended anyone
with this announcement. As a dealer I want my customers to get the best detector and/or accessories
they need, even if I do not not sell the item.

As far a courtesy, it was in the company's best interest to let me know. Which I am surprised this time I received
the information before the Special started.

The Intent of this post was to let people know, so if more people know, then more sales could be made. Then the
customer would feel they made the right decision as they got more value for their money spent.

Spring is here lets go find Treasure! Be Blessed

 

[basstrackerman]

I new bad things were going on at whites.. Ive used them since 1978.. Have always owned one til last year...sold my last mxt... The mxt series was in my opinion the best detector whites made... I never used their coils. Hated most all of their coils.. With them losing people like engineers, ceo, other employees they are also losing customers...lifelong customers like me.. Other manufacturers are making some amazing machines... None of my buddies use whites anymore.. Too bad.. Its one thing that my buddies and i didnt like thier coils but now whites dont even like them... Maybe they need to lower price of mxtpro with 13" ultimate coil and wss sef 5x10 coil package for $599. dont matter because the racer just erased any need for the mxtpro anyway....

 

[OregonGregg]

I just got my Racer today, however, I have a MXT Pro and a M6 and they do a good job. I have a place in my heart for each machine and will keep them, they have done me well. As far as Whites coils I kinda agree and disagree ......I really do like the Eclipse 5.3 and the 9" spider coil. The D2 or the rest for that matter i never cared for. In iron dense areas I found to get better performance out of the Eclipse 5.3 over the 8 x 6 sef. But ya I kinda got the feeling over the last few years that Whites is kinda stumbling around . They made the MXT Pro into the MXT All Pro, by only putting a little "All" Sticker on the machine and putting the D2 coil on it. Not really the upgrades I was looking for. Other then that its the very same machine. Then they came out with the MX5, a good machine, but did not give you the ability to lock the GB, even though you can get that function on the lesser machine, the Coinmaster GT. Since you cannot lock the ground balance, the MX5 is ok for average changing ground that's not too trashy......having the lock function is good because in iron trash, with auto tracking you can actually track to the iron resulting in a improper ground balance for what would be proper for the area. I always hunt with the GB locked on my MXT Pro and M6.

But for Whites to come out and offer a aftermarket coil, since the cat is kinda outta the bag, there are several dealers in my area (Idaho/Oregon) and I did get to see the ad for the special that is coming out later and it states, " take your machine to the next level" and they offer the 13" Ultimate coil to do that.. Does that mean that they cannot produce a coil to get to the "next level" and what happens when the special is over, will I then only be able to buy a somewhat inferior machine, because they will not be offering the aftermarket coil any longer that according to the ad makes my machine better. What the heck, if they are going to offer competitor coils to make their machines get to the "next level", they should at least give you a choice. The Detech round 5" DD coil is very good for trashy sites, but I have no use for a 13" coil, regardless of who makes it.(but i mainly hunt iron infested ghost towns) Anyhow, can't really figure out what they are trying to achieve by doing this. And what I find ironic, if you go back and read a lot of old post, many people have said through the years to use the manufactures coils, they build the machines and you should use the manufacturer coils for best results. Now we have Whites jumping out and saying that to get to the "next level" we will offer a aftermarket coil to do just that. Geez now i'm getting confused to just what coils I should be hanging on the end of my machines.

 

[basstrackerman]

Im not confused....whites has never made a great coil, though the 9" spyder coil is better but i never use concentrics... Whites is telling us as consumers that if we buy their detectors we better buy this aftermarket coil in order to get the best results from it... I already did that..but dont own any whites machines now...several reasons i dont own whites is over priced, bad sales marketing, horrible forum moderator on whites forum, not allowed to say anything negative about a whites machine or he pm's you and says shut up..negative comments will actually help a company get better...i never understood theolslyidiot over there..their coils, weight, amount of batteries, v machines can burn through AA batteries is like 5 hours... Other than that i like em

 

[Wayfarer]

Assuming White's goes ahead with this special Detech coil deal, does anyone care to speculate why White's chose this particular aftermarket coil? Just looking through past posts about the 13" Ultimate and the 10x12 SEF, it seems like the reviews of the 13" Ultimate has been mixed. But the reviews of the 10x12 SEF mostly seem to be glowing. Why do you suppose they chose the 13" Ultimate over the 10x12 SEF? My guess is stability and depth at the cost of separation, but I haven't used the Ultimate. I have a 10x12 SEF on my MXT though and it's a great coil.

 

[vito]

Seems all coils, the ultimate and the sef, are detech coils.
May be they got a good deal on that. And what better could
happen than a detector manufacturer will ADD your aftermarket
to his range of products?!

Whites is telling us as consumers that if we buy their detectors we better buy this aftermarket coil in order to get the best results from it... I already did that..but dont own any whites machines now...several reasons i dont own whites is over priced, bad sales marketing, horrible forum moderator on whites forum, not allowed to say anything negative about a whites machine or he pm's you and says shut up..negative comments will actually help a company get better...i never understood theolslyidiot over there..their coils, weight, amount of batteries, v machines can burn through AA batteries is like 5 hours... Other than that i like em

Your da man, Bill.

 

[Mega]

I much prefer after market coil for my DFX,i do use Detech coils mainly the SEF range especially the smaller SEF8x6 for everyday use,the worst coil in my opinion that Whites made was the 1400DD it may have been good for specific site but the biggest killer was the weight.who ever designed that coil should be taken out and shot,it was a total disaster.

As other have mentioned Whites 'did' make some very good machines but in recent years seem to have lost the plot,other detector makers are certainly keeping sales high as they tend to produce detectors and coils that folks want to buy rather than try and sell them that folks dont want.I can see alot of consolidation of detector makers in the next 5 years,in that a few big companies will survive but in buying up established brand names from companies that are one there knees ort have even gone possibly bust.

You will then have just a few big players but with many of the older brand names under the same umbrella,its all ready started with First Texas,2 companies joining forces to produce the Racer,the BIG G who produce those yellow door bell machines they will still be a top player as well as the french XP concern and First Texas,those are red hot favourites to survive,the others anything could happen.

Of course i could well be wrong by a mile,but i personally dont think i am as the consolidation in the industry has all ready started.

 

[Wayfarer]

I for one am glad White's is thinking outside the box and has some fresh ideas, like offering aftermarket coils. I got sucked into the hype over at the White's forum until recently ("I only buy and recommend Whites OEM coils, they were designed to work the best on whites machines..." Blah, blah...). Total BS! I spent years wandering the desert with my White's coils based on this bad advice. The 6x10 DD White's coil isn't bad, though, I actually like it a lot, but it ain't the deepest.

I just went through extensive side by side testing of my CTX wit the stock coil and my MXT with the Detech 10x12 Sef, and the MXT was just as deep on coins as the CTX! Only out of desperation did I try the 10x12 sef on my MXT as one last try to see if it could get as deep as my CTX before relegating it to backup status only. I tried every coil whites makes for the MXT just about, the D2, both 950 concentric a, the 12" concentric, and none were as deep as the CTX with the stock 11" coil. I figured the Minelab guys were right and the CTX was just a deeper detector. One last try with my MXT with the detech before I was going to hang up the MXT, and Wow! The Detech was at least an inch deeper than any of the whites coils and had better separation to boot. It was now every bit as deep as the CTX and had better separation. It made all the difference on the MXT and transformed it into the detector I now reach for instead of my CTX! (I took a beating from the Minelab guys who I think banished me forever from their island when I posted about this over on the findmall metal detecting sub-forum )

Whites has a killer machine in the MXT, and turns out all it needs is a good coil and it hang with the best detectors out there. I regret not trying the Detech coils on my V3i and VX3 when I had them. Back then I was still struggling with the White's coils. I bet they would have done great with the Detechs just like on my MXT.

Had I not done a lot of comparison testing with the White's coils, the 10x12 sef, and the CTX, I might not ever have known how good a detector the MXT really is. All it took was a Detech coil and it transformed it into a detector as deep and as the CTX (in my mild iron mineralized soil, anyway).

My hats off to White's for taking this bold step and doing right by their customers. It took swallowing some pride on their part, but good on 'em! They are going to have a detector and coil combo on the market that can hang with the Minelabs for a third of the price. Who could argue with that.

 

[basstrackerman]

I posted on the whites forum about all of this info.. Was after this thread and many others were started on this and other forums..well the crybaby fox followers begged for a moderator to lock thread.. And they did ...lol. Whites obviously dont like any bad feedback.. Too bad as they may stay in last place with that way of thinking... S howard from the whites forum says whites is in the best position ever as a company.. My response , noone knows that! From the outside looking in whites looks in bad shape.. Unless your one of the brown nosers on whites forum as im sure all 5 of those forum members will buy whatever whites sells.

 

[pescadore]

I for one am glad White's is thinking outside the box and has some fresh ideas, like offering aftermarket coils. I got sucked into the hype over at the White's forum until recently ("I only buy and recommend Whites OEM coils, they were designed to work the best on whites machines..." Blah, blah...). Total BS! I spent years wandering the desert with my White's coils based on this bad advice. The 6x10 DD White's coil isn't bad, though, I actually like it a lot, but it ain't the deepest.

I just went through extensive side by side testing of my CTX wit the stock coil and my MXT with the Detech 10x12 Sef, and the MXT was just as deep on coins as the CTX! Only out of desperation did I try the 10x12 sef on my MXT as one last try to see if it could get as deep as my CTX before relegating it to backup status only. I tried every coil whites makes for the MXT just about, the D2, both 950 concentric a, the 12" concentric, and none were as deep as the CTX with the stock 11" coil. I figured the Minelab guys were right and the CTX was just a deeper detector. One last try with my MXT with the detech before I was going to hang up the MXT, and Wow! The Detech was at least an inch deeper than any of the whites coils and had better separation to boot. It was now every bit as deep as the CTX and had better separation. It made all the difference on the MXT and transformed it into the detector I now reach for instead of my CTX! (I took a beating from the Minelab guys who I think banished me forever from their island when I posted about this over on the findmall metal detecting sub-forum )

Whites has a killer machine in the MXT, and turns out all it needs is a good coil and it hang with the best detectors out there. I regret not trying the Detech coils on my V3i and VX3 when I had them. Back then I was still struggling with the White's coils. I bet they would have done great with the Detechs just like on my MXT.

+1 The MXT and the 10X12 SEF is a killer combo.

Had I not done a lot of comparison testing with the White's coils, the 10x12 sef, and the CTX, I might not ever have known how good a detector the MXT really is. All it took was a Detech coil and it transformed it into a detector as deep and as the CTX (in my mild iron mineralized soil, anyway).

My hats off to White's for taking this bold step and doing right by their customers. It took swallowing some pride on their part, but good on 'em! They are going to have a detector and coil combo on the market that can hang with the Minelabs for a third of the price. Who could argue with that.

 

[Fletch88]

I just wish the 10x12 SEF was available in black.

 

[andreak77]

As a Dealer the factory sent you that information as a courtesy - not as permission to announce it to the public for them. And if you are really a Dealer then you would also know that any advance information you receive on up coming specials is confidential.

.......I'll never understand why people simply cannot keep quiet.........

 

[andreak77]

As a Dealer I do my best to match the Metal Detector to what the customer wants, needs and with in their budget. The more
my customer feels that I have their best interest in mind when I suggest a certain model,
the more they may keep me as their Dealer. The sooner I know specials are coming the sooner I can bring the
information to my customer, so they will benefit from the info and can make a better decision on which
detector to purchase. If the customer is not pleased, they will not come back.

I have sold detectors in the past only to find out in 20 to 30 days they are a lower price or have extra
accessories. The customer will usually not fault the Factory but will think it was the dealer
getting rid of old stock when in fact I did not know the Specials were coming. Sorry if I offended anyone
with this announcement. As a dealer I want my customers to get the best detector and/or accessories
they need, even if I do not not sell the item.

As far a courtesy, it was in the company's best interest to let me know. Which I am surprised this time I received
the information before the Special started.

The Intent of this post was to let people know, so if more people know, then more sales could be made. Then the
customer would feel they made the right decision as they got more value for their money spent.

Spring is here lets go find Treasure! Be Blessed

What many people don't realize is that it has the opposite effect. You've effectively stopped sales of any of those units for about 3 weeks because now they will wait. A special is a special because it has a limited time frame and since you received the flyer then you should know that there is going to be an option for those that have already purchased.
It's a factory sponsored special - not yours so it's their decision on when it will run and when it will be announced to the customer.

 

[basstrackerman]

I actually dont understand why whites keeps quiet about everything... Alot of people dont think that works anymore...every manufacturer i know of gives little hints and peeks on what they are building.. All auto manufacturers, computers etc. Gets customers excited.. Whites is the only one that doesn't want their customers excited.. I know everyone here has seen commercials about new products and said wow i gotta have that!! Or an ad in your hunting magazine about a new product with a partial pic, a teaser pic...all other detector companies do it and that gets us excited... We as customers like that... Not the oh here is your new machine now that you have already bought another brand because noone knew you were even making a new machine. ... You see your kids eyes near christmas?? The tv is loaded with new goodies coming soon.. We as parents maybe not so much lol cause the christmas list gets longer. everyone knows it works great that way except whites.. Myself, im not holding back any money for a new whites machine.. Why? Because all of the other companies have won my interest..they have teased enough to earn my money.. Im not gonna wait around on a new detector that may never happen.. You should thank the dealer that let this out as he may be on to something that helps whites in the future...

 

[andreak77]

I actually dont understand why whites keeps quiet about everything... Alot of people dont think that works anymore...every manufacturer i know of gives little hints and peeks on what they are building.. All auto manufacturers, computers etc. Gets customers excited.. Whites is the only one that doesn't want their customers excited.. I know everyone here has seen commercials about new products and said wow i gotta have that!! Or an ad in your hunting magazine about a new product with a partial pic, a teaser pic...all other detector companies do it and that gets us excited... We as customers like that... Not the oh here is your new machine now that you have already bought another brand because noone knew you were even making a new machine. ... You see your kids eyes near christmas?? The tv is loaded with new goodies coming soon.. We as parents maybe not so much lol cause the christmas list gets longer. everyone knows it works great that way except whites.. Myself, im not holding back any money for a new whites machine.. Why? Because all of the other companies have won my interest..they have teased enough to earn my money.. Im not gonna wait around on a new detector that may never happen.. You should thank the dealer that let this out as he may be on to something that helps whites in the future...

What you don't realize is those ads and snippets that you see are planned weeks if not months in advance and may times the product has been tested and retested with most of the bugs worked out. All those toy commercials/ car commercials/ whatever the product you see - they are already built and on the floor ready to ship - not still in production being tested. When the ads are released the product is done and ready to go - they aren't little hints and peeks on what they are "building" - they are hints and peeks on what's already been built.