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Whites Spring Special Detech Ultimate13" Coil

Ive seen many guns, crossbows toys that were advertised but still in testing stages.. So your saying whites wont trust themselves enough once a new machine is thought about to ask opinions from possible buyers ? Or to finish a job?? Once its started and the concept has evolved why not share some?? Im just saying noone knows IF whited will even have another machine. They keep putting new stickers on old machines.. Lol. Ive been a whites customer for over 35 years and i may never buy another. Is that what whites wants?? Tired of stickers being stuck on old units to sell as different. Its ok keep it all a secret so noone ever knows.. And eventually wont care..
 
andreak77 said:
What you don't realize is those ads and snippets that you see are planned weeks if not months in advance and may times the product has been tested and retested with most of the bugs worked out. All those toy commercials/ car commercials/ whatever the product you see - they are already built and on the floor ready to ship - not still in production being tested. When the ads are released the product is done and ready to go - they aren't little hints and peeks on what they are "building" - they are hints and peeks on what's already been built.

If it's not done and you will NOT inform anyone about cuz it can fail, DON'T promote it.
Otherwise people think it is all right to tell a little, will not hurt anyone much but can rise selling; and MOST (me too) think they want some rumor.
Same was with the "Spectrum" some years ago. To bad it was trademarked, wasn't it? And from time to time whites spreads buzz using the dealers.
Some know and better shut up and some do not.
AND - there are always some dealer who think their customers will subscribe.

So, if whites don't want this they have to be quiet. -- But what if the detectorist will buy a new ... ... ... ahh - may be racer?? Many can spend money only once and then have to wait for fre$h.

THIS is all part of the business, so don't talk bees.

@ admin & moderators - sorry for this excess, but had to say this. Please feel free to delete this if it is not conform to your board rules.
@ cachefinder - sorry for hijacking.
 
Gregg exactly what im thinking.. Im putting in my racer order this week.. That company knows how to market their products ;)
 
I respect you guys, you've been around along time like I have, but I just have to stand up for White's on this one. I agree their marketing strategies have left something to be desired, but that's not what this thread is about. If a dealer doesn't like their marketing conditions, then don't be a dealer, but instead try to reason with them to get their policies changed.

I don't know what the legal "fine print" says, but I imagine it says dealers need to keep advance notice of specials confidential, for whatever reason White's thinks its a good idea. Many of your complaints of their marketing strategy are valid, but the dealers agreed to a certain set of conditions when they agreed to become dealers. If they didn't like those conditions, then they didn't have to be dealers.

Don't take away from them the credit they deserve for trying all they can to bring the best product to their customers, carrying the Detech coils which are the best coils (IMHO) at the moment for White's detectors, that's what this thread was about. White's did something very brave for the benefit of their customers: offer a non-White's coil line that has proven to be the best. It's open minded of White's to have even done this at all, instead of hiding behind the "company line" BS that we've seen too long from the White's yes-men (who will remain unnamed).

For whatever reason, the Detech coils are the best coils on the White's machines. So good, they put White's back in the running with the best detectors of the other brands. I've done the testing myself, and I'm sure White's has done it too, and the Detech coils are, at the moment anyway, the best coils available. White's should NOT be ashamed that with an aftermarket coil, their detectors are as good as any other detectors available today. I'm sure they are dissecting the various Detech coils right now so they can offer customers an "in-house" coil that matches their performance, but for now, they are offering customers what will give them the best performance.

Rather than nit-picking about their marketing policies, however valid those nit-picks are (and I tend to agree), we should be happy about White's decision to introduce aftermarket coils in their lineup in order to give their customers the best product available.

This thread has become a bash-fest of White's marketing strategy when we should be thankful that White's is once again showing that they care about their customers first and foremost.

Yes, I would love it if they updated the MXT to make it 1) give it a Spectorgraph-type readout a la the XLT/DFX/V3i, 2) able to be manually ground balanced for those nerds among us, and 3) lighter and more ergonomic - the MX5 is a good start but can't they put the MXT electronics into a Fisher GB Pro/Omega-type form factor? And 4) USB connectivity and custom programming modes that allow for customized tones and hunt modes. The basic platform of the MXT (and other models, but especially the MXT) is AWESOME. They just need to give it a serious refresh.

Don't we all love White's and want them to succeed? Instead of all these "they suck" type comments? I'm rooting big time for them. They have great products and great people, maybe struggling a little bit with marketing strategies and new product development. And no I don't work for them or even get their products for testing. Let's just try to give constructive criticism and stay on topic. I think their decision to offer Detech coils is great and shows their deep commitment to the customer.
 
Conspiracy theories can be humorous & entertaining, however, this one is silly.

Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, do not make tires for their cars. Although they do get involved in designing tires.

So, do they not know how to build a good tire?

Why are they helping design tires for the aftermarket tire companies?

If they are so bad at tires, "why are the aftermarket tire companies working with them and building their designs"?

Because for the most part (make them or not) it is insignificant to their real business, Cars & Trucks. No matter what tires they put on their Cars & Trucks they are not going to please even 50% of their customers with that choice. Those unhappy with the tires it came with simply go get the tires they personally prefer that better meets their terrain and driving style.

It really is not new nor any big deal (typical everyday business) and doesn't speak anything about the company nor their capabilities. Other than that they are willing to think outside the box.

Steve
 
Have looked at the Detech web site and you can see the coil that is offered.
I would like to have someone do a test for the coil on a Whites and give a comparison.
This for me would be a better aproach than do all of this bashing. :starwars:
 
OK, so the big day is here. I went to White's website and didn't see any mention of the Detech Spring Special, or any other Spring Special for that matter. Has anyone heard or seen anything?

I'm in the process of selling my CTX in anticipation of this Spring Special and now have some dry power to burn. Depending on the details of the special they announce, I'm seriously considering buying a new MXT-Pro. If they offer it with the Detech coil plus sweeten the deal with bonus bucks, I will probably pull the trigger.
 
I just went to Kellyco's website and they have the deal posted on their homepage. The particulars are: Free Ultimate 13" with the purchase of a V3i or VX3, and $99 extra with the MXT All-Pro and MXT.

After all that anticipation, that's just not quite good enough to get me to bite. I'm not really in the market for a V-series. And with the MXT series, that really just boils down to being able to get a $179 coil for $99. I could sell the D2 and make back the $99 plus a little extra to cover the shipping. They would have done better to offer the Ultimate as a straight across replacement option for the D2 and throw in $150-200 bonus bucks or at least another White's coil of your choice.

Well, at least we should start seeing a lot more field reports of the 13" Ultimate on the White's machines. For those of us who may still be interested in buying an Ultimate for the $179 from Kellyco, the extra field reports likely to start coming in will help us decide.
 
Wayfarer; From a long time former White's Dealer. Thank you for your "Right On" comments. I have, as a dealer delt with almost every Metal Detector Manufacturer in the USA and there is totally NONE that helps it's dealers suceed like White's does. Let me say, they all are very helpfull, but White's is definatelly a step above..
 
Wayfarer said:
I just went to Kellyco's website and they have the deal posted on their homepage. The particulars are: Free Ultimate 13" with the purchase of a V3i or VX3, and $99 extra with the MXT All-Pro and MXT.

After all that anticipation, that's just not quite good enough to get me to bite. I'm not really in the market for a V-series. And with the MXT series, that really just boils down to being able to get a $179 coil for $99. I could sell the D2 and make back the $99 plus a little extra to cover the shipping. They would have done better to offer the Ultimate as a straight across replacement option for the D2 and throw in $150-200 bonus bucks or at least another White's coil of your choice.

Well, at least we should start seeing a lot more field reports of the 13" Ultimate on the White's machines. For those of us who may still be interested in buying an Ultimate for the $179 from Kellyco, the extra field reports likely to start coming in will help us decide.
Just saw on FB where a Whites dealer is selling the coil for $139.
 
Steve Howard said:
Conspiracy theories can be humorous & entertaining, however, this one is silly.

Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, do not make tires for their cars. Although they do get involved in designing tires.

So, do they not know how to build a good tire?

Why are they helping design tires for the aftermarket tire companies?

If they are so bad at tires, "why are the aftermarket tire companies working with them and building their designs"?

Because for the most part (make them or not) it is insignificant to their real business, Cars & Trucks. No matter what tires they put on their Cars & Trucks they are not going to please even 50% of their customers with that choice. Those unhappy with the tires it came with simply go get the tires they personally prefer that better meets their terrain and driving style.

It really is not new nor any big deal (typical everyday business) and doesn't speak anything about the company nor their capabilities. Other than that they are willing to think outside the box.

Steve

Good point Steve. I don't understand all the bashing of Whites for offering a aftermarket coil. Companies partner with other companies all the time. I work for a well known big fortune 500 aviation company and we partner all the time with other companies. Its not because we can't do what the partner company does its just that the partner company may specialize in a particular area and is very good at what they bring to the table.
 
I think your missing the point.. The ones that are upset have used whites detectors for decades..been using whites coils on those machines...been told on whites forum for years to shut up about aftermarket coils.. Now all of the sudden whites says thanks for using our coils for (38 years for me) but in order to get the best results start using these new detech coils.. Now i have a problem with paying for high dollar whites detectors and thinking i have subpar coils on them.. I say to whites, stop making coils period and have aftermarket coils made and lower prices. Ive used aftermarket coils on all of my whites machines and did get better results than factory coils could offer.. Ive said that for years.. But i dont like paying for coils that whites says are not the best.. Drop the coils and lower prices .. Alot of people buy detectors and sell them a year later to try others, now his machine with stock coils may not be worth as much...just my thoughts. Dont mind me im just a long time whites user trying to understand this way of advertising is all
 
White's ad says to take your detector to the next level buy the 13" Ultimate coil. My take on it is the Ultimate coil is a bigger coil (13") than the stock coil which is 10" so the Ultimate coil should be deeper than the stock coil. Just because the Ultimate coil is bigger and there for deeper than the stock coil does not mean the stock coils are junk.

Detech makes some good coils. I own their 8X6 coil and it is a nice coil. Whites does not offer a coil as big (13") for the V3i/MXT series detectors and probably found it easier and more cost effective to offer the Detech coil over designing, building and warrantying there own coil which probably would not be much better than the Detech coil.

I guess I see no problem here.

Regards
 
Its good to have different opinions.. If whites machines were selling do you think this detech deal ever would have happened? I think not.. Whites has the big heavy 12" coil that they used on the mxt 300...i guess i will sit back and see how this plays out. I was hoping for new machines.. Im honestly tired of the new stickers they keep putting on old machines.. I wanna see new stickers on new machines.. Those seem to be coming from every other manufacturer except whites.. So,...................,...................... Yawn,..........................




quote=liondogs]
White's ad says to take your detector to the next level buy the 13" Ultimate coil. My take on it is the Ultimate coil is a bigger coil (13") than the stock coil which is 10" so the Ultimate coil should be deeper than the stock coil. Just because the Ultimate coil is bigger and there for deeper than the stock coil does not mean the stock coils are junk.

Detech makes some good coils. I own their 8X6 coil and it is a nice coil. Whites does not offer a coil as big (13") for the V3i/MXT series detectors and probably found it easier and more cost effective to offer the Detech coil over designing, building and warrantying there own coil which probably would not be much better than the Detech coil.

I guess I see no problem here.

Regards[/quote]
 
White's ad says to take your detector to the next level buy the 13" Ultimate coil. My take on it is the Ultimate coil is a bigger coil (13") than the stock coil which is 10" so the Ultimate coil should be deeper than the stock coil. Just because the Ultimate coil is bigger and there for deeper than the stock coil does not mean the stock coils are junk.

Exactly! Some people get it, some won't.
 
Southwind you dont get it?? Lol its not the coil size that bothers alot of people its just the way its being done.. Ive been detecting a long time and understand the depth/coil size concept .. Maybe whites can say ...take your detecting deeper with a ultimate coil.. And say whites is so confident in our coils that we have came together with detech to make a coil that will find those really deep targets missed by other detectors.. Our coils teamed up with detechs ultimate coil will leave nothing behind :)

Like when FT released F19... The ultimate relic detector!! Not use our detector and make it an ultimate relic hunter by buying an ultimate coil from detech ;)
 
I don't get the hoopla over the Detech 13" coil with Whites anyway. It's a DD coil, not an SEF. Whites makes great, large coils. IMO, Detech can supply Whites with a cheaper made coil than Whites can engineer and produce. Being there's been a managerial shakeup at Whites, I suspect this 13" DD coil is cost based. Nothing new in US marketing.

jm2c
 
No basstrackerman no one else is "bothered" at all but you. They were just stating the obvious that a 13" coil is, in most conditions, a deeper performing coil than a 10". Pretty basic really. So for White's to make such a statement makes perfect sense and nothing to do with saying they make poor coils.

I also have been using White's coils for near 40 years and still say they perform on par with the others manufacturers. I'm pretty confident if White's made a 13" DD coil it would be on par with the Ultimate.
 
Southwind (or anyone else), why do you think White's chose the 13" Ultimate instead of the 10x12 SEF? Do you think they tested them and found the Ultimate to be better/deeper?

I'm interested because I might just jump on this Special and buy a new MXT Pro. A couple months ago, I finally tried the 10x12 on my MXT and found that it's a great coil ... if the Ultimate can squeeze out even more performance, then I'm getting one.
 
Southwind (or anyone else), why do you think White's chose the 13" Ultimate instead of the 10x12 SEF? Do you think they tested them and found the Ultimate to be better/deeper?

My personal opinion is while the SEF 10x12 is a fine coil isn't as popular as the Ultimate 13. I have both I personally prefer the Ultimate 13.
 
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