Why Was The Vision Produced?

[reddirtfisher]

This is really eating at me guys..., sorry,... I just can't help it. I know we really can't "second guess" a company's decision but there is something about this whole "Vision" thing that does not make any sense. I don't ever remember anyone at any time on the Whites forum saying that they wanted a new machine like the "Vision". I DO REMEMBER many requests for an improved and updated XLT, IDX Pro, and XL Pro. So what happened? Could this just be Whites answer to Garrett's "Treasure Vision" detectors? And if so did Whites "overlook" customers requests just to keep up with the competition? And,...Oh yea,,, remember our bad economy? Why make a detector at this time that costs $1,700.00? I am not wanting to open up a can of worms here. Whites is my favorite company and always has been but these are legitimate questions that I would like clarifed if anyone has any information. It seems that the best detectors really kind of "peaked" in the 1990"s. That seems like the time when the best detectors were on the market. Maybe this is why the older detectors are selling like hotcakes on Ebay,... oh well....just a thought...what do I know...I've only been detecting for the last 20+ years.

 

[texastreasures]

There is a definitely a market for the Vision, and all early indications are that it will be a superb all around detector, great for coins, relics, prospecting, and all-around use.

This price point is tailored to "top-of-the-line", but I'm definitely considering an upgrade to the Vision from my White's M6, even though I love how the m6 performs.

Maybe the Vision can be considered the Lexus, and the other highe-end White's can be compared to the Toyota line. What I want to find out is how the Vision will perform, on average, vs comparably priced detectors from other manufacturers, when all factors are kept equal (such as depth, soil moisture, etc).

I realize averaging out all of the environmental factors (including user experience) takes longer than a week of tinkering and learning, so short-term field experience is certainly non-scientific and even anecdotal. Still, I'd love to hear the experiences of individuals who have played with the vision a bit. For instance, if someone is pulling barber dimes out of 11" holes with solid audio response, that tells me the Vision is doing things that less expensive detectors usually can't. Even if peoples' stories are non representative of everyone's experience, most of us can piece together these stories into an overall conclusion of whether this is the type of machine I want to invest my money and time in.

 

[B.T]

Wow, if thats what is eating you, "why did they make this machine" then mate, you really need to get out more often.
Why too indeed did Ford make a new model car, or Nikon a new camera, or Penn a new reel, or Microsoft a new program or...........
Ok, the answer.... so you can see.

 

[gmanlight]

Why do thy make 45,000 pickup trucks when a 1000.00 one would work for me

 

[steve herschbach]

Hi,

This is what I've been wanting, and they were kind enough to make it for me.

But I hear you. I still think phones should be attached to a wall. Keep them away from me. Time marches on.

Steve Herschbach

 

[Ray-Mo.]

Quote It seems that the best detectors really kind of "peaked" in the 1990"s.
Where have you been the last 10 years?

 

[ohio fred]

n/t

 

[Jason in TN]

n/t

 

[Idaho-Marke]

n/t

 

[Carl-NC]

One reason is to push the envelope of detecting technology. How many times have I heard that detector companies are just rehashing the same ol' designs with new paint jobs? V is clearly not that. And, yes, people have been asking for color display, wireless headphones, and better target ID.

I agree, it is an expensive detector in a bad economy. Can't control that, it was ready when it was ready. BTW, as I've posted elsewhere, $1500 for a 2009 detector is the same as a $240 detector in 1969* per inflation, which is pretty much what the top model cost back then. Yes, I know, other electronics have gotten cheaper, but they operate on an entirely different scale than hobby detectors, plus they're not Made in the USA.

- Carl

* $275 with wireless headphones

 

[Wayfarer]

Hopefully, this is the flagship model of a whole new line of specialty and/or less expensive models that will be gradually replaced. Maybe a single freq "XLT replacement," turn-on and go models to replace M6 and high-end Prisms, and finally a 22.5-only gold machine, all with the new Vision analyze system, which is awesome, and the other advancements like color screen and interface.

 

[CROCK of COINS]

Because they needed something better than the "DFX300" :-|

Jerry

 

[Electro]

Because Wave form analysis is a very powerful tool! In recording the many different signals on Excalibur I could see the waveforms on my ProTools software in addition to hearing the signals. I remember thinking, "if someone ever made a metal detector that visually displayed the waveforms and coupled this with tone ID it could be a very powerful tool. The Vision does this with 3 different frequencies. I am going to runs some tests with Classic vs Anomaly gold to look at the nuances of how the frequencies stack.

Its the difference between listening to a heartbeat with a stethoscope and seeing the ECG. If the Vision lives up to its potential we might have been promoted from Primary Care General Medicine to Cardiac Specialists! I believe this will be a real change in the future of metal detectors.

 

[tab-nabit]

For those who got tax returns
Any those who have credit cards that didn't get a tax return :veryangry:

I see it as advancing electronic technology to a hobby that brings in a niche for those who desire it. More offerings for a variety of folks.

 

[Steve1825]

Your forgetting manufacturing timetables. Design, test redesign, more tests, processor hardware upgrading faster than you can redesign for it. The more visual info you can get is a tool for you to use to sift out the good from the bad. If you don't want to use these tools, go back to a BFO and dig everything. This started years ago and just now the Vision is here for us to enjoy. Thank you White's.

 

[Southwind]

I will say detector technology made a big jump in the 1990's but they have been improving on that technology ever since.

 

[Eu_citzen]

I don't ever remember anyone at any time on the Whites forum saying that they wanted a new machine like the "Vision". I DO REMEMBER many requests for an improved and updated XLT, IDX Pro, and XL Pro. So what happened?

Hey there have been multiple topics in what we'd like to see in a new machine, be it a new DFX or not. We got some of them I wanted here.
And from what I've read, I'd rather have the Vision then a updated DFX. (for example)

Could this just be Whites answer to Garrett's "Treasure Vision" detectors?

Don't think so. I don't think they view Garrett as serious competition, as Garrett is out-of-date.

And if so did Whites "overlook" customers requests just to keep up with the competition?

No they didn't, why else would we have engineers and such on the forum if not to listen to the costumers?

And,...Oh yea,,, remember our bad economy? Why make a detector at this time that costs $1,700.00?

As someone said, top-of-the-line, and as it is so..ehh...well advanced (feature wise) there sure is a market for it.

 

[usmcgrunt]

sorry but its not a great machine for relics,,,,,,,,people surgar coat this site,,,,,,my buddy here in tenn. that spent the big bucks for the machine two weeks ago,,,,well we relic hunted saturday and sunday,,,,,guess what his 1700 dollar machine stayed home,,,,,,,he hunted with a beat up 1266 for the past two days,,,,no depth on deep bullets,,,,pinpoints fine if you are digging a trash can lid,,,,,,,,big let down in my opinion,,,,i always think the xlt was the best machine ever made,,,,,dfx not impressed again,,,ask joe who hunts rolla, mo,,,,,,this vision,,,,,,,you can call this thing an edsel,,,,,

 

[Southwind]

Well some people have problems with the automatic can opener and will swear the old manual opener was better. For them it is.

The thing about opinions is they are fueled by personal preference. Take the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's. Yes that 3,200 pound 370 horse 40 year old car was great for it's time, but as far as muscle goes, there is no comparison to todays 2,500 pound 585 horse car. I will say they can't produce the feel of the old manual steering manual brake classic, but then that again is personal preference. Not everyone wants a car with no power steering or brakes. I saw the comment about detectors having "peaked" in the 90's. This is no more true than saying muscle cars peaked in the 70's. That 70's muscle, while nostalgic, couldn't hold a candle to todays muscle when it comes to performance. And after all, isn't that what muscle is all about?

Detectors are no different. In the 90's the White's Eagle Spectrum was an exceptional machine that stood out from the rest. From the very first day I used it, it made my detector of 5 years look like a toy. I knew how to use my old detector very very well, so to have a brand new detector so clearly out perform my old faithful, I had no choice but to realize advancement in technology made the difference. Since that time I've always looked at the technological advancements to determine if it was in my best interests to upgrade.

I tried the XLT, which is a fine detector, after 14 years with my Eagle and felt the only difference was the XLT was lighter. After 2 years with the XLT I bought a DFX and knew this detector was without a doubt an improvement. I've had my DFX for 6 years now and it continues to prove better technology works. I can still pull old coins from the locations both my Eagle and XLT had quit producing from. I believe the Vision will prove itself to be a technical advancement over the DFX, now it will be a matter of personal preference if its enough to justify your purchase.

 

[coinnut]

You must be an electronics genius. Two weeks with a machine that a "Friend" was using and you say it's an Edsel?? You make me laugh. It's comments like that which add nothing to forums. You haven't even tried one yourself and you dismiss it. Tell your buddy to sell it for a hundred dollars before it becomes worthless. And as for the DFX? It's is and always was a great machine. It performs for me and has found me many colonial coins and items. Maybe you just never gave that one a fair shake either. Oh and before you blow a gasket, remember other people's opinions and comments are just as important as yours are. Good luck to you and stick to your XLT, which by the way is also a great machine.