wot

[plymouthian12]

wondering what the excal guys and gals think about the 15" wot coil for the water

 

[Critterhunter]

Ask Kered, and then place your order on KellyCo for a SEF 15x12 or a 12x10. I'd really like to see some people with the Excelerator 12.5" and 14" round coils give some field reports on them in comparison to the stock 10" coil and the Sun Ray S-12. You hear almost nill in terms of these coils. The way I understand it when they first came out they weren't all that good, but these latest versions over the last few years or so are much better coils. From what I hear the new 12.5" is about as good as the S-12. I'd really like to see the 14" compared to the WOT, because they are both conventional round DD coils. I believe the WOT is 14.25" in diameter. No idea if the 14" Excelerator is true to it's size or slightly bigger or smaller. It seems like when somebody buys the round Excelerators they must get sucked into a black hole created by the magnetic field of these coils, because I have yet anywhere on the web (besides on Kellyco, and even that isn't much) see anybody give any kind of opinion on these coils. As things go not only do I want to one day add the 15x12 back to my line up, but I'd also like to get my hands on the S-12 and the 12.5" and 14" Excelerators. There might be odd situations where I'd want to use those coils, and who knows, they might do one heck of a job in certain situations compared to the SEF coils. Like say in low minerals where the the thinner detection field of the SEF doesn't give it any more advantage at ignoring the ground matrix and picking the coins out from depth. Even the S-12 is somewhat obscure in it's field reports, but I'd say it has more for it and they are generaly positive. Many claim better depths than the stock 10" coil, and of course many people love them on their Excals or at the beach for the coverage. They are the lightest Sovereign coils made in that size range, even lighter than the stock 10" coil, but I believe my 12x10 with no coil cover may be very close to it in weight. Just have to get around to weighing it.

 

[Critterhunter]

Seriously, it may be that the WOT is less drag in the water than the 15x12 and so be better suited for water hunting. I know that's why a lot of people like the S-12 on Excals in the water. Hardly any drag, probably not any more than the stock 10" coil. I've used the 15x12 in the water and while it was fine, it did have more drag than I like, so I prefer the 10" Tornado for water hunting. Haven't tried my 12x10 in the water yet, but I bet it's just as easy to cut through the water with as the S-12. The WOT or the Excelerator 12.5" or 14" coils, just like the S-12, might prove the best "format" to use in the water in terms of bigger coils without creating a ton of drag. The 15x12 wore my arm out faster than the 10" coil in the water, but boy on the beach there ain't nothing deeper!

 

[erikk]

Want a WOT field report: 26 gold, 2 plat 3 diamond, several watches, 14k bracelets, ear rings (10 & 14K) buckets of clad & over 50 assorted silver, Stainless, TC & Titanium rings. some holes I dig would scare U not to mention the fringe side signals making the coil even larger (I only do in the water) & it has been a very slow year BUT IMHO go with the SEF

 

[Critterhunter]

What he said, because I bet you can tripple it with a 15x12. I'll just stick up a small smiley face here. It may be small, but it's potent.

 

[erikk]

Think so-go for it

 

[Critterhunter]

Can't argue with results. I'm sure it's a great coil, when you don't have anything else to compare it to. No really, it's a legend and has been for years. And I do mean years and years, like from back in the day when they invented the steam engine.

 

[erikk]

It is all in the way U hunt. I am 70, hunt 4-6 hours 4-6 days a week x 365. U don't swing it in the water U just kind of roll along letting the motion of the waves help U. With the straight shaft I can get 8 feet + each pass.
Also it isn't speed that gets the targets it is coverage AND that is enough typing 4 me!

 

[OldBeechnut]

Erikk your 70, you are the Pirate! {Man} ...what a life!..................MT Pockets uses the WOT also...I'm not much for the Big coils, because of the ruff surf..but they do cover the area, and in the calm waters, or on the wet sand...they are killers..........No matter what kind

 

[erikk]

Can't argue with results. I'm sure it's a great coil, when you don't have anything else to compare it to. No really, it's a legend and has been for years. And I do mean years and years, like from back in the day when they invented the steam engine.

Well that is about how long I have been using it Also have one on my Explorer 2 along with the Sun-Ray 12" When I am in the water bigger is better 4 me and I don't need to dig any deeper than I can get with the WOT I might go for the SEF 15 x 18 but there is no way I am going to spend over $700.00 to gain a couple of inches and above all if U don't have the luck going 4 U that day it really doesn't matter what coil U R using

 

[synthnut]

Erikk,
So you like the WOT coil over the Sunray S-12 for the water ? ......Thanks, Jim

 

[Critterhunter]

I remember back in the day drooling over the WOT and it's reports of greater depths or getting coins on edge or in iron. I remember reading about a guy using an Explorer who said at a deep coin spot that most people thought was dead in terms of more finds. He found the WOT gave him that little more needed target picture and started to bring coins back into the proper ID, where as they would be deluded into the iron range due to the ground content with smaller coils. He said that some of these coins on the WOT would still show a good bit of ferrous in terms of numbers, but that was due to the amount of microscopic iron in the soil that the coins at fringe depth were being washed in.

Much of what I've read about the 15x12 in comparison to it has found me seeing that most who have used both of these coils prefer the 15x12. Better pinpointing, better separation, less noisy and more stable, improved sensitivity to small targets, and yes even greater depths. Just like the WOT, the SEF coils also have a reputation for finding coins on edge or in iron, and the smoothness of the SEF coils in heavy minerals or iron is an improvement from what I've read. However, I think for good reason there are a lot of WOT coils being used in the water. I bet they are less drag than the 15x12 in that respect when cutting through the water. That's also why I believe the S-12 is so popular among water hunters. The shape and extra coil webbing of the SEF coils creates more drag in the water, but I am anxious to try my 12x10 in the water and see if it has any more drag than my stock 10" coil. The 15x12 is usable in the water, it's just that I tend to swing slightly faster than most Sovereign users and that extra drag then wore on my arm more.

Either way, I don't mean to knock the WOT because it has a long well earned reputation among Minelab users, both on the Explorer and the Sovereign. Still, that doesn't mean it's the end all and be all in coil technology. Technology keeps advancing, and I feel these SEF coils are a solid improvement over conventional DD designs.

 

[kered]

Correction Critterhunter, i'm using the Wot 15" over the 12x10 as i don't have the 15x12 at mo, so you have my order of preference, the Wot 15 is still a good coil (for all its old, way ahead of time its time compared to minelab)and i would say better than the 12x10 here, only the 15x12 pips it. i'm sure that 12x10 will end up on my excalibur 2 eventually .

Ask Kered, and then place your order on KellyCo for a SEF 15x12 or a 12x10. I'd really like to see some people with the Excelerator 12.5" and 14" round coils give some field reports on them in comparison to the stock 10" coil and the Sun Ray S-12. You hear almost nill in terms of these coils. The way I understand it when they first came out they weren't all that good, but these latest versions over the last few years or so are much better coils. From what I hear the new 12.5" is about as good as the S-12. I'd really like to see the 14" compared to the WOT, because they are both conventional round DD coils. I believe the WOT is 14.25" in diameter. No idea if the 14" Excelerator is true to it's size or slightly bigger or smaller. It seems like when somebody buys the round Excelerators they must get sucked into a black hole created by the magnetic field of these coils, because I have yet anywhere on the web (besides on Kellyco, and even that isn't much) see anybody give any kind of opinion on these coils. As things go not only do I want to one day add the 15x12 back to my line up, but I'd also like to get my hands on the S-12 and the 12.5" and 14" Excelerators. There might be odd situations where I'd want to use those coils, and who knows, they might do one heck of a job in certain situations compared to the SEF coils. Like say in low minerals where the the thinner detection field of the SEF doesn't give it any more advantage at ignoring the ground matrix and picking the coins out from depth. Even the S-12 is somewhat obscure in it's field reports, but I'd say it has more for it and they are generaly positive. Many claim better depths than the stock 10" coil, and of course many people love them on their Excals or at the beach for the coverage. They are the lightest Sovereign coils made in that size range, even lighter than the stock 10" coil, but I believe my 12x10 with no coil cover may be very close to it in weight. Just have to get around to weighing it.

 

[Critterhunter]

And would I be wrong to qualify that statement by saying that your are primarily refering to beach hunting? I can see why you would prefer the WOT over the 12x10 in terms of maximum coverage in that case. If I was mainly a beach hunter I wouldn't have traded my 15x12 for the 12x10. In that case I want max coverage, and as I said the 15x12 gave me greater depths than the stock 10" coil on the beach where as the 15x12 didn't go as deep on land for me as the stock coil in my high mineral land sites. Still, that's why I don't use the 10" coil for anything but water hunting anymore. I don't like how small the coverage is now on land compared to the 15x12 or now my 12x10. Regardless of all that, the 12x10 is for sure giving me the feel of better coverage than the stock coil, so I'm sure I'll be quite happy with it on the beach as well as being better suited than the 15x12 for my land hunts. Only time will tell if the 12x10 does indeed get deeper than the stock coil on land for me due to my minerals, but I'll already bet it's deeper than the stock coil at the beach when I think of how well the 15x12 did there. I'm planning on testing that theory tomorrow morning.

 

[JHM]

I can't give an opinion for the beach but I had a wot and really liked it on my Sovereign. I don't live close to a beach but on land it was deeper than the stock 10 inch coil and the S-12 I had. It seemed the wot was geared toward the faint signal. In other words the classic head banging clear signal would play out about as quick as it would with the stock coil. But the faint signals seemed to go real deep and could be worked up with repeated sweeps to a good tone. I sold it due to the weight and the fact that it was useless in thick cover. The S-12 didn't seem a deep as the stock coil to me but it may be my ground. I haven't tried an SEF coil yet but would like to give the 10 by 12 a try.

 

[erikk]

Haven't used the Sun Ray 12 in the water I bought it for my Explorer 2 because the WOT was outlawed in the comp hunts that I was attending at the time (dirt) 2 of my excals have WOT's on them and as soon as the warranty expires on my excal 2 it will wear one as well.

 

[element]

The wot is always gonna be a fan because of the open design. The SEF is cluttered and I image you would notice the difference between say a 10x12SEF and a Excellerator 12 / Sunray S12.. A 15inch wot is on my list of "coils I must own" though but any large coil is gonna have problems on highly mineralized ground as you know. They have their places.. in the water a 15x12 SEF or 15 wot is gonna be OTT for surf work and you dont need that much depth as you prob wont be able to scoop the targets out anyway? diggin 15inch+ on wet sand is bad enough!!.. 10inch is perfect for the surf. most dont go past 12inch.. on the wet sand the 15x12 SEF and the wots will be in there elements there but only if the ground will let you run it high enough.

Think about a small 5inch coil and you know how well they work in bad ground. on the beach you are trying to get the best balance between depth and coverage. the ground you detect determins what coil will work best.

This is why I think my excellerator isnt much better than my 10inch bbs... it seems my ground is bad enough that I am not benefiting from the extra depth my excellerator is offering

 

[Critterhunter]

If that Excelerator is the old version then that explains it. From what little I've heard the latest one being made in that size ( 12.5") that matches the S-12 is just as good, though like I said I haven't heard really much at all on any of those coils. Yes, the webbing of the 15x12 created more drag for me in the water than I care for at the rate I like to sweep. That's why the WOT, S-12, 12.5" Excelerator, 14" Excelerator, or perhaps the 12x10 would be a better choice in the water. They also make a 16" Excelerator but from what I hear that's past the point of good sensitivity to coin/ring sized targets. I'd really like to see some head to head S-12/12" Excelerator comparisons, as well as the 14" Excelerator to the WOT. I believe the older round Excelerators might not have had a pre-amp in the RX portion of the coil. No real proof of that other than a blurb I read about some older aftermarket coils not having one, and that means it's either going to be those or the first WOTs because I think that's pretty much all that was out there back in the day.

I just noticed your signature file. I believe (could be wrong) that the "Penetrator" is what they called those first round coils. Now they are just called Excelerators or perhaps EQ2 or some other odd name in notation. I think I also heard somewhere (probably in the beach forum) a while back that the old Excelerators were much too hot in mineralized ground, but that had been corrected with the new ones. I wish somebody with more info in all these respects would set the record straight. As I said, anybody who owns one of these newer coils seems to fall off the face of the earth.

 

[kered]

yes Beach hunting

 

[synthnut]

I've never hunted the surf ......I've always wanted to try it out .....When running the trough and a bit further out , what kind of depths are you guys going down to when trying to retrieve targets ? .....I'm sure that it varies , but give me a DEEP example of something that you would try to retrieve on avererage ? ......I''m questioning a couple of things ....First ...Do you really need to go that deep ? ........Second ...As slow as you are moving in the water , do you really need THAT big of a coil ? ..... I couldn't really picture surf hunting with a coil any bigger than about 12 inches or so without busting my butt !!....... Any good 12 inch coil that is worth it's salt ( a lttle play on words ) I would think would be more than deep enough for this kind of surf detecting wouldn't it ? ..... Teach me something boys !!........Thanks, Jim