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x terra 705 vs ATP??
- Thread starter kgramlich
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surfchunker
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unless you are hunting underwater there is no compairsion ... the 705 does tons of things the ATP can only dream about ...
team sidewinder
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Go with the 705. You won't be sorry.
The 705 does cost a bit more, and if you add a few coils the cost factor does go up some. Thing is....they aren't even in the same class as an ATP. The Xterra is the only machine available that is as digital, which allows for more overall flexibility than any other on the market.
And that's not even mentioning the fact that a certain amount of what you pay for with an ATP is it being waterproof. Subtract the cost of doing that, and you'll have a much better idea of how much actual detector you're getting for your money.
If playing in the water or making a muddy mess digging in the rain appeals to you, and you can have only one detector, the ATP might be right up your ally. Personally, I prefer to have a good dedicated water machine (which can take submersion that would crush an ATP) and a superior land machine (with an enviro cover on it).
And that's not even mentioning the fact that a certain amount of what you pay for with an ATP is it being waterproof. Subtract the cost of doing that, and you'll have a much better idea of how much actual detector you're getting for your money.
If playing in the water or making a muddy mess digging in the rain appeals to you, and you can have only one detector, the ATP might be right up your ally. Personally, I prefer to have a good dedicated water machine (which can take submersion that would crush an ATP) and a superior land machine (with an enviro cover on it).
Tired Rooster
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Aside form being "water proof", the 705 is by far a superior machine to the AT Pro. If the ability to detect in water is an over riding factor to you, then the AT may be the better choice. However, if this is not the case, the 705 is kinda at the pinnacle of VLF technology and you would not be disappointed with the performance of the 705. Awesome detector!!!!!
Having both I can say each has attributes I really like.
Initially the ATP seemed easier to learn and was
more fun for the surf/wet sand hunting I do.
If you can, try both before buying. Remember, the hobby is supposed to be fun!
Yes, the Xterra is a 'better' machine, but that is meaningless if it is not to your liking or 'better' for you, as stated above in this thread. You can't go wrong with either one and you won't be out much if you don't care for it as the resale values are decent on both.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Initially the ATP seemed easier to learn and was
more fun for the surf/wet sand hunting I do.
If you can, try both before buying. Remember, the hobby is supposed to be fun!
Yes, the Xterra is a 'better' machine, but that is meaningless if it is not to your liking or 'better' for you, as stated above in this thread. You can't go wrong with either one and you won't be out much if you don't care for it as the resale values are decent on both.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Southwind
Well-known member
Ask this in the Garrett ATP forum and you'll probably get just the opposite answers LOL.
As an unbiased opinion of someone who has owned both I'd say the 705 is a little better for about another $150 more. It has more target ID segments and tones. Other than that I feel they both are about the same performance wise. I do like the DD coil of the ATP over the concentric on the 705.
As an unbiased opinion of someone who has owned both I'd say the 705 is a little better for about another $150 more. It has more target ID segments and tones. Other than that I feel they both are about the same performance wise. I do like the DD coil of the ATP over the concentric on the 705.
So you think that those are the only differences???Southwind said:
Let's see....
The 705 has Auto/Manual GB, GB Tracking, GB Tracking Offset, Auto/Manual Noise Cancel, TID Stability, Two Pinpoint Modes (Pinpoint ID & Pinpoint Sizing), user adjustable Threshold, true All Metal Mode (not just zero disc), Beach Mode, Prospector Mode w/Iron Mask, a back light, choice of 1,2,3,4, or 28 tones, and the ability to run 3kHz, 7.5kHz, or 18.75kHz by selecting from 12 available coils sized 6"-15". Oh! And an adjustable arm cup!
How's that for starters?
Again IMO, anyone that doesn't detect full time can't possibly "master" a 705 even in over a year. There are so many setup variations, and so much difference between them, that after several years of use I'm still learning what all it is capable of and where/how each benefit me.
surfchunker
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but it can be a fairly simple machine to use also with just 3 steps to set it up, then as you learn it then it's time to start playing with it to tweak it
Dirt Hound
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Don't let the difference in waterproofness be the deciding factor here... unless you truly plan on spending a lot of time in the water, go with the 705. I've spent countless hours in torrential downpours with my 705 with the enviro cover on... even with the non-waterproof "water resistant" coils... and not once worried about it in the slightest. No problems whatsoever. If you are buying it as a land machine, the 705 is the obvious choice... though I'd recommend upgrading to the 10.5" DD, so it WILL end up costing a bit more... but you are getting a MUCH better machine. IMO the ATP is little more than a waterproof Ace 350... but ya... if you plan on spending most of your time IN the water, then by all means, go with the ATP.
Absolutely!surfchunker said:
Turn it on, auto Noise Cancel, auto GB, and start swinging.
I can hand my 705 to a total newb, and with about 5min of basic instruction know that they are going to soon locate their first good finds. It truly is a machine to grow with, that can be as easy or complicated as the user wishes.
surfchunker
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and GB Tracking. it's a machine that you can use and be thrilled with for many years
Dirt Hound
New member
With every other machine I've had... I've felt the need to upgrade after a fairly short period. I've never once felt that with the 705... I like it so much that I'm sure it will be my go-to machine for years to come. Lightweight and highly capable... I hunt side by side with a guy that swings a CTX3030 and I easily hold my own in the finds department. IMHO, it's the pound for pound best machine on the market.
Southwind
Well-known member
So, why is it when comparing say the 705 to the high end machines all those features are just "bells & whistles" but now they are valuable assets? LOL.
If you noticed I said the 705 was the better machine. As far as performance goes, which is what I commented on, they are very close. I could have gone on and also pointed out that the ATP simply puts the 705 to shame on gold, but the OP asked about coins. That and I never owned the 17 KHZ coil on my X70 but I wasn't impressed with its gold ability of what I had and have never heard anyone calling it a great gold machine.
Dirt Hound
New member
Even with the stock (7.5") setup vs the ATP, the difference in frequency should have the 705 as the better coin machine, that is... for copper and silver, perhaps not clad. For gold, ya perhaps the ATP has an edge against the stock coil, but not against the Gold Package with the 18.75khz elliptical coil. At that point, you are comparing a dedicated prospecting machine to the ATP, and there really is no comparison. In terms of versatility, 705 wins hands down... not even close.
Your mention of "bell & whistles" is the only one I've seen. To me, all of those things are tools that you can take advantage of or not as you see fit. And as far as I'm concerned, the only "bells & whistles" features on any Minelab (or any other truly high end machine) is the GPS on the CTX. The wireless feature on the CTX and the Deus could be considered not necessary, but at least they serve a constantly useful purpose, which is basically the same reason that I went wireless with my machines a few years ago.Southwind said:
Yes, I did notice that you said it was a better machine. But I have to once again disagree with performance being similar. I can take you to sites where the ground is so hot that an ATP is useless, but I can hunt the same site with my 705. I also have hunted directly behind an ATP and easily found several pieces of copper and silver that the ATP missed (really ticked off the ATP user too). I don't prospect, but I do keep a vial of flakes and pickers for test purposes, and I'd be willing to stack a 6" 18.75kHz coil on a 705 in Prospecting Mode up against an ATP or AT Gold any day on tiny gold. If prospecting was my main game would I buy a 705? NO, but I can assure you I wouldn't pick an ATP or AT Gold either.Southwind said:
IMO, and this isn't a slam, but looking at the list of machines in your sigline I find it hard to believe that you could have had many of them long enough to have adequately learned them. It takes literally hundreds if not thousands of hours to learn just one or two, much less the 17 that you have listed, several of which haven't even been available long enough to truly learn even if you detected full time. I'm not a slow learner, and I have a couple thousand hours on my 705 (which by the way isn't my only machine), and I still experiment with different combinations of setups & tweaks to enhance my hunts far beyond what I learned the first year or two.
Get them both, and sell the one you don't find yourself taking out as much. LOL. I have both, and enjoy using both, so I won't be selling either of mine. I can say that I take the XTERRA out far more than the AT PRO though.
As far as water hunting goes, I wanted to like the pro, but I guess I got spoiled by the XCAL. I couldn't stand all the extra sounds the pro would make in areas that the XCAL was silent.
I like the pro for rainy days more than anything. The Pro does do well in the nickle range, and does hold very consistent on it's TDI numbers. It also has a pretty quick recovery speed from one target to the next.(especially with the 5x8 DD)
I would say the 705 is definitely a NICKLE KILLER with the HF coils. I was amazed at how many nickles I was missing with my reg. 10.5 MF. I use the 5x10 HF for tot lots and newer coin hunting, because it is light, it covers ground more quickly than the 6", and it will do an adequate job of finding clad that is not deeply buried. The 5x10 is very good with jewelry also.
The 705 will also beat the Pro in recovery speed.
Hope this helps!
As far as water hunting goes, I wanted to like the pro, but I guess I got spoiled by the XCAL. I couldn't stand all the extra sounds the pro would make in areas that the XCAL was silent.
I like the pro for rainy days more than anything. The Pro does do well in the nickle range, and does hold very consistent on it's TDI numbers. It also has a pretty quick recovery speed from one target to the next.(especially with the 5x8 DD)
I would say the 705 is definitely a NICKLE KILLER with the HF coils. I was amazed at how many nickles I was missing with my reg. 10.5 MF. I use the 5x10 HF for tot lots and newer coin hunting, because it is light, it covers ground more quickly than the 6", and it will do an adequate job of finding clad that is not deeply buried. The 5x10 is very good with jewelry also.
The 705 will also beat the Pro in recovery speed.
Hope this helps!
Then get the 705. It does have more versatility other than being able to go underwater. The stock coil is a good starting point for coin hunting. Having a 705 with all types of coil options, the Coiltek 6 inch 'Digger' coil is tops in my opinion. I can't say enough good things about that coil.
Save up for the 6 inch Coiltek 'Digger' coil and you will be all set for coin hunting in all types of areas and conditions ( other than open fields and pastures where a bigger coil is necessary for more coverage). Then, when you want to venture into getting an edge for gold jewelry hunting, get the 6 inch HF Minelab DD. I have used both the 6 inch and 5x10 and although the 5x10 has more coverage, I found in the areas/parks/dry sand I hunted, the 6 inch DD was deeper and more sensitive on lower conductive targets. Better ID too. Plus it's waterproof.
Stock MF coil, 6 inch LF Digger, 6 inch HF DD are the only 3 coils you will need for most if not all of your coin hunting ventures.
Just my opinion.
Save up for the 6 inch Coiltek 'Digger' coil and you will be all set for coin hunting in all types of areas and conditions ( other than open fields and pastures where a bigger coil is necessary for more coverage). Then, when you want to venture into getting an edge for gold jewelry hunting, get the 6 inch HF Minelab DD. I have used both the 6 inch and 5x10 and although the 5x10 has more coverage, I found in the areas/parks/dry sand I hunted, the 6 inch DD was deeper and more sensitive on lower conductive targets. Better ID too. Plus it's waterproof.
Stock MF coil, 6 inch LF Digger, 6 inch HF DD are the only 3 coils you will need for most if not all of your coin hunting ventures.
Just my opinion.