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x terra705 vs ATPro??
- Thread starter kgramlich
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I've seen videos of some great finds with an ATpro. But, I've also read posts where folks say they aren't all their cracked up to be. I would like to try one sometime.
In over 40 years I can honestly say I enjoy the daylights out of my 705. Wish I would have bought ML a whole lot sooner.
In over 40 years I can honestly say I enjoy the daylights out of my 705. Wish I would have bought ML a whole lot sooner.
There's no comparison. The 705 is so much more capable.
The only thing that sells the ATP is TV, and it's being waterproof. A lot of users don't want to stop when it rains....until they discover what a mess they make digging in mud.
Really, the ATP isn't a bad machine for what it is, but it's no where near as tailorable as a 705. It has no threshold tone, no true All Metal mode, no Beach Tracking, no Prospector mode, no backlight, no Tracking Offset, no adjustable arm cuff, less than half of the tones, a smaller display, just one available frequency, etc..... , but if you drop it in the drink is doesn't fry.
The only thing that sells the ATP is TV, and it's being waterproof. A lot of users don't want to stop when it rains....until they discover what a mess they make digging in mud.
Really, the ATP isn't a bad machine for what it is, but it's no where near as tailorable as a 705. It has no threshold tone, no true All Metal mode, no Beach Tracking, no Prospector mode, no backlight, no Tracking Offset, no adjustable arm cuff, less than half of the tones, a smaller display, just one available frequency, etc..... , but if you drop it in the drink is doesn't fry.
Southwind
Well-known member
Sorry Old Longhair but I must disagree. I had the X-Terra 70 which is basically the older 705, and it really is more a matter of your type of hunting. I never have watched any of the TV treasure hunting shows so TV had nothing to do with my choice to keep the ATP, its ability did. I do agree I wish the ATP had a threshold but I do believe it isn't costing me any good targets so I OK with it. All metal mode, in my opinion, is only useful if you do relic hunting or maybe beaches. I never use All metal on the high end detector I have that have All metal. Same with the Back-light, I don't hunt at night so not a useful function for my type of hunting. It does have tracking offset, or at least the same concept. With a manual GB you just find the GB and back it off 5-10 and you're good to go for that really deep stuff. I agree that the Minelabs are killer deep silver detectors, although the X-Terra series is nowhere as deep as the FBS's, but the ATP is a far better gold/tot lot machine and much more enjoyable at schools/parks/yards in my opinion.
All good points Southwind, but I don't know if I could ever do without AM with multi-tones for the way I like to search, if that's what you're referring to. I don't run any discrimination normally, and feel that I get such a great idea about what the coil is seeing from the music I am hearing. Living in Alaska for a while, another big selling point for me was the 705's ability to switch to prospecting mode to look for nuggets (not that I ever found any, but that's another story 
). I just really like the do-it-all nature of the 705. As for depth, in the moderate soil here in the Houston area, I hear targets that are sometime so deep and quiet that I'll not bother to dig them if it's near the end of a 95 degree high humidity day! Bad on me for sure, but the other day at a high school I pulled a smallish piece of jewelry from 8" that really surprised me with the strength of its signal. I also like the ability to switch frequencies by changing coils, but it's not only the frequency but the type of coil I can change. When I was making my final choice between the 705 and the ATP, the ATP's waterproof rating to 10 feet made it a tough choice. However, I eventually never had much desire to swim and detect, and the waterproof coils for shallow wading is enough for me. All-in though, to me it's the interface that a person has to decide about in in most cases - does someone like the "feel" and "look" of of machine over the other? Sometimes a product offering from Company A vs. Company B is what feels right, sort of like Android vs. Apple. I like the 705's more clinical interface where interpretation of a target is more left to the experience of the detectorist rather than a scale that says "quarter" or "pull tab" that entices a beginner. Again though, that's just who I am - there really isn't bad choice between the two.
). I just really like the do-it-all nature of the 705. As for depth, in the moderate soil here in the Houston area, I hear targets that are sometime so deep and quiet that I'll not bother to dig them if it's near the end of a 95 degree high humidity day! Bad on me for sure, but the other day at a high school I pulled a smallish piece of jewelry from 8" that really surprised me with the strength of its signal. I also like the ability to switch frequencies by changing coils, but it's not only the frequency but the type of coil I can change. When I was making my final choice between the 705 and the ATP, the ATP's waterproof rating to 10 feet made it a tough choice. However, I eventually never had much desire to swim and detect, and the waterproof coils for shallow wading is enough for me. All-in though, to me it's the interface that a person has to decide about in in most cases - does someone like the "feel" and "look" of of machine over the other? Sometimes a product offering from Company A vs. Company B is what feels right, sort of like Android vs. Apple. I like the 705's more clinical interface where interpretation of a target is more left to the experience of the detectorist rather than a scale that says "quarter" or "pull tab" that entices a beginner. Again though, that's just who I am - there really isn't bad choice between the two.between the two detectors. Last April I bought a new X-Terra705 at my local detector shop. Plus two 3khz coils. Now here's the kicker. It took me about 40 years to find my first U.S. silver bust coin. I dug up a bust dime 3 or 4 months after I bought the X-Terra. Why did I dig it up? In my humble opinion, it was the rolling tones, they make all the difference in the world. If a rusty nail is close to a coin the tones will roll and not lock on to the nail only, as my other detectors did. I'll never know, but I bet this dime was not laying flat because it was found at the edge of the river where the stones/gravel/rocks gather and it was about 6" deep. There is lots of melted small aluminum blobs there in the gravel and they sound really good so I was digging them too. Glad I bought the X-Terra, it's a great detector.
mapper65
Member
I've heard a professional guitar player playing a cheap $60 beginner's guitar once. I've also heard a beginner playing a $5000 guitar. Think about that scenario before debating this too much. Granted a feature like one being waterproof and the other not is a definitive difference between the two detectors but with the other features in the price range of these two detectors I'd say it's more about the operator and their experience with either detector than the equipment itself.
Being in the middle of my 2cd yr detecting. I'm still rather nubish compared to many of you. I had only used my BH 1100 and spent most of a yr researching machines. What I've found is a person adapts to what they're using and what they've spent on the md. Most folks will swear by what they're accustomed to. ATP has a huge following because it works. The X-Terra does too but I think its catching on more and more. I liked the features and interface. The 705 display with the circle giving a countdown reading of the auto features I loved. The 2 pinpoint modes, and I utilize pp sizing all the time was another thing I like. Audio though, especially the 28 tones sings certain songs to me that have me calling out, " Its trash", and even what type of trash it is. I don't hunt as much as a lot of guys but I don't do so bad for a guy with under 2 yrs at it. Id probably be saying wonderful stuff about the ATP had I gone that way. Its what you enjoy. I like all the settings and choices. The coil frequency changing is a big plus for me. In the end though - you've got to get that machine over a goodie target if your gonna find. Many machines will do the job just fine...
mapper65
Member
Digdoggy said:
I think you nailed it in your first few sentences.
I like to keep this link bookmarked and I suggest that others do also because even though this thread has not become a heated discussion between these two products this seems to typically put those types of fires out. If you are someone that reads this link below and you still don't get it, I can only laugh because I think we have all been guilty of this at times. It's only been after I read this article a few years ago that I've become a little more open minded to different brands and brand loyalty.
Fanboyism & Brand Loyalty
detectingMO
New member
It depends on preference and area I think. Around here for tones I'd rank 705, omega, then ATP. For Stability I'd rank 705, ATP, Omega. For depth with comparable sized coils 705, Omega, ATP. Recovery ATP, Omega, 705. Honestly after getting a 705 I wonder why I even played around with the others. It's every bit as deep as an ETRAC or V3i.
Do any of you guys own both detectors?? I watch videos all the time about the etrac it seems to be one of the best out there..I bought a ace 350 first but didn't really like it at all..back in the early 80's I had owned white's 5000 and found silver with it--when my old hunting buddy died kinda gave it up...I still have my white's but only used to help people finds lost things over the years..wish I had bought my 705 first before I bought the ace about a year ago--I love the 705 but I think that there is just not as much silver out there as there was back when I first started?! Thanks for all your help...
and i don't understand why people say the xterra isn't deep, i've heard that before and i don't agree. I have a V3i and i think it is as deep as the FBS machines and the xterra isn't missing it much. jmo.
Southwind
Well-known member
The 705 is a great detector but common sense should tell you there probably is a good reason why the E-Trac is so popular over the others. Really do you think people just don't know any better and you can get the same performance without spending more money? If I really believed I could get the same performance for hundreds less you can bet I'd buy it and I'm sure most would.
Not putting the 705 down at all just pointing out the obvious.
Southwind said:
I believe there is some weight to what you are saying, but i also believe that there are people that believe just cause something cost twice as much, it is twice as good.. plus there are a lot of people that rather say i have a harley than say i have a honda. My V3i cost twice as much as my 705 but it isn't twice the machine in the basic world of metal detecting not by a long shot, it does have more adjustibility/functions and a ton of bells and whistles.. JMO, but what do i know
The explanation is really quite simple. People see the results of users with the E-Trac and try it. When they get better results than what they previously had they become believers. But, the fact is that it is a different technology, one that employs multiple frequencies making it a more universally able machine regardless of conditions. Whereas with the Xterra you need to understand your conditions and set it up accordingly. Part of the E-Trac's success is due to it's search frequencies spanning from 2.5kHz to 100kHz. Silver responds best to 2.7kHz, so the E-Trac earns a reputation as a silver slayer. But at the same time the Xterra running a 3kHz coil can and does just as well under normal conditions.Southwind said:
Now when it comes to gold, I'll take the 705 over any FBS machine all day every day. With it's 18.75kHz being about the lowest frequency that is acceptable for hunting gold, it is unremarkable. But coupled with Prospector mode the game changes, and it becomes a great sub-gram nugget magnet that can only be beat by dedicated gold hunting machines. And it does that with the same control unit that I can hook a 3kHz coil up to for killing silver with later the same day if I desire.
Back to the topic, I personally can't tolerate the squawks, beeps, grunts, and other noises that the ATP produces in lew of "tones". The 705 is much more pleasant and expressive with it's tonal responses and nuances, which convey most of the target information to the user w/o having to rely on the VID. Couple that with the other feature differences that I've already mentioned and it's similar to comparing steak to spam.
There are tons of videos on YouTube where one can hear what they sound like.
BTW, if anyone wants a new ATP I have one.
BTW, if anyone wants a new ATP I have one.
In any and every film/ show post production includes dubbing in clean clear audio. The shots shown where your seeing and hearing them detecting a target are usually done MOS meaning mit out sound. So the crew and all are talking, making noise and whatever. Its because they're gonna dub sound in post, afterward. They do try to reproduce the sounds as close to real as possible. The sound guy most likely has them wave the coil over a target and gets a few good close up sound pickups at a nice quiet time with a super directional mic. This is then used to dub/ redo later in post (editing). Occasionally they'll get clean good audio when filming and use it. You'd be surprised how much noise there is from distant trucks, planes, wind in trees, screw ups, animals one of the actors sniffling uncontrollably. I worked in film in Orlando. It can be a pain in the backside and not the big fun folks may think.
Dog
Dog
You guys in the UK have it made when it comes to detecting. As for the history and old finds is what I mean. So you say the 705 hits it hard over there. Good for y'all . A part of me feels that's the mother country because my fathers people originated from England. If I had the money and the means Id like to go there someday.
HH n GL......Dog
HH n GL......Dog