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2 tone ferrous, All the time?

CT Todd

CT Todd

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I'm wondering what you guy's (old timers) might think on this.For years I hunted with my Sovereign with no discrim engaged.Then I started with my Explorer XS now with this new unit I did use discrim and made programs to use all the great stuff that was in the new unit.In the end with the XS I hunted fields in all metal.Then came the SE for me, and by then there were a lot other Explorer users and the forums going full bore we all shared info and the result for me at least was less and less discrim being used.We were all beating the Null.Now with the Etrac at first everyone was trying all the programs and settings and me too.Everyone chasing the perfect machine that would just tell you when to dig the seated quarter and never a pull tab.In the end we seem to be headed back to no discrim and two tones.Basically a beep and dig machine with some extra info of the target of course. So now I feel like I'm swinging a very good Sovereign again.I really can't think of too many situations that I would go back to the modified Stock coin pattern anymore.Other then cherry picking a spot and even then why would I want to miss good stuff with a nail next to it?We seem to be taking the same route that we did with the Explorer.Play with all the toys and then end up in all metal.Beat the Null
 
I look at 2-tone ferrous as being another tool in the box. If a site has more non-ferrous trash than it does ferrous trash, I'll use the conductive program with a fairly open screen. No reason to look at the meter any more than I have to. And if there are fewer than three of four targets per sweep, I'll take multiple tones. Iron loaded site with lots of nails, 2-tone ferrous is a good choice. But if I only wanted a detector that beeped when I had a conductive target, I'd use my Advantage! Much quicker response, excellent depth, separates well and it ain't balanced bad when you mount the housing under the armcup on a GT straight rod.
Bottom line....... there is way too much information (available) from the E-TRAC to limit myself to 2-tone ferrous at every site. But that is just my opinion. HH Randy
 
For relic hunting yes. Try two tone conductive also. So many good options on the Trac
 
I don't use it all the time, just most of the time but I almost always use a midified relic pattern. You need a little disc to maximize the unmasking ability of the E-TRAC. Andy can elaborate a little more on this but a little disc helps. I don't remember if it is in the software or what but I do remember learning from Andy that the ET's unmasking ability is dependent on using a little disc. http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1001576,1003530#msg-1003530

If I have the time to leasurely hunt a site over time I like to hunt with both F/2-tone and C/multi-tone both seem to have unique strengths and each seem to make finds that the other may miss.

Julien
 
2 tone ferrous is great for very old sites with little modern trash but way to slow going for me to use at more modern sites except in the worst iron/nails.I do use it at extreme trashy sites when I want to go very slow and pick out those few extremely masked targets left hiding in iron.
When a lot of small can slaw and foil is present at depth it is counter productive for me,Ray.
 
No way am I going to use 2-tone ferrous at my typical trashy, aluminum filled, city parks. I want to hear all the multiple tones (Max Variability and Limits)!! That's how I have trained my ears. I don't want to have to look down at the screen for every high peep in 2 Tone. I cherry pick, and only dig the mid-high tones, looking for older copper/silver coinage, and silver jewelry in my parks. I'll try digging the occasional nickel tones....sometimes I pull a nickel, while other times, it's a piece of lawnmower chopped aluminum. 2 Tone Ferrous would "Not" be the best mode for parks filled with a multitude of lawnmower chopped aluminum pieces. Way too much time spent looking at the display for every high peep signal. Now if I wanted to dig everything that wasn't iron, like at one of my local beaches, I'd definitely be hunting in 2-tone Ferrous.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
 
I've been watching the two -tone ferrous postings here. Think that two tone ferrous is a bad label. What is really happening is people are running without programmed discrimination, and to do this you have to be in ferrous mode. It is only two tone because multiple work with everything programmed to hit on the 12 ferrous line. The previous models gave you much more information.

I was one of the thousands that bought the original explorer, read the books, tried programming patterns and quickly discovered they don't work unless you are happy with shallow clad. This appears to also be the case with the Etrac. It sound like it might be faster than some of the older models but still suffers from the same problems.

Chris
 
I have never hunted a park or a beach.I hunt old cellar holes,fields and old existing home lawns.Its the recovery speed and no Nulls that mask good targets thats what I'm after.What I'm saying is that in the end after playing with all the toys that the Etrac has and the Explorers had I'm hunting the Etrac with pretty much the same set up that I used with the Explorer very little or no discrim listen to it all and make dicisions from there.I'm not tellin anyone how they should do it.I just wondered what you thought as a group.
 
I have found hundreds of old deep silver,wheats and Indians in factory coins mode.
And most were in hammered trashy public parks,court houses and church yards.
This 2 tone ferrous thing is great if you are in sites not loaded with 60's and later type trash.It can not be beat at old square nail infested sites.I would say it is the go to setup for most colonial and CW sites.Just not so hot in modern trashy parks if you want to cover any ground as you will be looking at your screen every few seconds to see if you hit can slaw,foil or a multitude of similar aluminum targets.2 tone ferrous is king in the nails/iron but a joke in heavy aluminum unless you want to cover less than 10 square ft per hour and then you can clean out an area ,just takes for ever.
 
Sure, that makes sense
 
I think the consensus seems to be not all the time. I like Diggers statement "another tool in the box". I think iron infested sites and "maybe" cellar hole type sites work for 2-tone ferrous. Any place else and you are giving up some of the true benefits modern detectors, especially the Etrac offer. Multi tone target identification for example is a powerful tool and not taking advantage of it would be like buying a Ferrari and only driving it in the city IMHO.
 
I hunted a pounded park this morning in multi tones conductive mode. Quite a few times I got suspicious, coin sounding, high chirps and garbled high tones. I switched to two tone ferrous and the wide open quickmask screen to quickly check the signals. Most of the time I got the low iron grunt. A couple of times I still got the high tone and they turned out to be wheat cents. For me, two tone ferrous is another way to check a questionable target before digging. Of course...I could have just dug those questionable signals. It seems the older I get, the more shortcuts I try to find.:spin:
 
OhioCoinHunter said:
I hunted a pounded park this morning in multi tones conductive mode. Quite a few times I got suspicious, coin sounding, high chirps and garbled high tones. I switched to two tone ferrous and the wide open quickmask screen to quickly check the signals. Most of the time I got the low iron grunt. A couple of times I still got the high tone and they turned out to be wheat cents. For me, two tone ferrous is another way to check a questionable target before digging. Of course...I could have just dug those questionable signals. It seems the older I get, the more shortcuts I try to find.:spin:
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This is precisely why I'd like to see a "MODE" button on the E-Trac. Not only, like quickmask, be able to go to a screen opened up but also to be able to switch to a "tone mode" loaded up. Just for checking some signals or even when you meander through that "iron infested" spot.

NebTrac
 
NebTrac said:
OhioCoinHunter said:
I hunted a pounded park this morning in multi tones conductive mode. Quite a few times I got suspicious, coin sounding, high chirps and garbled high tones. I switched to two tone ferrous and the wide open quickmask screen to quickly check the signals. Most of the time I got the low iron grunt. A couple of times I still got the high tone and they turned out to be wheat cents. For me, two tone ferrous is another way to check a questionable target before digging. Of course...I could have just dug those questionable signals. It seems the older I get, the more shortcuts I try to find.:spin:
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This is precisely why I'd like to see a "MODE" button on the E-Trac. Not only, like quickmask, be able to go to a screen opened up but also to be able to switch to a "tone mode" loaded up. Just for checking some signals or even when you meander through that "iron infested" spot.

NebTrac
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Neb I can switch from coin mode to two tone in seconds, all you do is have both of them saved in user modes, and all your settings for both are there, switching back and forth is so quick and easy!

I do the same thing Ohiocoinhunter does all the time, I think checking a signal in two tone ferrous is actually MORE EFFECTIVE that quickmask! The more I use this method to check iffy signals the more I am amazed how many times it is right on the money!
 
You may be missing masked targets if you do that. You should use at least the relic pattern when you use ferrous/2-tone or all you will get is the iron that is masking the good target you got a peep out of. You will miss masked targets if you use ferrous/2-tone with no disc at all...!!!!

J
 
jbow said:
You may be missing masked targets if you do that. You should use at least the relic pattern when you use ferrous/2-tone or all you will get is the iron that is masking the good target you got a peep out of. You will miss masked targets if you use ferrous/2-tone with no disc at all...!!!!

J
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I use relic mode when I am in two tone
 
Someone else told me that I must to be in the relic mode in order for two tone ferrous to truly be two tone ferrous. What is it about the relic mode? I do understand that discriminating out the 1 through 35 ferrous line reduces the wrap-around effect of iron. What else does the relic mode do?
 
n/t
 
I agree wholeheartedly! Different tools for the job at hand. HH Randy

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?63,1256943,1257424#msg-1257424
 
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