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jimmyk said:Very informative. Were both Vistas in "Boost"? For raw depth, it looks like the Bliss rules.
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Deusdigger said:What detectors did you tweek settings on and which were on factory settings?
Critterhunter said:I've watched the Blisstool since it's introduction and never saw enough to take the leap. Lately I've been eyeing the Vista Deeptech units and getting closer to adding one to my line up of machines for certain situations IE: low non-ferrous trash with potential of deep coins in fields and such on private land where deep holes without VDI or discrimination much above iron to be particular about what to dig is a non-issue when digging deep holes.
Primarily, what I'd love to see to get off the fence is a comparison of the Deeptech units on some deep silver and copper coins along with gold rings against a Sovereign GT in pin point mode. Even super thin gold rings, as while Minelabs don't do well with fine gold chains or tiny gold earings, they will bang a super deep thin gold ring as deep as an old coin in my experience by way of them being intact loops, and thus presenting just as easy of a target to Minelabs at depth as a solid coin will.
Pin Point mode on the Sovereigns/Excaliburs has many characteristics of a PI unit, in both extreme depth beyond normal abilities of "VLF" units, and also the ability to cut through even the worst of grounds that even BBS multifrequency finds it's self at it's knees at. You can run in PP at full sensitivity 99% of the time despite EMI or ground minerals, and with full volume it also achieves more depth, athough even with volume lowest, while it doesn't seem to affect depth on my GT in disc, I have found it does affect PP's depth and yet still got deeper at one very mineralized beach than disc- same sensitivity level stable for disc and same lowest volume. No doubt though full volume/sensitivity in PP will punch super deep.
Here's where it gets interesting for me in contemplating a potential Deeptech unit....No VDI, no tone alerts (other than two tones for iron/higher targets from what I read in some models?), and yet with some ability to judge targets via the audio response? OK then, if what I have read thus far is correct (assuming), then the abilities of PP mode on the Sov/Excal are somewhat similar from the sound of it. I'm somewhat new to the potential of PP mode on my GT, yet I've read of guys exclaiming as good or better depth as the top PI units they've owned over the years, in both good and bad ground (a recent thread in last few months can be found on this in the beach forum).
Also, I hear there are about 10 "words" to judge target traits by in PP without the need to flip back to disc to judge them. In the short time (since last summer) I have used PP on the beach, in the water, and on land, yes...I can already see some of those words. I can usually tell iron from non-ferrous targets by about 4 different target reports in PP. And I hear there are several more for things like skinny targets, round, and so on in non-ferrous traits.
Long story short, to me this sound similar in ability to the Deeptechs in judging targets and in potential depth perhaps. The depth thing is the key question in my mind. So, if I could see some depth tests in both good and bad soils & sands on copper and silver coins and gold rings (even super thin ones) to judge depth potentials on to a GT, and if that shows me substantial more on the Deeptech, then I might be in business here to add one to my line up of machines. I am both intrigued by the potential performance and the price, which seem both on more solid ground thus far than prior deep weapons I've heard rumblings of one way or the other.
Now, no doubt on thin gold chains or tiny earrings the Deeptechs are going to cream a Minelab, but that depends on your hunting style. For me, by my way of thinking, I've owned machines super sensitive to fine gold, and found they made for a rather bumpy ride on land chasing small foil flakes and such. I prefer that stuff to sound sick, and only want the depth on gold rings for the most part.
One of the perks of reverse discrimination hunting on the BBS units is the ability to flip back to disc and re-check a target's potential. The question I ask myself is- Does it sound deeper than disc can see for that given soils/sands minerals? If so, and it don't have iron traits in PP, then I dig regardless of not being able to hear it in disc. At some sites disc might have 12 to 14" in depth on stuff. At badly mineralized ones (one in particular) it was about 5" on a coin. That's the rule of thumb I use, to judge targets with reverse discrimination. Any deeper than I think disc can see, and if it's not sounding like iron traits in PP, then I'm digging.
The other thing I'm trying to contrast to decide of needing a Deeptech in my line up is just which model. Every single freq machine I've owned in my mineralized soils/sands above about 8khz got lousy depth and separation, and seemed to get even less depth on silver/copper coins. From what I've gleamed so far on the Deeptech units, seems the higher freq gold unit might go against that rule of thumb? If I hadn't read otherwise, I might be prone to automatically go for the lowest freq unit, but if the higher freq one can still punch deep in my soil/sands for both old coins and rings, yet provide two tones, then that might be a rule changer for me.
I need more input and advice on that. Primarily I'm an old coin hunter, but I do go for the gold on the beach often too. This is where my delema lies on the higher/lower freq Deeptech units, and also as said how they might contrast in depth ability to PP mode on my GT. If you could swing a video with PP mode on the GT in comparison that would help me greatly to make a decision.
If you do, be sure to ground balance in Track All Metal, then switch to Fixed and then PP, as a recent Email I got from Minelab says PP does use the all metal ground balance setting, despite the manual saying it is a form of all metal that doesn't feature a ground balance. Also told PP or Fixed will hold it's last setting when flipping to disc, which doesn't use a ground balance due to the unique way it ignores the ground signal, so that when you flip back to PP it will still have it's GB calibration that was set prior.
Thanks for any input and potential video comparisons you can make on this. If I could see any advantage I just might pull the trigger here, but I need to see both same site/same target/max volume and sensitivity in PP to judge final like for myself...
Diggin-it said:I think the Deus should have been run in 18khz...it makes a difference for depth.
Diggin-it said:yes I do own the XP Deus. I get greater depth at 18khz. I have no reason to believe that with the endless tweaky ability of the Deus that the 10" targets could not have been easily detected.