Age of the F70/F75 Detectors

[dbax]

When I purchased my F70 a little over a year ago, I thought I was buying a NEW machine -- I mean, like year model -- then I went to the forums to figure out how to use it to its fullest potential -- it is here I discovered my NEW F70 was old, in years, not a new 2012 (December) model at all, not even a last years model. So, I am wonder, what is the model year for the F70? As time went on I also discovered the F70 came after the F75? Usually model numbers run the other way -- this backward development is a plus for the F70 owners, of course, but odd all the same. So, just how old is the F75? And does anyone know what the average release time of truly new models in the Metal detecting industry? There is that old saying, "If it ain't broke don't fix it", but it does seem some of these detector developers take that to the extreme. I love my F70 but if I had realized it was long in the tooth, so to speak, from the get go, I may have searched for a more up to date model from among the competitors, after all, these machines are not cheap -- I know, that is all relative, maybe to some of you this is chump change but to me it is a small fortune and lots of honey do, and then some more Honey do to crack the budget for an upgrade model.

 

[ez4sure]

i think your your spot on if it aint broke dont fix it as long as there selling lots of f75s why release a new model i guess as soon as the other companys come out with machines that are alot better for the same money you will see something new from first texas hh

 

[mudpuppy]

I'd like to know more too! The FLabs reasoning behind the development of the F70?...what was the idea for a market niche? Seems its sort of unique in a way...the only F model without knobs besides the F2?
Seems a fellow took the '75's housing and guts, dropped it onto a shaft...sort of fabbed up a "rat rod" type of thing...hardly got any press...the old boys who seem to understand detectors told me this model was a "sleeper" said you drop a 11"dd on it and its like putting a hemi in a stock F150...all sorts of coils fit it, tones galore, etc.....except no leather seats or power windows, just sheer power in an unobtrusive, light simple package?...Whereas the F75 was the fully loaded model?...maybe Dave J will give us the backstory? Or, we will have to create our own legend I guess...the dang thing sure is fast! packs a lot of punch, like maybe Sugar Ray Leonard, or DelaHoya?..heck, if you met either of them on the street, you would have no idea the speed, power, and calamity they could deliver...and this thing flat delivers!
Mud.

 

[Ayeti65]

I kinda wonder about the market idea, it fits that upper middle range price machine that wasn't offered with the F series with the F5 and F75. And yes, very quick, powerful machine, that uses all the flagship's (F75) coils and accessories. Never-the-less I am really glad they made it, and equally glad I made the switch to this machine. It certainly delivers where it counts.

 

[Ayeti65]

I also haven't heard or seen any concrete evidence that the F75 can out perform the F70 on any/all levels

 

[mudpuppy]

Well, you will now! You just watch the '75's come out of the woodwork and rise to your cast there Ayeti! Good thing if they do!...need something to dialog about here..

Full disclosure: I'm definitely not what one would call a deep silver hunter, so MAYBE the 75 has the 70 beat in this dept? If you think so and can PROVE it, lets hear from you!
Mud

 

[Ayeti65]

That will surely give us something to discuss lol. Maybe they can convince me to join the dark side of the force lol and buy an F75

 

[REVIER]

That will surely give us something to discuss lol. Maybe they can convince me to join the dark side of the force lol and buy an F75

In limited hunting time with the F70 with the F75 coil mounted I have already found at least one target that the F70 locked onto, gave a pretty good ID and was correct on the depth...and that depth was 14".
Not sure I would ever want or need to move up to the F75.
If somebody gave me one I wouldn't turn it down, however.

 

[REVIER]

Well, you will now! You just watch the '75's come out of the woodwork and rise to your cast there Ayeti! Good thing if they do!...need something to dialog about here..

Full disclosure: I'm definitely not what one would call a deep silver hunter, so MAYBE the 75 has the 70 beat in this dept? If you think so and can PROVE it, lets hear from you!
Mud

A reply from Dave Johnson and a question comparing the F70 to the Goldbug Pro.

F70 probably better for general use esp. if you need slow mode for deep silver. GB Pro better if you intend to do any gold prospecting, but it is also a good general purpose detector.

What I think I am inferring is that the F70 will find deep silver just fine, slip into SL mode and you get a little more oomph to boot.

 

[hershey1]

To say the F-75 is a better machine than the F-70 of course it is. Mud the proof is in the price. You don't have to learn the machine it is just better because it costs more. That is what a lot of people think. But as most know these machines are as good as the skill and knowledge of the person using it. I don't know about the improvements in the F-70 but I sure do about the F-75. When the first F-75s came out if you could see a powerline or a town they were just about useless because of EMI. Now I can hunt my F-75 LTD anywhere and most places wide open. It will actually lock on targets without the display looking like a roulette wheel and sounding like a popcorn machine. I am not sure what the improvements are I just know I called Felix and he had me send it in and when it came back it was a completely different machine. I have noticed some of the new T-2s are like this also. So they have made major improvements in the older model machines. By the way if you want more depth get a ML Mud. HH

 

[sprchng]

I don't really have a dog in this hunt because I don't even really like my 75ltd in my dirt but the progression of detector technology is a fascinating story unto itself.

HERE'S WHAT THE LEAD DESIGNER HAD TO SAY:

 

[Elton]

F75 original announced release was 2006 ...Fisher started in 1931 F75 was a 75 year anniversary release

F70 about one year later or a little more.......... but right in that range......

Here is Mr. Bills notice about ordering Notice the date of his post...............



F-75 Photos

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We have them on order.

Necessary to edit this post because of incorrect information I had. Sorry about that.

They did make changes over the T-2.




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After reviewing posts the actual release was in 2007 ............ Fisher F75 Original detector..They were announced in 2006


2007 post by Mr. Bill


Shipping & Delivery Info. on the F75, F4

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Here is a copy of a Fisher news letter to dealers about the release of the F-75 & F-4 Fisher detectors.

Thought all would like to see this.

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February 21, 2007

Dear Metal Detector Enthusiast:

We have some exciting announcements to make.
First, we would like to put to rest any questions about our new products.
We apologize for the delay in shipping of these units but we are now ready to release them.

We at Fisher Labs believe that the F75 might just make all other $1000+ multi purpose metal detectors obsolete. This was the intention of our world class design team. And critical field tests confirm that the F75 is an exceptionally well engineered machine.

Furthermore, we believe that the F4 is the best machine in its price range and will deliver big results for less investment.

[size=x-large]The F75 will ship on March 5.[/size]

The F4 will ship on March 30.

The pricing we previously communicated is still in effect.

On a broader scale, we intend over the next two years to introduce several new detectors. We intend to augment our assortment of gold machines, strengthen our water machine, and add several more multi purpose machines to our offering. All told we expect to have somewhere near 6 new machines by close of 2008.

One last thing, regarding warranty, our communication on May 22nd 2006 regarding Fisher warranties is still valid. We honor the warranties of any Fisher products purchased with a lifetime warranty. This has not changed. I have enclosed that letter just in case you have customers that are in doubt.


Thanks
Tim Mallory

VP Sales and Marketing
Fisher Research Labs


[size=x-large]F-70 released in March of 2008. Cabalas it seems had them first........ ???[/size]

 

[mudpuppy]

How'd I get dragged into this? Dbax started it! Elton gives you the hint..the 75 came first, then, it was debugged, simplified, bored and stroked, and packaged as the 70!

I dont give a tinkers cuss about deep silver hunting!...I'm a speed sweeper, quick broomer, bleacher busting roustabout of clad and gold!
For my intended dirt hunting purposes, the 70 is my weapon...still, I sure have learned alot lately of its magnificence in the deep silver game from some of my brothers that employ it in this regard...I'm not a good demographic to pattern unless a guy is out for serious shallow loot daily, then OK, I can add to that conversation, and I doubt theres a coil swinger out there that can match my take with the 70! Unless its another 70 swinger half my age, with 3 legs and a wheelbarrow pushing butler! (flat ground, wide open, end to end speed sweep race results)

Now I dont like to brag, especially about things I've never done, but if I ever get into an area that has never seen a coil and chock full of old silver, the 70 will clear that place out in a gosh darn hurry, before a 75 swinger even gets to ground balance!

I cant believe Dave J has not risen to the bait regarding this topic! At least he could have the decency to give us a good spanking if its technologically warranted or deserved!

Y'all know he is holding back some serious braggin' regarding the 70...it just didn't show up on an accident with left over 75 parts and all, somebody thought this one out, and decided to price it where it was, and keep it's strengths quiet, so as not to cannibalize the massive profit margin on the 75 sales to the old dudes who are happy finding a pre 64 rosie and a couple of wheaties a few times per year..

(Man, that ought to do it)
Mud

 

[Ayeti65]

Well Mud you have hit the hornets best with a stick now. If that doesn't draw out the negitive feedback, as we call it at work, then nothing will. Personally I have found things at depths with my F70 that I can't believe there could be anything deeper, here in my soil. And you are correct Mud the machine will flat clean up a beach or park in a blink of an eye, and with the longer shaft, we have, you can really cover the real estate, only slowing down to grab up the goodies and go, I swing my detector so fast it sounds like a whistle in the wind lol. The processor is so fast on the F70 it amazes me how it can determine there are multiple targets in close proximity to each other with such accuracy. Now, the logical part of my brain says to me, since the F75 is more expensive it must be better. That I have yet to see clear proof of, I wish someone would do an "honest, fair" assessment of the two detectors side by side with real world targets on different soil types and post that on a video site for us all to watch that would be nice.

In all seriousness I can't wait for the weather to break so we all can get something better to talk about.., lol this is fun and all, I miss the gold and all the finds we all get. My lake is at record low levels and its so cold out side I can't even stand to walk to the truck to go to work.

 

[jim tn]

but it only stands to reason the F 75 is better. First off, I have one, currently the LTD model and had the regular F 75 and got it shorty after they came out. Secondly, 75 is better then 70. At least when it comes to detectors. Quite frankly, don't know if there is any difference between the two in de mode. The jewelry mode is pretty darn deep and very sensitive. Does the F 70 have a jewelry mode? There you go! And, well, there simply is no need to even get into the B P mode and its merits. You F 70 users think what you want. Your day won't be spoiled that way. HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

n/t

 

[GroundScanner]

I was thinking of getting a new F70 w/the 3 coils , or was thinking of the T-2se. Instead i went with the new F75se ltd which i don't mind not getting the 3rd coil. So i can not say anything but hope it provens itself. GS

 

[ez4sure]

where i live boost mode does not help depth wise, i seem to get better depth in je mode having used both the f70 and f75se i really believe that the f70 will find just about everthing that the 75 will find but thats here in very nasty soil. ive done depth tests with both and 7 to 8 inches is as deep as they go on coins in disc mode but the f75se trumps the f70 in when using all metal in bp mode, one thing i liked about the 70 was the you can set the threshold wich really helps dealing with emi im glad i upgraded to the 75se but i really like the f70 i thinks one of the best out there for the price hh

 

[REVIER]

but it only stands to reason the F 75 is better. First off, I have one, currently the LTD model and had the regular F 75 and got it shorty after they came out. Secondly, 75 is better then 70. At least when it comes to detectors. Quite frankly, don't know if there is any difference between the two in de mode. The jewelry mode is pretty darn deep and very sensitive. Does the F 70 have a jewelry mode? There you go! And, well, there simply is no need to even get into the B P mode and its merits. You F 70 users think what you want. Your day won't be spoiled that way. HH jim tn

Spoil my day?
Hmmm....
Lets see...I do seem to have a jewelry mode, I call it swinging the detector.
3 hunts and about 10 hours on my F70 found me a ring that paid for at least half if not more than what I paid for my brand new unit that had never been outdoors or seen a speck of dirt and cost only$400.
That ring was the last great jewelry find of last year, can't say for sure, but I bet it won't be the last great jewelry find for my F70.
Depth and sensitivity, well I am already finding, IDing and digging targets down to 14" in unfrozen soil...got some even deeper signals at 16" and more but the ground was to frozen to dig those.
I will report back on those at another time.
Oh yea, this was in DE speed.
Since you don't see the need to get into discussing BP mode I won't mention SL mode...or what Dave Johnson has stated about how similar they are.
Of course the F75 is much greater, I mean it costs so much more it just has to be, doesn't it?
Maybe one day I will get an F75 and compare what it can do compared to what will happen this year with the F70, maybe it really is worth all that extra money.
That would be fantastic if it is, but seeing just a little of what the F70 is capable of I can see that I will have to get ready to have my mind blown totally out of the water.

I think me and my inferior and much cheaper buddy are still gonna have a pretty good time this year.

 

[sprchng]

They should have called it the F70JR----- for "junior"