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Are detecting videos more of a blessing or a curse???

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Ray-Mo.

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I enjoy the vids as much as any one but I think many of them are going to come back to haunt our hobby, big time.Not so much the ones posted here but many on Utube give a lot of ammunition to the anti detecting crowd.Some are showing digging relics on private property with a big shovel and an even bigger hole without proclaiming to the viewers loud and clear that it is private property with the owners complete blessing.And then some are about as bad in nice city parks:veryangry:
I refuse to hunt public sites with any one using a relic shovel or similar type digger.I will be the first to agree that a very clean plug can be cut with a sharp relic shovel but that is not the issue.It is all about the public eye and their perception of our hobby and (recovery methods).
I also refuse to hunt most public parks with more than one other person at a time for appearance sake.The exception is blighted inner city parks where the only safe way to hunt is in numbers.
I may be opening a can of worms so to speak but this is an important issue for those of us who plan on detecting for many years to come:thumbup:
 
I seriously doubt that many people other than other detectorists are even looking at those videos. I agree that improper digging tools are a problem, but you-tube isn't anybodys weapon.
 
I agree I only post common finds coins,toys,etc.I was going to start utubing bought 700 dollar sony hd cam with gps thought about it a little more changed my mind.Been hunting KKK ( Hanging Area) been making lot of money on artifacts I would love to post pictures but will have to be satisfied with joy of find and money from what I was told this spot was used for the same purpose before the KKK for undesierables everyone thinks I am squirrel hunting about another 100 hours I will have spot pretty well cleaned 5 acre wooded site lots of unexpected civil war items coming out almost like new and fur trade Tomahawks several hundred horse shoes.No record of anything at this location.This is on private land and we have 50/50 split agreement no business of any goverment look what happened to Mel Fisher.
 
Jason in Enid said:
I seriously doubt that many people other than other detectorists are even looking at those videos. I agree that improper digging tools are a problem, but you-tube isn't anybodys weapon.
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Don't kid yourself. I posted the following link on another thread just to make members aware of the assault on our hobby. Millions of people watch videos on you-tube and many of these videos just give the haters of our hobby more ammunition to try and take it away from us. The threat to our hobby is very serious. Every metal detectorist should read this.

http://www.metal-detecting-ghost-towns-of-the-east.com/metaldetectinglaws.html
 
Ray Mo

I totally agree with you mate.
Even some highly respected vid post-ees have some very sloppy traget retrieval techiques
definelty not condusive to maintaining a positive image for m.d.

T59
 
It is a known fact that the anti-relic hunting/digging groups monitor the utube and forum sites closely.
 
hi all, I guess I have to agree to a certain point. I've also seen some vids where people were very sloppy in there recovery technique but, I've seen some very good vids out there as well. This is a hobby/sport like alot of others you are always going to have people against you. Hunting and fishing is the same way with the animal rights people even though thousands of animals starve in the winter from malnutrition. My point is your never going to make everyone happy. I am not going to draw unwanted attention to our hobby but, I'm also not going to detect at the light of a full moon either out of fear. I was hunting a park in early spring on a very nice day and a photagrapher from the local paper was out taking spring pictures and wanted to take my picture and I declined. My buddy said why did I decline and I told him that all it would take was some idiot to key in on it and cause problems or anybody to get the idea with a wal-mart detector and start destroying our parks. Like I said earlier though it is a legal activity and I'm not going to duck and hide to enjoy it. When I have to detect in back alleys with the crack heads then it's not worth it anymore! Your never going to avoid the idiots no matter what hobby you enjoy. Just my 2 cents. HH.
 
It is coming to the point where everything we do (not just in our hobby) can be considered to be a criminal act if someone wants it to be. At some point if people are called criminal enough they will start acting like criminals. Over regulation always leads to people skirting the law... people will only surrender freedom to a point... that is my opinion.
I have never hunted on posted land or NFS land or NPS land and I wouldn't but don't try to tell me I cant hunt on private property with permission from the land owner. There are places where it is against the law to hunt relics with a detector on your own land... do you think I would obey that law? I am too old and too southern to abide that... thankfully, I don't have to deal with it.

This country needs to get with the program and get something going like they have in England instead of trying to be adversarial about everything because they have some perceived moral higher ground...

Sorry.. but I was already aggrivated because I saw that commercial on TV with Andy Griffith touting all the "good things" that came out of 1965 and gloating about old people getting "free" stuff (at the expense of their children and grand children). His generation is the wealthiest in our society and the most entitled and they always want more... "I think you are going to like it", he says...

need to take blood pressure meds...

J
 
I think we are killing this hobby by bringing all this fanfare to it, all the bragging, all the hey look at what I found and how I did it stuff. I see dig holes in local parks, craters on the local beaches, its bad enough we post this stuff on treasure hunting sites but now its expanded to you tube, facebook and so forth.
if you think about it, its a shame people even have to be told to fill in holes and leave a place the way it was when you entered.
so yeah Ray, I think its far from a blessing:rant:
 
As some of you know, I have posted videos of hunts for the past two years. I've been lucky enough to catch some great finds on film. But lately I've been thinking about leaving the video camera at home. The primary reason is because it's just getting old and I find myself more reluctant to pull the camera out and film. However I have always done my best to portray our hobby in a positive light. Hopefully I have shown how fun and thrilling it is. I guarantee you have never ever seen me digging in a park or any other public place with a shovel. However I have seen it. It turns my stomach when I consider how the public perceives it. In my videos I always cut a "U" shaped plug. I like to let the roots stay attached to the grass on the plug. Sometimes I show what the ground looks like after I have retrieved the coin. My goal is to make the plug invisible after it has been replaced. I do remember a detecting video from a while back that showed a young man with a lousy attitude digging holes, leaving them unfilled and throwing his trash on the ground. Just terrible.
 
I too have been shooting some videos. After my first one I received word from a gentleman about my digs. He was concerned about the way I was digging them. Though I always filled them in, they did not look like proper, good detecting holes. At first I was slightly perturbed because I thought ..."he's not getting what my intention is (people being able to listen to the tones of the E-Trac and see the FULL dig)". Then I thought about it and realized he was right.

I then made it known that I was in a horse/cow pasture. There were gophers and badgers leaving things a lot worse than I did. I also let it be know I am way more careful in a manicured lawn or park.

I enjoy the videos others shoot. I enjoy seeing what is still being found that can be traced back around 100-200 years ago. If we stop, I'm ok with that too. I hope people realize I'm not bragging about my finds, I'm just more interested in people listening and seeing the E-Trac at work.

I think if we take it to extremes we also have to stop posting our finds here as well. I don't want anyone to do this.

NebTrac
 
Watching ohiocoinhunter and others videos made me take the leap to my Safari instead of fisher they were most helpful and I was able to make a good decision.
 
I guess they can be a bit of both from videos I learned a lot about the proper way of cutting a plug, while I have a Predator shovel that I can cut a very nice plug with I do not use it and would not use it in a public place, not because of how it digs just because of the perception. I got the shovel for field digs primarly where you have permission and there is no grass to begin with. While I have never been "ran off" a place I have had park rangers approach me to see what I was doing, there first question generally is "Finding anything good!" Personaly I feel the Police came to ask Fooser-Paul just because someone called them, I know several Police officers and unless you were blantingly destroying property they could not care less what you were doing. I had a township Chief Adminstor tell me (I live in a smaller city) that he told the police that it was ok for me to hunt on any township property! Perception is a big part of what we are responsible for even if it is permissable I would not hunt in a spot if it would bring disrepute on our hobby.
 
and have for a long time, and particularly from the very start of the video "craze" on YT etc. I COMPLETELY understand there are some good intentions involved with those that choose to make videos and there are good learnings that can come from them. I also am aware that with SOME, even if they won't admit it, vid's are also about being less invisible and totally anonymous in this world of 6.9 billion souls. BUT that isn't the most important issue. In my mind, the issue is addressed by simply asking the question, "is there possibly ANYTHING 'bad' that can come from my posting this up and if the answer is yes, is it really worth it to do so?" Folks that are anti-detecting DO look for these freebies we throw out to them. To assume otherwise is just being naive. I notice that a lot of reality shows are playing to the tough economic times and driving home the point that someone is essentially finding money "growing" in old barns, pawn shops, and now in our case, underground. I just think the potential bad outweighs all of the good on that. We should always be cognizant that anyone's "fun" can be a catalyst for others to use it against them. It's hugely unfortunate but it happens, always has, and I suspect always will. Thanks for bringing this up, Ray.....folks need to give this subject serious thought. Coincidently, this was just addressed in one of the mags in a rather lengthy and hopefully, thought provoking article.
 
Vids are fun to watch and fun to make, Whats the fun in the hobby if you cant share it with others.
 
I'm a little late picking up on this post, but it is a point that should be taken seriously.

I don't know if anyone here is aware of the dredging ban in California that took affect last year, but that's how that whole thing got it's start was with a video made by a dredger and it showed a fella sucking up some salmon eggs. The Greene's jumped on that pony and road it till they finally got legislation past to stop dredging all together.

We do have enemies out there and they will use anything they can get their hands on. I don't mean to be a doomsayer but it is a point well taken.
 
tippyhound said:
I'm a little late picking up on this post, but it is a point that should be taken seriously.

I don't know if anyone here is aware of the dredging ban in California that took affect last year, but that's how that whole thing got it's start was with a video made by a dredger and it showed a fella sucking up some salmon eggs. The Greene's jumped on that pony and road it till they finally got legislation past to stop dredging all together.

We do have enemies out there and they will use anything they can get their hands on. I don't mean to be a doomsayer but it is a point well taken.
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Another case in point is the state of Wisconsin where the archaeologists got all metal detecting on public lands and state water ways (Bye Bye water hunting) stopped because of artifacts being shown on U-tube and being sold on E-bay. The FMDAC is presently fighting to get legislation passed to get some of their hobby rights reinstated.

By all means enjoy this hobby and show off your finds, but be careful about what your are showing about your recover techniques (respect the land and property owners rights) remove all trash,and leave the property looking as good if not better then you found it.
 
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