Bryce, would you record some souns of your deep coins?

[C&RHunter]

I use Sunray phones on my main detector now, but the phones in question are Koss AccuSound Gold Edition. They both seem to work fine as far as rt & lt balance, but the pitch of the tones are different from one set to the other. My hunting partner borrowed them and even commented about the tone pitch being different. But....Once you were accustomed to one or the other, you knew what to listen for, So in this case, Bryce making a tone recording very could very easily not be the sound for anothers machine and phones....That's what makes this a very interesting hobby...It really makes the ole brain work, and work hard sometimes....but when you pop out silver or gold, it makes everything sooo Good.

 

[treasurefiend]

i think someone should make a dvd with all on site live recordings of the explorer...a true documentary of signals.
not one day out ,lots of hunts...good bad and ugly...that would sell as good as ralphs sunray probes....
seems like these guys that master that knowledge keep it to themselfs......

This thread is about deep and iffy signals, if there was a text book response or sound to them than they wouldn't be iffy signals and people wouldn't bypass them as being trash. The only reason why they are still in the ground is because they are abnormal sounding and not a solid hit, if they did than someone would of found them long ago. Its just simply interpreting the info that your machine gives you and you have to make a decision based on you previous experiences on weather or not to dig the target and even then it may just be a piece of trash. There is no secret or a conspiracy to keep this info under wraps, it is just something that you learn overtime.

 

[Erik in NJ]

 

[treasurefiend]

My friends & I went out to a new site today that dates back to 1841and quickly found out it was like trying to detect on top of an iron skillet and my machine was nulling more than 3/4 of the time. I didn't get a single solid hit in the 6 hours I was there so 100% of my finds were bouncy / iffy signals. Not shown are the pull tabs or foil balls. I did manage to get 1 wheatie (1919) and a large smooth copper disk both of which are at the bottom of the pix. One of my buddies found a 1905 Barber half and a 1928 Merc, another found a 1866 IH cent. Normally I don't show the trash I dig but that is what this thread is trying to figure out how to determine good deep and or iffy signals. Eventually my trash to coin ratio will get smaller but I am always trying to learn more about what my SE is trying to tell me. As stated in earlier posts - there is no shortcut, it comes with experience. Oh and yes this has been my worst hunt of the season.

 

[Erik in NJ]

n/t

 

[John LA]

The tones used in metal detecting should be about the same on headsets from $30 to about $150. Using $700 or $800 headsets for metal detecting is unnecessary because of tones used in MDing.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Hi John - Finally a voice of reason...we are certainly not listening to 20Hz to 20KHz while detecting...I use Gray Ghost because of the durability and ability to change cords if need be, but I recall a $20 pair of Radio Shack phones I used eons ago that were quite capable. I'm going to get a splitter tomorrow and rig up my Olympus digital recorder when I go out detecting to be able to generate some .wav files which I think will be of more than sufficient quality to be able to hear the subtleties of iffy signals, etc. Should be interesting -- stay tuned!

 

[grumpyolman]

Eric...Maybe you already know but I bought a splitter from Radio Shack for about $7 and used it on anothers guy's machine so I could, too hear what he was hearing. I followed him for about 3 hours and learned more that one time than dozens of times out by myself. The auvdio/video (DVD) would be high on my priority list of learning tools. I am some what of a musician and have played in some rock bands and jazz bands. I can hear a chord and tell you if it's major or minor or if it's a diminshed, augmented, or a major or dominant seventh. I do think I am trainable and there has to be a better learning tool than trial and error digging. That'll be the final test, but you sure could do a lot of 'practicing' in front of the computer on a rainy day.

 

[Erik in NJ]

DIG - DIG - DIG ..... there is no shortcut, it comes with experience

Jim, Thanks for finally putting to rest the above sentiments as invalid with some actual physical experience. I'm convinced that a DVD of super deep and iffy signals as well as junk signals (as someone aptly put it - The Good, Bad, and Ugly) would be a fantastic learning tool even for experienced users. I'm determined to start recording digitally and will be working on the setup this weekend....I'd welcome assistance from anyone that may be interested in workingon this with me. Would like to catch up with you this week by phone.......Best, Erik

 

[Elton]

Just go down the list of posters on this post and many have sent me messages and good suggestions.

Then drop down the next twenty posts and more people that have helped.... All TOP GUNS....

 

[se stan]

i guess the right thing for a starter like me is to stop typing and start digging.i didnt mean to tick anybody off but its a fustrating machine to get a grip on.
ive been diggin a lot of iffys and sometimes they get the best of me..i gotta gain more experince and digging a deep iffy one would surely put some confidence in the machine.a lot of people have gave up on this machine but i will stick with it ...im sorry i bothered everybody...goodbye..

 

[OldBeechnut]

Just Happened across this Topic, I have done a few video's in the Beach And Water Detecting Forum on Almetal Hunting with the Excal, I took the transducers {speakers} Out of the stock yellow Phones and put them In A set Of Petlor H10a's to retain the original Tones, Then I mounted a Tachyon XC HeadCam on it I got off of ebay..........Well, from watching my own videos from technic to tones to digging style I have learned so much..., I would like to see some you Pro's on the Minelab Explorer Series Digging Silver or Even a Gold Coin....Here are some Pics Of my Set Up

 

[rbholt80]

I dont think its the exact sound people are asking for here. Its more like what happens as far as signal and nulling and what it is that warrants more of an investigation. I hear all the sounds every one hears but what is it thats different from what i hear that makes the pros dig the junky sound that produces a good target. IS it less blanking at the end of the signal is it more good sounds mixed with bad sounds and nulls? Is it curser bonce or less bounce. Is it better sounding to one side or the iron or one way hits that sound good but then lead to nulling. I think thats more of what people arent understanding more so than the high chirp or funky junky sound cause we all hears those. What is it about a sound not the exact sound cause we all know that the exact sound i hear wont be the same as some one else.
Im to the point i dont think i need the lesson much but i know others may still need the help.
This is a hard one to help with cause of the variables involved in it but a good lesson on video would still help out to give a better idea of whats dig able and whats not. If someone did this vid. they could make some money and help others at the same time. Thats got to be worth the effort to some pro. Think about the money and the people it would help. I dont need the vid but would buy one just to see if i could get better.

 

[Erik in NJ]

Let the naysayers say nay - several here have already offered proof that studying thse sounds can greatly impact the learning process. So when someone tells you that the only way to learn is to DIG - DIG - DIG, I say - - ...... I hope you'll stick around here - I'll be starting doing some digital recordings this week and will let you know how it goes.

 

[treasurefiend]

Good luck on your venture, I truly hope you can produce what your looking for and others can learn an few things from it. I seem to remember that people thought that Columbus would fall off the edge of the world, but I also remember that alchemists have been trying to reproduce gold long since forever and have never succeeded. You can capture the sounds no problem, the only problem that I see is that people might not get the same sounds due to their machine settings, coil used, soil conditions (dry, wet or muddy), same junk that is obscuring the coin for that particular signal in the video, is the coin on edge, and headphones used. When you finish this project I am very interested in seeing it but I think your emphases should be into looking for these types of sounds not this exact sound as they will differ from every deep or iffy signal that you find, there will me similarities but they will not be the exact same signal. Good luck and happy hunting.

 

[grumpyolman]

Erik...I saw old beech nut's videos and they were really cool. They were so darn interesting, for a pervert detector addict, that I would watch them for hours on a rainy day or in an evening following my so-so day. All days are good days when you are out detecting but really we are all after that big score. That's the addiction. Is the next dig going to be that big gold ring with a big diamond in it??
I did try that new Predator tool Bryce is talking about on the Explorer side of the forum. It's a killer tool. It really made my target recovery 30-40% easier and faster. For people who do circle cuts I don't know how well it''ll work. Somebody who does that will have to let us know. However those of us who do a 3 sided flap, it's 3 pushes into the ground and use the angle of the handle to get the leverage and pry on the front flap and out it comes ready to lay on it's hinge till you put things back together. When you gotta go deeper it really goes in farther and takes a big glob of dirt with it. I was working the middle of a football field and I think it'd be darn hard to tell where I took a cut to get at a target. I make more of a mess with the long pointy tool to pop shallow clad. I sharpened mmine a little and learned I have to do some more sharpening. I went to a few places that had sod over gravel and it didn't work there well. Had to resort to the regular old Predator. Regards...Jim

 

[Guvner]

n/t

 

[Guvner]

I was thinking you were getting a little selfish with all that knowledge myself. We could have sure recorded a lot yesterday huh? I do however want to ask Golddigger how he knows it's going to be a thin, worn out dime though. That always aggravates me...

G...

 

[Erik in NJ]

(that was a joke in case you can't see the little guy rolling on the floor laughing!)

Amazing the heat some including myself have taken for trying to record some super deep and iffy signal for educational purposes - first of all I never said that you won't learn from digging targets....I've been using an Explorer since around '00 - '01 and I can tell you that I've certainly dug my share of targets....my time is constrained and I am a little lazy sometimes so you won't find me digging every iffy signal that I come across....am I missing good targets - sure, I'm sure I'm missing things, but I also realize there's a law of diminishing returns and I don't want to spend 80% of my time chasing another 20% of good targets. Do I find good stuff? Heck yeah, I find my share - just found a beautiful solid gold engraved initial ring from the 40's the other day which I have yet to post. It almost sounded like a nickel, but I didn't have to dig 1000 pull tabs to find it. Anyone that suggests that the ONLY way to "learn your machine" is by digging is either naive or lying to you.

Funny that a guy that runs a metal detecting forum should make a comment disparaging typing ... I've certainly learned an aweful lot by typing on metal detecting forums and reading the typing done by others!

 

[Guvner]

"Funny that a guy that runs a metal detecting forum should make a comment disparaging typing ... I've certainly learned an aweful lot by typing on metal detecting forums and reading the typing done by others!"

I do thank you for that comment Erik. I just don't let me owning the forum enter much into how I react to disinformation of which I believe you just provided. I like people posting but at times I surely believe that some of the more prolific posters, (and especially ones who like to bump old posts back to the top..) would serve themselves and others better by doing a slight bit more detecting then typing. Of course maybe detecting isn't your game. Maybe we could have a spelling bee??? That would go along just fine with all of the typing...

Erik, by all means make a recording of all of the sounds you can find the time to record. You have our full support. Please do draw us a map where all targets you skipped for being in the lower 20% are located so that me and Bryce can go after those very diminished return items ourselves and save you the time of digging such low producing sounds. We do listen before we dig and I thought in an earlier posting you were having problems with these sounds which makes me a bit confused about why you'd be recording them. Are you trying to baffle someone else?

I did make an extra silver dime tonight I might add. Bryce said you wouldn't respond to my post tonight and I took the other side of that issue. You didn't let me down a bit and now I have found another silver dime in my collection from that no helping, scoundrel Bryce. In fact we hadn't but just got done making the bet when we learned I had already won. I'm glad you could find the time to monitor this string so thoroughly.

All kidding aside though... (The previous 3 paragraphs was just to annoy you... We needed to know how thick your skin is..) If you have the where-with-all to make a good recording we could have a blast having a contest here. Someone goes out and records things before they dig and then we all sit around here on a rainy day guessing which sound is which. I'm sure we could give a Raptor Shovel away or something exciting like that to the best score.