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Coin Masking - A Metal Detector Dilemma

king-ghidorah

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I found this article on the net, written by Larry E. Smith. He has many other good articles too.

"There are "NO" hunted-out metal detecting sites! In 39 years of hunting coins, relics and jewelry with metal detectors, I have continued to find valuable items on sites that I have hunted dozens of times. But, I am totally convinced that no area will be completed hunted and all good targets removed with the present limited capabilities of metal detectors. The major obstacle or dilemma in hunting-out a site is masking.

Masking is not a new concept in the metal detecting field, but probably one of the least known or least understood topics in the hobby. I discovered masking early in the 1970's when discriminate was added to detectors and I built my first test garden to practice on the varying signal types introduced through the medium of discrimination. Using high discrimination to get rid of those pesky pop tops and pull tabs, caused me to notice that some signals were mere blips but turned out to be good finds. By placing good targets next to junk targets, I noticed that standard and larger coils produced unusual signals or none at all, and I was missing the good targets. I took out my Fisher 441 all metal unit and could get readings on most of the good targets that were being masked by the tabs, pencil erasers, gum wrappers and buck shot that I had in my test garden. I decided to test out masking by going to a favorite site that always produced a few old keepers. The Fisher 441 was a great all metal detector with exceptional depth for the time period. I marked-off an area and hunted it using three different patterns and found piles of junk items and about 40 coins. I cleaned that area so well, that I called it my hunted out site. I did not go back there again for nearly 15 years, believing I got all the goodies that had been lost there. I so cleaned it out that none of my top line detectors received signals of any kind. I thought that I had licked the masking problem. I was recommending to all of our club members to use little or no discrimination and/or utilize a smaller coil to get around the masking.

During the mid 80's, I discovered the second type of masking. This menace is known as "silent" masking. Silent masking works this way. Bury a good target such as a silver dime, at three to eight inches deep. Use both all medal mode and discrimination to confirm the signal. Now take a very small staple or lead or steel buckshot and bury it on top of the dime at about one inch deep. This item will mask the dime in discrimination mode and even moving the item as much as four inches from center of the dime, will produce masking or cause the dime to read as a pull tab. Then, bury the staple or buck shot to three inches deep over the dime and something amazing happens. There will be complete silence and even changing to all metal mode will give only a chatter sound like ground minerals. What is taking place here is called inductive coupling. The eletromagnetic energy from the coil hits the small junk item producing an electromagntic halo around it. The signal strength is greatly reduced and in all probability will not reach the dime. Even if it does the signal will fail on the return path when it hits the halo again.

What does this really mean to the detectorist? Probably only about 25% of all coin targets in schools, stadiums, and ball fields have been recovered because of masking, silent masking and deep depths. No metal detector on the market today can see through iron. I further proved my postulate that no site is completely hunted-out. I took my Fisher Impluse, a pulse induction detector, and went back for a visit to my hunted out spot. I dug up over 300 targets including five old coins that were masked by this high amount of hidden trash that none of my conventional locators could even get a signal. Please do not go buy a PI detector to use as a coin shooter. Sixty to one odds of trash to coins will be greatly increased in most places to more than 100 to 1 odds. Remember, I had cleaned or sanitized this area with my conventional detectors more than 15 years earlier. These great detectors are not affected by mineralization or the medium between the detector and the target. Performance does not change whether detecting through air, water, silt, sand, or solid coral. However, using a PI as a coin shooter might shoot you down for a very long time as you will dig very deep and every few inches. Here's to "diggin it"! Larry"
 
That was a great article. I have a spot that I hunt on a regular basis and it is extremely trashy.Just about every time out I find a 100 year old coin and just about every time there is junk above or very near. I purposely look for older sites that are loaded with trash. These kind of places can be rewarding, but it isn't easy detecting. R.L.
 
RLOH said:
That was a great article. I have a spot that I hunt on a regular basis and it is extremely trashy.Just about every time out I find a 100 year old coin and just about every time there is junk above or very near. I purposely look for older sites that are loaded with trash. These kind of places can be rewarding, but it isn't easy detecting. R.L.

Most things in life are challenging. Very rarely it comes handed to you. In this day & age of discrimination , bells & whistle machines, people are relying to much on the machine and just want the easy finds and are probably missing out on so much more. It can lull us into a false sense of security. Even the new machines we have to day the user must educate himself about basic techniques. I was doing a beach this past Sunday night and as I was doing it someone started talking to me and they said this guy was doing this beach but yet I was finding nickel after nickel, quarter, etc. These were down there at least 6" and in a busy section of the main entrance to the beach. So in my mind I am thinking this guy just wants gold and is probably disc out just to save himself some time and digging trouble. He's going to miss some things because I do not use much disc(nail & crowncap) and hunt in FE mode with my SE. It was already dark and I was using my headlamp. I should have brought more food with me but I had to leave. I was starving and I am continually eating all the time so I was getting "low"
 
That makes me all the more interested in the Whites TDI...

J
 
jbow said:
That makes me all the more interested in the Whites TDI...

J

The Whites looks to be a promising machine in that area. They have some videos of it on YouTube but in one of them the tester was a MineLab man so it would be better if a Whites user tested it I think. The nuances of certain brands can make the difference between a so-so day verses an excellent one. It was still pulling out some deep coin though. In Computer Chess there is a program called Rybka and it is blowing away all the other programs by a good margin. This is a good thing because it is making the other programmers to work harder to perfect their program squeezing every ounce of performance making it the best for the consumer. Minelab is doing that now with the MD world. It will make the other MD companies that are coasting/producing to perfect their products even more and in the end WE benefit. Think about this too. How long have some of these other companies been around as compared to ML? Some are decades ahead yet ML has set some lofty precedents with good research and hard work. Doing whatever they have to do to accomplish it. Look at the auto industry. I drive the highway back and forth to work three times a week, 90 miles round trip and most cars on the highway are foreign. Why? The foreign cars are made better and have far less problems than American. Their mindset is different than ours. They are not so concerned with giving Johnny Beergut $25/hr so he can just cash his check and then forget about what he is supposed to be taking pride in. So you see headlines,"American Car Industry in trouble" Why? Because they have been sitting on their backside just coasting and not paying attention to quality AND people's needs. There are some good amercian models but they are far & few between. I will never buy American!

videos if White's TDI

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My concern in the second video is he is losing nickels so he will probably lose gold rings. Again a more seasoned White's user would be beneficial for this test
 
I've seen the first video i'll check the second.

I love my F-150, then again I love my Nissan P/U too... I am more comfortable in the F-150. It has just under 100k miles and the Nissan has over 250k miles. I hope the F-150 can do that too... but I sort of doubt it.

J
 
We all have sites we consider "worked out" Take off a couple three inches of dirt and it is incredible what turns up. It's not because of the depth, it's because 50 years of junk that was masking deeper targets got removed.

This is also why the explorers kicked so much as when the first came out. With a DD coil that little staple or BB that was masking the signal on a concentric didn't with the DD, as long as you hit the target from the right angle.

Chris
 
jbow said:
I've seen the first video i'll check the second.

I love my F-150, then again I love my Nissan P/U too... I am more comfortable in the F-150. It has just under 100k miles and the Nissan has over 250k miles. I hope the F-150 can do that too... but I sort of doubt it.

J

The F-150's are a good truck, built to last
 
Chris(SoCenWI) said:
We all have sites we consider "worked out" Take off a couple three inches of dirt and it is incredible what turns up. It's not because of the depth, it's because 50 years of junk that was masking deeper targets got removed.

This is also why the explorers kicked so much as when the first came out. With a DD coil that little staple or BB that was masking the signal on a concentric didn't with the DD, as long as you hit the target from the right angle.

Chris

Chris,
That is a good point you have there in the DD coils methodology.
 
King...It.s not really like that with american cars or trucks.....It has a lot to do with the person owning it...if you take car of it it will treat you good....

How many old nissans or old toyotas do you see on the roads....not many here at least in New England....they rotted all around the engine...disinergrated from rust cancer.

My 1993 chevy has just passed 200,000 and is running strong....Pick-up silverado....4.3 liter v-6.....I just change the oil religeousley....

so it is not really the car manufactures...it's the fat americans getting lazy......and blowing off the maintenance required....

You can't kill an old ford 300 straight 6...unless you starve it for oil.........:nopity:
 
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