Dave J. Question - Coin Machine?

[earthmansurfer]

The Omega 8000 is an incredible machine (and not just for the price) but many of us coin hunters feel a bit neglected here. The T2/ltd & F75/ltd detectors seem more like relic machines though they do very good on coins. (Ex T2 user here and I went to the Omega 8000 after having used a T2 for 3 years - and it only took me only one weekend of hunting with the Omega to make the decision.)

Are there plans for a high end coin machine?

 

[Dave J.]

If I say "yes" it only causes problems (people will want to know what and when, and I can't tell them).

If I say "no" that causes problems, too ("what, you're writing off a chunk of your loyal customer base?")

So I'll resort to standard boilerplate: "Our engineering department always has new products under development."

--Dave J.

 

[txquest]

Good answer. Txquest

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

Put a $1000 price tag on the Omega and you have your high end coin machine.

 

[Jay Evans]

lol, Very good answer....I believe the Omega will get some new tweaks soon, as the T2 has... in the LTD version..... All I know is I can't wait to swing the LTD and recheck some of my older sites again. I've been watching and reading this forum for quite a while & like what it brings to the table, in the way of everyone sharing their settings and experiences with all the First Texas products. That's what this hobby is all about good folks willing to share their experiences and learn a little more in the processes of their detectors. In First Texas, I see a company that listens to it's customers & continually works on something better in it's products. It's nice to see a properly moderated forum like this one as well.

 

[earthmansurfer]

Put a $1000 price tag on the Omega and you have your high end coin machine.

I'm not paying $1000 for the Omega with it's build and we shouldn't have to. In particular I'm talking about those flat plastic buttons. They have a really cheap feel to them. Put some real buttons or switches that give a quality feel and better control. Put a trigger pinpoint on it. Add some fineness of control to the knobs. And put a backlight on it too. Do something with that super thin clear plastic faceplate. These changes will not have to add any noticeable weight.

I can't argue that the performance is $1000, it is but not the build. There are some absolutely great features on the unit but areas that they know can be improved upon. There is also pride from the manufacturers end. Let's build a unit that performs in the field and has a solid and great feel/look to it.

If we are paying then don't settle for less.

Thanks Dave for your reply. We all look forward to that new unit when it arrives.

 

[Elton]

The Omega 8000 is an incredible machine (and not just for the price) but many of us coin hunters feel a bit neglected here. The T2/ltd & F75/ltd detectors seem more like relic machines though they do very good on coins. (Ex T2 user here and I went to the Omega 8000 after having used a T2 for 3 years - and it only took me only one weekend of hunting with the Omega to make the decision.)

Are there plans for a high end coin machine?

It's no secret I love the T2.... Why do you like the Omega better ??

What does it do for coin hunting the T2 doesn't do ?

What is the depth difference of the two.... The T2 is really deep.... Is the Omega as deep ?? is it deeper ??....

How does the target sounds compare with the T2... ???

 

[earthmansurfer]

Quite simply the Omega is a better coin machine. That is what I use it for. It see's through iron a lot better than the T2, I am convinced of it and I'm almost sure I heard Dave J. say so too, though he said it was a little better in iron. I do think it's a lot better in iron. I do believe that the T2 is deeper as most say but I have found deeper coins with the Omega. I found more coins with the Omega in my first two times out than any time out in 3 years with the T2. And, many of those coins were deep in iron in a place I went through many times with the T2. I started to find more coins beyond 3"- 4" than with my T2. I don't know why though. The area I hunt is full of iron (everywhere in N

 

[Elton]

thought I had decided "NO" and just use the T2, and or F75. I noticed Jim TN is liking the Omega too.

Good thing is I have all winter to decide..in a few more weeks we won't be detecting here.. by the end of October it may be snowing..Maybe before. Has hit us a little as early as Oct 8th...............

 

[jim tn]

come Nov. and beyond, come on down this way. The only thing that stops me from getting out during the winter is the rain.I know a relic spot or two for you, we can compare all our detectors and after the hunt. Elton, I haven't had a T 2 now for about a year, but I do know in my area the Omega is not quite as deep as the T 2 was nor my F 75's. I have got to state, though, on the trashy sites I frequent the Omega is pulling out coins that were left behind with my other detectors. If I had been using those detectors on those days, who knows if they would have hit those coins that day? I know my LTD pretty good, so I don't have a problem with with the somewhat bouncy vdi readings at depth. The Omega, however, does lock on better and has a very accurate vid. For me, the Omega and Ltd compliment each other. Anyway, El, whats another detector in your arsenal? HH jim tn

 

[Elton]

sorry double post.I am on wireless and it works a little different from desk top..very sensitive to response on posting..one little brush and it's gone to the forum

 

[Elton]

seems they have that FT trait of working just abit different detector to detector...I have thought about it a lot..I will stick with the T2 or F75's model..

But my all time favorite will always be the T2... " It just works best for me"..... (I may take you up on that invite JIM.).... I might trade something off for a good working Omega ..?????? with extra coils just to try it my self......... "wishy washy ain't I" sometimes you just gotta have it in your hand to get a real ya or nay..

 

[jim tn]

Well, you know my initial thoughts and I must admit, I am now doing a complete 180. (When you get serious we'll find a spot 1/2 way in between) I am thinking about doing some side by sides next week, but when I say that I think about the time it takes to do it and i could miss out on a silver or two. HH jim tn

 

[Furious T]

Elton, I think we all have one (or maybe two) detectors that we really feel comfortable with and that we really interact well with. I love my Omega, and Whilst I have only had it about 8 months (my, time goes quickly) I am getting to know it better. But I also have other detectors which I like just as much, and also feel very comfortable with, and which I can pick up and get into the groove with them in a few minutes. Sounds like you have similar relationships with your T2 and F75ltd. Hope that you can get in some quality time with them before winter arrives....we are just heading into Spring, which has been pretty soggy so far, compared with the last ten years, anyhow. HH

 

[Elton]

and miss some good signals. I have always found that the only true place to compare a detector is a buried for at least 5 years test garden.. Measured coin depths that are dead on... Out in the field you never really know what you will hit, never really know if your hitting the exact same spot if you switch off on detectors. Never really know how each detector responds to different things.. Your omega may love nickles..your F75 might not, or small dime size targets..who knows..All I know is unless you carry both detectors, do the same speed sweep, same exact setup, and on two different detectors you just can't do that..It's just a guess on the swingers part of whats better , the same, or not, whats deeper, etc..etc etc... You would even be guessing the sensitivity because if you set the Omega at 2, and your F75 at 2 it does not mean both are set identical on depth capabilities. . Not all adjustments are the same on every pod or digital detector..Even the GB has different values on each detector..some 5 settings with each number. Some 10..you know what I mean..

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Interesting thread. I too have felt that FT has heavily catered to the relic crowd, leaving the coin shooting crowd to drool over the deep silver hunting capabilities of the aussies brainchild.

I took a chance with the F75 LTD and jumped on the first release hoping to get an edge on the Minelab crowd for deep silver turf hunting, but it wasn't to be. The F75 LTD would make a killer relic hunter, but it's not a great deep turf silver hunter for silver coins sized under a quarter (dimes and half dimes in particular). I've found that the Omega is a far better silver coin hunter, but it doesn't have the power/depth of the F75 LTD or my trusty old CZ70. Give me an Omega with the power and boost mode of the F75 LTD (and please don't limit the boost mode to two tones like the T2 LTD), a trigger, and a back light and my faith that FT cares about it's high end coin shooting segment of customers will be restored. In the meantime, I'll probably be trying out a nice shinny new Etrac pretty soon

HH,
Brian

 

[jim tn]

You are so right, E;ton, and probably the reasons why I never carry two detectors afield to try comparing. The Omega, though, is proving itself to be a great coin shooter and that is 90 % of my hunting. HH jim tn

 

[earthmansurfer]

I hunted for about 3 hours today with the 4" coil for the first time. I will post about that, but one negative thing about the Omega compared to the T2 and this is almost odd - The Omega sees through iron better but it also falses on it more. I am starting to understand the falses better and I think it's worse with the 4" than the 11". Anyone know why regarding these last two points?

 

[jbow]

Even when FT comes out with your dream deep silver machine... you will likely keep the E-TRAC and I am a dedicated Fisher/Teknetics customer. I have an F75 LTD, a T2, an Omega-8000 and plan on getting a G2 as soon as I can... and I had an original F75, I only sold it because a friend of mine loved it so much I couldn't deny him... he still loves it... BUT... the E-TRAC is, besides being an easy to learn all-around machine, a specialty detector. It will unmask good targets like nothing I have ever seen if you understand it's strength and use it and NEVER try to make it be an Explorer.

The G2 may change everything though... time will tell. Some say the T2 is a better coin machine than the F75... I ain't sure.

I do have something you can try. Try the F75 LTD in disc=0, tone=1 and the sensitivity so that it has minimal falsing, unless you are used to the falsing... then max it. Or you can use BP in AM mode... especially with the 5" coil.. it is very quiet with max sens and 0 disc using the 5" coil... and deep too.

The E-TRACs strength is its ability to pull out masked targets by giving a peep from one direction along with a correct conductive number... some people have been finding that the F75 LTD unmasks well in iron with the disc=0 and by noting the TID of the common iron at a site, then watching for numbers still in the iron range but above or below the range of the common iron but you must use 1-tone or the F75 will default to disc=15 because all other tone settings will give an iron grunt on 15 and below. It is worth a try and should be fun. I am going out to try it at a couple of places this PM or tomorrow. One I have personally "hunted out"... but I still find stuff if I look hard enough, the other place is a park built on a CW era RR depot. I am going to try the T2, F75 LTD, and the Omega with the 10" coil, i've only used the 11" on it so far... but I am going to especially work the iron range after getting a good idea of where the common iron (mostly cut square nails at the one site) read. Goin to dig everything above or below that range. I got this confirmed and refined by someone (Critterhunter I think) that he actually found, at one particular site, that the most non-ferrous signals recovered this way were below the TID of the common iron. IIRC he said that most of the iron read between 7 and 10, non-ferrous was being dug at 11-15 and 1 to 6... with more coming from 1-6. I may be off by a number or two but you get the idea. 2F is good but not on masked targets... this may help, I don't know but I am goingto try it.
FWIW, Elton is a firm believer that the T2 is a better coin huner than the F75.

Heck, you probably already know all this... (I forgot who I was talking to) maybe it will benefit someone else though!

If you get that ET... forget conductive/multi and try ferrous/2-tone. I'll try to uploada copy or Jason's relic pattern. I use it on both conductive and ferrous sounds. The ET will perform better with some disc, an open screen will not unmask targets. IT will find targets but not masked targets because the iron will be prominant with no disc... but you don't need much.... and the conductive number never lies on the ET.

Still, I am pretty sure that my "go to" detectors for this coming season will be the O8K and G2 and sometimes the LTD. I really want to try a T2 LTD even though BP only works in 2+.. it crosses over and works in AM and AM is quieter on an LTD especially with the 5" coil.

I LOVE detectors!!! there is always something new to learn about them... even the ones you know like the back of your hand.

J

 

[Elton]

is only seeing the target under the coil..whereas the 11DD will see a bigger area and hit on the good and bad target at the same time..If Omega is like all other F75, T2, F70 etc etc it up averages what it sees in your processor..So you may get a higher reading rather than an iron reading.. so not as many iron readings out right on the id or response..