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Deep coins

mascard1

Active member
I run my equinox in park 2...sens 23...50 tones... you really have to listen to all the noise and pick thought it... the way the tones mix is a trip.... I do dig more nails than with the 3030 and Etrac... it’s just sorta fun to use the equinox...I almost think you have to dig some nails with this one... to get the Deep coins!
 

u2robert

Well-known member
I run my equinox in park 2...sens 23...50 tones... you really have to listen to all the noise and pick thought it... the way the tones mix is a trip.... I do dig more nails than with the 3030 and Etrac... it’s just sorta fun to use the equinox...I almost think you have to dig some nails with this one... to get the Deep coins!
Yep, the deep rusty nails are tricky but if you just dig the solid locked on targets rusty nails are gone. Iffy jump around numbers odds are it's trash junk iron
But sometime you just got to dig them I do more than I like can't help myself afraid I will miss something good.
 

Coin Magnet

Member
Yep, the deep rusty nails are tricky but if you just dig the solid locked on targets rusty nails are gone. Iffy jump around numbers odds are it's trash junk iron
But sometime you just got to dig them I do more than I like can't help myself afraid I will miss something good.
Actually that’s not true. Coins at the edge of the detectors capabilities with read all over the map. The one thing they won’t do is go negative. So when you hit those jumpy iffy barely recognizable signals, dig!

I just dug my deepest quarter and it was just like that. Once I dug the hole the signal went away. I kept digging and finally got it on my probe. I took one more shovel down and it popped out. A dateless SLQ that was at least 14”. I was using the 15” coil.
 

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BigTony

Well-known member
Actually that’s not true. Coins at the edge of the detectors capabilities with read all over the map. The one thing they won’t do is go negative. So when you hit those jumpy iffy barely recognizable signals, dig!

I just dug my deepest quarter and it was just like that. Once I dug the hole the signal went away. I kept digging and finally got it on my probe. I took one more shovel down and it popped out. A dateless SLQ that was at least 14”. I was using the 15” coil.
Robert, were those jumpy numbers high in the 29 to 31 range?

Tony
 

u2robert

Well-known member
Actually that’s not true. Coins at the edge of the detectors capabilities with read all over the map. The one thing they won’t do is go negative. So when you hit those jumpy iffy barely recognizable signals, dig!

I just dug my deepest quarter and it was just like that. Once I dug the hole the signal went away. I kept digging and finally got it on my probe. I took one more shovel down and it popped out. A dateless SLQ that was at least 14”. I was using the 15” coil.
I was not talking target at the edge of detecting depth.
usually I don't get an ID reading at the edge of detecting depth just sound?
 

jayhop

Active member
I run my equinox in park 2...sens 23...50 tones... you really have to listen to all the noise and pick thought it... the way the tones mix is a trip.... I do dig more nails than with the 3030 and Etrac... it’s just sorta fun to use the equinox...I almost think you have to dig some nails with this one... to get the Deep coins!
When swinging over 10-11 inch coins, while walking in a circle, in my test garden, They sound like iron for about 60% of the circle.
So deep nonferrous targets will sound like ferrous targets at the right angle.
I have also found this to be true while in the field.
As for the 3030, yes I dig more rusted square nails with the equinox by a long shot.
The advantage I have over some is that I mainly hunt farm fields and I can quickly dig and not have to worry about plugs in a yard or park.
And in my experience Park 1 gives a more stable ID than Park 2.
Park 2 seems to have a better audio report but on my 10 inch dime the VDI bounces into the single digits.
While the VDI in Park 1 jumps a little high but is more stable.
I know some will have a different experience but that's mine.
 

Coin Magnet

Member
When swinging over 10-11 inch coins, while walking in a circle, in my test garden, They sound like iron for about 60% of the circle.
So deep nonferrous targets will sound like ferrous targets at the right angle.
I have also found this to be true while in the field.
As for the 3030, yes I dig more rusted square nails with the equinox by a long shot.
The advantage I have over some is that I mainly hunt farm fields and I can quickly dig and not have to worry about plugs in a yard or park.
And in my experience Park 1 gives a more stable ID than Park 2.
Park 2 seems to have a better audio report but on my 10 inch dime the VDI bounces into the single digits.
While the VDI in Park 1 jumps a little high but is more stable.
I know some will have a different experience but that's mine.
When you say “sound like iron” what do you mean? I hunt mainly fields as well and if I get a signal to shut off the threshold tone I call it iron and move on. If there is a coin mixed in it will have a short tone path that can be hard to figure out. And it’s especially hard when hunting a plowed, chisled or disced field that isn’t flat with a bunch of corn stalk and even bean stalks standing up.
 

jayhop

Active member
When you say “sound like iron” what do you mean? I hunt mainly fields as well and if I get a signal to shut off the threshold tone I call it iron and move on. If there is a coin mixed in it will have a short tone path that can be hard to figure out. And it’s especially hard when hunting a plowed, chisled or disced field that isn’t flat with a bunch of corn stalk and even bean stalks standing up.
I hunt in Park 1 with no threshold tone.
I have my iron tone set at 1 and iron volume at 1.
What I mean when I say they sound like iron is that they sound totally like an iron target (negative numbers), or that they should like a possibility nonferrous target with a lot of iron grunts also.
I have dug many ferrous targets that sounded like the latter I described. I have also dug nonferrous that sounded identical.
The bottom line is if you want those deep coins you are going to dig a lot of square nails and such.
One last thing is that the deep coins will have a solid nonferrous tone at some angle in the circle. That is 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock or 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock and so on. But so do some nonferrous targets. The target that gives me the worst problem is a square nail that's about an inch or so long and totally crusted over in rust.
Again this is my experience in the field and in my test garden on 10 to 11 inch coins.
 
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IowaRelic

Well-known member
Perhaps the OP needs to mess with iron bias a little bit until he’s used to how it acts on deep iron. Use FE 0 instead of F2. I’ve been doing fine on deep 10-12” bullets using FE 0 and yes I get a good amount of iron tones on any small target that deep. You just understand that it’s deep so it’s worth digging. When the depth meter is max out and the pinpoint is a small radius I dig regardless of tone and ID. Found a lot of non ferrous in the 12” range doing this.
 

jayhop

Active member
Perhaps the OP needs to mess with iron bias a little bit until he’s used to how it acts on deep iron. Use FE 0 instead of F2. I’ve been doing fine on deep 10-12” bullets using FE 0 and yes I get a good amount of iron tones on any small target that deep. You just understand that it’s deep so it’s worth digging. When the depth meter is max out and the pinpoint is a small radius I dig regardless of tone and ID. Found a lot of non ferrous in the 12” range doing this.
I agree with, a good amount of iron tones on deep targets.
The thing is that at certain angles they report a solid ferrous tone and negative numbers.
What bothers me is that I see videos where people talk about checking at a second angle, and if it doesn't sound like a good nonferrous at the second angle don't dig.
I know that may be ok for beginners to keep from getting frustrated from digging a lot of iron, but it's not for someone that's serious about finding deep nonferrous targets.
 

IowaRelic

Well-known member
I agree with, a good amount of iron tones on deep targets.
The thing is that at certain angles they report a solid ferrous tone and negative numbers.
What bothers me is that I see videos where people talk about checking at a second angle, and if it doesn't sound like a good nonferrous at the second angle don't dig.
I know that may be ok for beginners to keep from getting frustrated from digging a lot of iron, but it's not for someone that's serious about finding deep nonferrous targets.
Agreed. Hunting deep targets is its own type of work. Not very often is a clean target from multiple angles. I use the pinpoint as a tool more than the rotation on the NOx. I always try my luck at a site when somethings deep.
 

sube

Well-known member
I agree with jayhop on square nails standing straight up small 1 inch pieces square nail heads and just about any other small iron that pinpoints small and high tones.
Yes coins do sound like iron when there deep and consumed by the depth of dirt above them even coins by themselves it's all that dirt between you and the coin not allowing an ID.
So what to do you may not like the answer but stick with me i have always hunted the thrashes spots that i can find 6 inch coil 95 percent of the time . You all have chased that little iron that high tones short 1 inch nails at depth that high tone .Then you dig
and dig only to end up with that stinking little piece of crap .
Now that you got that stinking little piece of iron you pass it over your coil and it grunts or the machine go's silent (LIKE IT SUPPOSE TO DO) well what happened it's the dirt you don't have 8 inches of dirt over it now the machine can ID.

Here's what i do like i said you may not like this but well save hours of chasing crap .
Pinpoint as good as you can said target very important.
Now that you are committed to dig because it's such a great high tone at depth ID or not.
Lets dig a 8 inch round plug 5 to 6 inches deep a flap plug.
Stick that 6 inch in that hole now your 5 to 6 inches closer you should be able to get a better ID 3 things well happen.
1 Target gone or in plug and gone if it's small iron the machine is (DOING WHAT IT"S SUPPOSE TO DO)
2 It grunts like a bullfrog on a hot night or silent (why) less dirt over it.
3 It sings sweet music of a coin hit and IDS right because the detector does not have to deal with 5 or 6 inches of more dirt over it.

Is this perfect he?? no your still going to end up with some pretty square nail pieces but you won't be carting a bag full of them around all day
As you can see using a 11 inch head isn't going to do in this type of hunt.

There are better machine for hunting deep ctx which i prefer it has a feature that let's you put it in pitchold where said target only has to break the threshold and gives a low pitch for iron and high for silver and hold pitch till next target .You don't get a ID on super deep coins but you get tone ID 50 tone.
Yes you still get falsing on some small iron at depth but getting closer is key lot's of toys to check iron on the old ctx. sube
 
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jayhop

Active member
I agree with jayhop on square nails standing straight up small 1 inch pieces square nail heads and just about any other small iron that pinpoints small and high tones.
Yes coins do sound like iron when there deep and consumed by the depth of dirt above them even coins by themselves it's all that dirt between you and the coin not allowing an ID.
So what to do you may not like the answer but stick with me i have always hunted the thrashes spots that i can find 6 inch coil 95 percent of the time . You all have chased that little iron that high tones short 1 inch nails at depth that high tone .Then you dig
and dig only to end up with that stinking little piece of crap .
Now that you got that stinking little piece of iron you pass it over your coil and it grunts or the machine go's silent (LIKE IT SUPPOSE TO DO) well what happened it's the dirt you don't have 8 inches of dirt over it now the machine can ID.

Here's what i do like i said you may not like this but well save hours of chasing crap .
Pinpoint as good as you can said target very important.
Now that you are committed to dig because it's such a great high tone at depth ID or not.
Lets dig a 8 inch round plug 5 to 6 inches deep a flap plug.
Stick that 6 inch in that hole now your 5 to 6 inches closer you should be able to get a better ID 3 things well happen.
1 Target gone or in plug and gone if it's small iron the machine is (DOING WHAT IT"S SUPPOSE TO DO)
2 It grunts like a bullfrog on a hot night or silent (why) less dirt over it.
3 It sings sweet music of a coin hit and IDS right because the detector does not have to deal with 5 or 6 inches of more dirt over it.

Is this perfect he?? no your still going to end up with some pretty square nail pieces but you won't be carting a bag full of them around all day
As you can see using a 11 inch head isn't going to do in this type of hunt.

There are better machine for hunting deep ctx which i prefer it has a feature that let's you put it in pitchold where said target only has to break the threshold and gives a low pitch for iron and high for silver and hold pitch till next target .You don't get a ID on super deep coins but you get tone ID 50 tone.
Yes you still get falsing on some small iron at depth but getting closer is key lot's of toys to check iron on the old ctx. sube
You did lose me a little but I think I've got it.
Move some dirt from over the target.
I agree, that's what I do most of the time on iffy signals.
There is one thing though about a signal going silent. I've seen people on videos dig a target and then claim it disappeared.
I'm not saying it can't happen in some soil types but normally it is one or two things.
One is that the target is in the loose dirt in the bottom of the hole. I love when that happens, then I scoop out that little bit of dirt and there it is.
Second is that the signal was iron that sounded like a nonferrous. And once some dirt is removed there is no signal if iron is decriminated out or it sounds like iron if in all metal and now the nonferrous signal has mysteriously disappeared.
 

Mkus

Well-known member
Actually that’s not true. Coins at the edge of the detectors capabilities with read all over the map. The one thing they won’t do is go negative. So when you hit those jumpy iffy barely recognizable signals, dig!

I just dug my deepest quarter and it was just like that. Once I dug the hole the signal went away. I kept digging and finally got it on my probe. I took one more shovel down and it popped out. A dateless SLQ that was at least 14”. I was using the 15” coil.
Yep it’s what I do and a lot of times I have a rusty nail in with a coin!
Mark
 

IDXMonster

Well-known member
Good info and ideas here guys, I’ve definitely used the “coil down in the hole trick” with the 6” coil, and it makes a lot of sense to do so! The closer you can get the coil to the suspected target, the more you’re helping the machine to do what it’s supposed to do. Gotta dig a big enough plug where you can actually at least wiggle the coil down there, so an 8” initial plug is what I do when after a suspected DEEP target amidst the heavy trash. Obviously, if I’m going deep and I’m NOT in dense trash, I’m not using the 6” coil, or for that matter, the EQX at all.
 

MackDog

Member
When you run the Knox in 50 tones all metal go slow enough to hear the tone of each target. If you get a high tone pinpoint to center that target under the coil. Then go over it again and then turn 1/4 turn and go over it again. If the signal maintains a good signal then dig it. If it's a good signal with iron it will still be steady but may sound crunchy. Since getting the Knox 2 years ago, I have dug 1000"s of iffy signals and not had any good targets. It its a good target it will stay steady when you turn on it. Good luck
 

BigTony

Well-known member
When you run the Knox in 50 tones all metal go slow enough to hear the tone of each target. If you get a high tone pinpoint to center that target under the coil. Then go over it again and then turn 1/4 turn and go over it again. If the signal maintains a good signal then dig it. If it's a good signal with iron it will still be steady but may sound crunchy. Since getting the Knox 2 years ago, I have dug 1000"s of iffy signals and not had any good targets. It its a good target it will stay steady when you turn on it. Good luck
I don’t use 50 tones and I can say for 5 tones it isn’t always true.
I had a good tone high numbers in 4khz, switched to Multi and got a crappy sound and crappy numbers - teens to 22.
4khz said quarter - I dug and got the quarter, I was happy to say the least. But I have to say even this method doesn’t always work
Tony
 

jayhop

Active member
When you run the Knox in 50 tones all metal go slow enough to hear the tone of each target. If you get a high tone pinpoint to center that target under the coil. Then go over it again and then turn 1/4 turn and go over it again. If the signal maintains a good signal then dig it. If it's a good signal with iron it will still be steady but may sound crunchy. Since getting the Knox 2 years ago, I have dug 1000"s of iffy signals and not had any good targets. It its a good target it will stay steady when you turn on it. Good luck
I hate to disagree but I do.
We are taking about deep coins. I consider a deep coin to be 10 inches or better.
I'm not saying this will be so 100 percent of the time but some (most in my experience)deep coins will sound like a complete ferrous targets when you do the 1/4 turn. I've tested this with several different machines.
And when you watch videos of some YouTubers doing test on deep coins you will see they have to swing in a certain direction to get the nonferrous signal.
If anyone doesn't believe this you should do the test yourself.
CTX 3030, 2 Garrett AT Pros, 3 different Equinox 800s and Simplex all gave the same results. Yes the Simplex did detect the 10 to 11 in coins but just barely. And two friends were swinging the AT Pros.
But all got a good nonferrous signal in one direction and a ferrous on the turn.
 
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