Who are you to argue with???? because I don't think anyone on here thinks they are a pro....... but some how..... you do........... argue, I believe you have some deep need to be the "go to guy". As for you posting "your" experiences with the Explorers...you don't post your experience, instead you either repost something some one else has mentioned or you misquote some one else's opinion such as Charles NY, or the manual that came with the machine. That article of Charles' about gain was, I believe, for the EX 2 and published prior to the SE ever coming out, as you know, there are worlds of differences between the machines. And if you are not finding coins at ten inches with your gain at lower than 7 then there is something a miss with your machine because in ten states now, with two different SE's, I have no such problem. Am I just lucky?? Or are you just unlucky? Or is there maybe a setting on your machine that isn't quite correct?? Is your volume limit set to max 10 or maybe is it set to 8 and therefore you are loosing the faint signals at a gain of 5? Are you in auto sens or manual? It makes a difference. "A gain less than 7 will cause you to miss those sweet soft signals" is an ignorant statement sir. I enjoy your posts Bob but it irks me to no end when people post stuff as "their experiences" when they are just copying other posts. When I first got my SE, I thought there was something wrong with it because of Peoples posts about laying coins on the ground, a dime, nickle, quarter, penny; all, six inches apart and in a straight line. They posted that the SE would signal on the first target and not signal on the others as you swept the coil over them, because of this, the posters said they had to send back 2 or 3 machines until they "got one that worked or ML fixed it" Because of those posts, I and many others who tried that experiment found out "hey, mine is broken too"!!!! Well guess what? Every SE, EX1, and EX2 will do the exact same thing...it will fail that test miserably, because that is what is supposed to happen on a air test at that close of a spacing. There is nothing wrong with any of the machines. Those machines will hit on all those targets if they were underground, at the same spacing for any appreciable length of time to achieve a halo effect, because that is what the machine is designed to do, find targets in mineralized soil, not in the air. But because one person said it, five hundred machines were sent in. Like your stock coil horrible story; your quotes and others......"FBS Slimline piece of junk", "throw it in a field like a Frisbee" "get the old 1050" Now, I have two of the FBS Slimline 10's and both work perfectly. I am just bloody surprised Mine Lab or the dealers who get back machines and coils because of certain peoples irresponsible, want to be a know it all, parroting posts, I am surprised that they don't toss these offenders right off their, that they paid for: Find mall and save themselves the hassle. How many coils have you caused ML to take back BOB. How many untold pains in the ass and long pointless telephone conversations with their once happy now upset customers because of this crap. Are you really that sure it was two different coils, both bad, BOB??? Now, I don't doubt that you might have gotten a bad coil, but the concept of all FBS Slimline tens being bad and only the old 1050 works on your machine is just BS. Do you have any idea what cause and effect is? I too, am guilty of this myself, but not because someone else said something that I then decided to repeat like a want to be clapped for parrot, but because it really actually happened to me, PERIOD. I would love to read YOUR posts BOB, not your copied from others posts, they're like rumors and your the fifteenth person telling it. If you have something to add to one of my posts or answers to another post just please make it from YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, but like you said, and I quote ......"and also use the ML 800. As I don't hunt real trashy areas." You don't hunt really trashy areas, Bob????? So much for that experience thing, huh? See Bob, I am a little sensitive to these "statements" as they are not adding to people's understanding or ability with their machines but subtracting from them, and that is a shame.