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Manticore Depth Test Result - Not too impressed

Never changed the rods on mine but made brackets to fit the control boxes under the armrest..........made them a lot nicer to swing.I'm in the UK and found my oldest ever coin with the Nauti,amongst many other great finds.I'd buy one tomorrow if they ever started making them again.There was a bit of support for them over here at one stage but that ended unfortunately.
 
Man I gotta chime in boys. I have been a sovereign user for over 25 years. Have figure how to waterproof them fairly easily. Now I am not saying diving but in the waves and dunking the unit with no ill effects. Total investment maybe 300.00. Last summer everyone on the beach had the new magical manticore. Man they were leaving zinc pennies all over the place. I easily dug close to 300 in a few days. So I decide to buy one. Bad mistake for me. I got a simple mind and all this new tech is not for me. Fiddling and fuckin around with buttons and screens drove me crazy. This and that setting I couldn't take it anymore. Sold the damn thing off. Went back to my trusty Sov arsenal and couldn't be happier. Beep and dig no fussin about. As far as I am concerned Minelab should have continued with their BBS technology.. Simple and effective. I work in all-metal, hit a target check it in discriminate if there is any tone I dig. Works good for me. Just my personal opinion. God bless
 
I'm guilty of falling for all the advertisement and the hype of the latest and greatest. All the money I spent is ridiculous. I've owned over a dozen different detectors from all the leading manufacturers, Minelab, XP, Nokta, etc., but after buying and selling, after all these years I still have my customized Sovereign GT. That and my modified Excal that I used to have, found the best of my finds out of almost 50 years of being in the hobby. Some were OK, and some had interesting features, but I agree. Unless you have a through understanding of the machine, and had all the settings perfect, then you were actually reducing the performance.
To this day, if we have a storm that produces big waves on the east coast of Florida, I don't feel comfortable taking any other detector with me than the one that I know and trust the most, and that is still the Sovereign GT, because I know what it can do, and what I have found in the past.
Additionally, I don't have 20 settings that I have to verify. I just turn the detector on, maybe adjust a few knobs, and I'm off.
Instead of worrying about my settings, I'm enjoying myself and finding targets as deep as I care to dig, and very nice ones at least a foot deep. Plus, I don't dig as much little junk targets, can slaw, and bottle caps as I would using a different machine. So I agree totally from years of experience.
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Man I gotta chime in boys. I have been a sovereign user for over 25 years. Have figure how to waterproof them fairly easily. Now I am not saying diving but in the waves and dunking the unit with no ill effects. Total investment maybe 300.00. Last summer everyone on the beach had the new magical manticore. Man they were leaving zinc pennies all over the place. I easily dug close to 300 in a few days. So I decide to buy one. Bad mistake for me. I got a simple mind and all this new tech is not for me. Fiddling and fuckin around with buttons and screens drove me crazy. This and that setting I couldn't take it anymore. Sold the damn thing off. Went back to my trusty Sov arsenal and couldn't be happier. Beep and dig no fussin about. As far as I am concerned Minelab should have continued with their BBS technology.. Simple and effective. I work in all-metal, hit a target check it in discriminate if there is any tone I dig. Works good for me. Just my personal opinion. God bless
There is absolutely the phenomenon of “too much choice”. I have been at the store before and decided to see if they had an item. Turns out they had multiple/many versions of these items and after going back and forth amongst the choices I wound up not buying anything! It’s not that I didn’t want it, it’s that the process of deciding WHICH one became more work than the item was worth having. Crazy? It’s a real thing, and indecision can be a huge time waster and hunt killer when it comes to detectors. I’ve always believed that it is WAY better to come up with a set of settings to hunt for exactly what you’re looking for and do NOT mess with it except for the big settings….GB, sens, etc. I have also found that sweep speed and technique are overlooked to the point where “extra settings” can’t make up for it. I have watched COUNTLESS videos where people skip 1/2 the ground they’re hunting, and then are amazed when they come back and find other things later. Was it the extra choice of settings? In SOME cases it can be. Truth be told, I believe any mid high range machine made after around 2000 can see most targets others will see. What percentage? Not sure, it’s just a gut feeling. I’ve found plenty with my current new machine that I didn’t find before, but I don’t know the specific reason why. A machine that you’re really comfortable with SHOULD produce more because you have that connection with the language of it. Might another machine see more things because of the operating system or the overall technology is different? Perhaps, but not with an operator who doesn’t like using it, IMO
 
Or that the Equinox was going to obsolete all other detectors.:LOL: I think the 50 % is 50% more BS than they laid on us in the past. I don't think the Manticore made the splash they thought it would. I read most of the forums and only see a handful of Manticore users posting. I don't do Facebook or other like media so maybe there are more users than I realize. To me it seems the D2 and even the Legend are out pacing it. When was the last time you saw specials on a supposedly flagship machine before it was out less than a year ? And a 25 % price increase, Please.
Very few people post about their finds because then everyone in town would be in their spot.I does not matter what machine is used, like others have said, I also do not use social media, for the life of me I cannot understand why anyone will post every detail about their life, then cry when a negative comment is made.
 
There is absolutely the phenomenon of “too much choice”. I have been at the store before and decided to see if they had an item. Turns out they had multiple/many versions of these items and after going back and forth amongst the choices I wound up not buying anything! It’s not that I didn’t want it, it’s that the process of deciding WHICH one became more work than the item was worth having. Crazy? It’s a real thing, and indecision can be a huge time waster and hunt killer when it comes to detectors. I’ve always believed that it is WAY better to come up with a set of settings to hunt for exactly what you’re looking for and do NOT mess with it except for the big settings….GB, sens, etc. I have also found that sweep speed and technique are overlooked to the point where “extra settings” can’t make up for it. I have watched COUNTLESS videos where people skip 1/2 the ground they’re hunting, and then are amazed when they come back and find other things later. Was it the extra choice of settings? In SOME cases it can be. Truth be told, I believe any mid high range machine made after around 2000 can see most targets others will see. What percentage? Not sure, it’s just a gut feeling. I’ve found plenty with my current new machine that I didn’t find before, but I don’t know the specific reason why. A machine that you’re really comfortable with SHOULD produce more because you have that connection with the language of it. Might another machine see more things because of the operating system or the overall technology is different? Perhaps, but not with an operator who doesn’t like using it, IMO
This is very true, I just made a comment about missing targets in another topic, physically being able to see a coin, but the machine(s) did not. Which is why when you go back over the area, you find more.
 
I can say with confidence that i do dig less rubbish with manticore , There are improvements to be seen. The speed of response between targets is extremely good IMHO.
I fitted a folding mechanism on mine and it is super slim when folded, slides into XP 280 Backpack like a snake, easily fits in the 280 backpack just like a d2 does.
Guys hunting junky sites will recover a lot more with Manticore. This is where it is shining on the junky sites.
Agree to disagree. I like the Manticore, mostly because of the screen, but it is always a judgement call. Everyone says to only dig round objects on the center line, I have dug blobs, with jumpy numbers,, above the line only to find multiple coins, makes you wonder if the manticore was worth the price. It also has passed good targets (wheat cents) that could be seen with my eyeball, just because it was surrounded by nails. It has done this in both somewhat clean parks to trashy old home sites, newer coins and older coins, as well as the legend.
I personally do not believe any of these newer multi freq. machines are any better than what I was using 20 years ago, in fact they may be worse than what I was using, the only benefit is they are lighter.
 
Each detector manufacturer is going to make a claim of better this, and better that. In the end, we always find out they pretty much all share the same limited technology, just used in different ways, for the most part. These differences can make a difference depending on the conditions. You get to choose which you feel will do the best job for your needs. The manticore does break from the standard with the 2D screen. It may not be perfect, but it is a beginning.
 
Processing my friend. Target separation is thru the roof. JMO
This is where the manticore has impressed me. Just to be clear for comparison sake, I have owned and used a Deus XP (first gen), Minelab Explorer SE, Nokta Anfibio, Fisher F75, Teknetics T2, CZ-5, Whites Spectrum XLT, Tesoro Cortes, Minelab Excalibur, and a Tesoro tiger shark (along with lower end models). The Explorer SE has routinely found targets at roughly 16” for me. I think we are at the point with detectors where depth is not really a factor anymore. What impressed me most about the manticore is its ability to separate targets and identify each. I frequently see three targets under the same coil swing and can frequently/accurately identify what they are with one major exception…. I hate that dimes and pennies are almost impossible to tell apart on the manticore when my explorer SE does it with ease. Target separation is the strongest attribute to the manticore in my humble opinion.
 
This is where the manticore has impressed me. Just to be clear for comparison sake, I have owned and used a Deus XP (first gen), Minelab Explorer SE, Nokta Anfibio, Fisher F75, Teknetics T2, CZ-5, Whites Spectrum XLT, Tesoro Cortes, Minelab Excalibur, and a Tesoro tiger shark (along with lower end models). The Explorer SE has routinely found targets at roughly 16” for me. I think we are at the point with detectors where depth is not really a factor anymore. What impressed me most about the manticore is its ability to separate targets and identify each. I frequently see three targets under the same coil swing and can frequently/accurately identify what they are with one major exception…. I hate that dimes and pennies are almost impossible to tell apart on the manticore when my explorer SE does it with ease. Target separation is the strongest attribute to the manticore in my humble opinion.
Not to change the subject, but I do like how everything seems to be shifting from depth tp target ID. I think we have all pretty much accepted that the depth of current VLF technology has reached maximum. Now it is separation and target ID that take center stage. I like it. Saves me a lot of digging LOL.
 
Not to change the subject, but I do like how everything seems to be shifting from depth tp target ID. I think we have all pretty much accepted that the depth of current VLF technology has reached maximum. Now it is separation and target ID that take center stage. I like it. Saves me a lot of digging LOL.
Oddly enough I feel like target ID is getting worse when it comes to the dime/penny range. Everything else is gtg
 
I'm guilty of falling for all the advertisement and the hype of the latest and greatest. All the money I spent is ridiculous. I've owned over a dozen different detectors from all the leading manufacturers, Minelab, XP, Nokta, etc., but after buying and selling, after all these years I still have my customized Sovereign GT. That and my modified Excal that I used to have, found the best of my finds out of almost 50 years of being in the hobby. Some were OK, and some had interesting features, but I agree. Unless you have a through understanding of the machine, and had all the settings perfect, then you were actually reducing the performance.
To this day, if we have a storm that produces big waves on the east coast of Florida, I don't feel comfortable taking any other detector with me than the one that I know and trust the most, and that is still the Sovereign GT, because I know what it can do, and what I have found in the past.
Additionally, I don't have 20 settings that I have to verify. I just turn the detector on, maybe adjust a few knobs, and I'm off.
Instead of worrying about my settings, I'm enjoying myself and finding targets as deep as I care to dig, and very nice ones at least a foot deep. Plus, I don't dig as much little junk targets, can slaw, and bottle caps as I would using a different machine. So I agree totally from years of experience.
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I run a similar set-up.
I wish I had your experience on it.
Little brother sent it back from Alaska after Daddeo passed. I bought it for him thinking it might do good on gold nuggets. After getting it successfully ripping out both shoulder's I've only put maybe twenty hours on it.
 

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Agree to disagree. I like the Manticore, mostly because of the screen, but it is always a judgement call. Everyone says to only dig round objects on the center line, I have dug blobs, with jumpy numbers,, above the line only to find multiple coins, makes you wonder if the manticore was worth the price. It also has passed good targets (wheat cents) that could be seen with my eyeball, just because it was surrounded by nails. It has done this in both somewhat clean parks to trashy old home sites, newer coins and older coins, as well as the legend.
I personally do not believe any of these newer multi freq. machines are any better than what I was using 20 years ago, in fact they may be worse than what I was using, the only benefit is they are lighter.
Which coil were you using to miss copper in nails. ?
I chose the manticore for the screen. Hoping it has the old Explorer's magic.
The jury is still out on that one.
 
This is where the manticore has impressed me. Just to be clear for comparison sake, I have owned and used a Deus XP (first gen), Minelab Explorer SE, Nokta Anfibio, Fisher F75, Teknetics T2, CZ-5, Whites Spectrum XLT, Tesoro Cortes, Minelab Excalibur, and a Tesoro tiger shark (along with lower end models). The Explorer SE has routinely found targets at roughly 16” for me. I think we are at the point with detectors where depth is not really a factor anymore. What impressed me most about the manticore is its ability to separate targets and identify each. I frequently see three targets under the same coil swing and can frequently/accurately identify what they are with one major exception…. I hate that dimes and pennies are almost impossible to tell apart on the manticore when my explorer SE does it with ease. Target separation is the strongest attribute to the manticore in my humble opinion.
I chose the manticore for the screen. Hoping it has the old Explorer's magic. Jury is still out on that.
 
Man I gotta chime in boys. I have been a sovereign user for over 25 years. Have figure how to waterproof them fairly easily. Now I am not saying diving but in the waves and dunking the unit with no ill effects. Total investment maybe 300.00. Last summer everyone on the beach had the new magical manticore. Man they were leaving zinc pennies all over the place. I easily dug close to 300 in a few days. So I decide to buy one. Bad mistake for me. I got a simple mind and all this new tech is not for me. Fiddling and fuckin around with buttons and screens drove me crazy. This and that setting I couldn't take it anymore. Sold the damn thing off. Went back to my trusty Sov arsenal and couldn't be happier. Beep and dig no fussin about. As far as I am concerned Minelab should have continued with their BBS technology.. Simple and effective. I work in all-metal, hit a target check it in discriminate if there is any tone I dig. Works good for me. Just my personal opinion. God bless
This is a case of, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
 
This is a case of, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
I agree the BBS of the Sovereign was great and will say I use the SunRay meter, but by the tones alone plus the meter reading it ID like no other detector I have ever used. For me this was a turn and a go detector and dont have a lot of setting to adjust or mis adjust, just by slowing down your swing of the coil and listening to those tone.

Rick
 
Amen to that Rick! Just a lovely machine. I'm guessing up in north dakota you don't see much ocean? On the beach I can run max sensitivity and sniff out deep targets that boggle the mind. Quiet and deep what else can you ask for? We are getting a nor'easter in the next day or so. For us long islanders it's an opportunity to dig some good stuff........maybe. You know how it is. Bob
 
Amen to that Rick! Just a lovely machine. I'm guessing up in north dakota you don't see much ocean? On the beach I can run max sensitivity and sniff out deep targets that boggle the mind. Quiet and deep what else can you ask for? We are getting a nor'easter in the next day or so. For us long islanders it's an opportunity to dig some good stuff........maybe. You know how it is. Bob
I wish you luck as it sounds like you are a beach hunter. I have a friend on the treasure coast in Florida that spends his time down there in the winter, then back in Minn in the spring to do lnd detecting and water hunting in the spring and summer .
He keep talking about those storms and how he is able to find some great old finds and artifacts plus some nice older coins. He hates it when they bring in new sand after a storm as all the good stuff is not buried until the next storm.
Here in ND we don't do much if at all for water hunting as most lakes are used for fishing and not much beach to detect.

Rick
 
Which coil were you using to miss copper in nails. ?
I chose the manticore for the screen. Hoping it has the old Explorer's magic.
The jury is still out on that one.
stock coil 11 inch., even picked up coins and moved to new spot, it still would not read it, yet at other spots in same area if multiple coins are close by, all are hit, defective machine?
 
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